Doepfer

I've just about got the basic sound generation/modulation portion of
my synth completed, and now I need to start looking at subtraction. 
My gut instinct would tell me to get the A-120, but I remember reading
somewhere that the A-120 is fairly weak as far as filters go, and
there are others that can do the same effects and more.  For example,
you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter, or band pass filter.
 Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has all 3 combined where it's
more flexible?  Or are you better off buying the individual types of
filters one-by-one?  FYI I'm doing industrial music, so I guess a
primary use of the modular will be using really gritty sounding
saw-waves for bass lines, with the added bonus of being able to use
the modular as an effects processor for other sounds as well.  Of
course there's no limit on what I'm willing to do with it, if it
sounds good I'll use it.  :)

Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.  What exactly
constitutes a sub-oscillator?  I'm guessing this would be a resonance
filter, like what you find on a LPF.  There's an EMS Synthi clone from
Analogue Systems, Harvestman has the Polyvoks, and there's the
Livewire Dalek and Vulcan.  As far as I know these all pretty much do
the same type of thing, just with slightly different characteristics.
 Am I missing something, or does Doepfer not have any of these more
unique sounding modules?  What I've heard of these things on youtube
is pretty impressive... just curious what options there are.  Not that
I'm wanting to stray from Doepfer, so far everything in my rack is
Doepfer.  :)  I might at least pick up the EMS Synthi filter some day,
as I love what it does when you run drums through it.

I appreciate you all putting up with my noob questions, just remember
you were all where I am, at one time.  :)  I've learned so much about
sound and synthesis already, and I'm still a VCA short of having a
"fully-functional traditional synth".  Once that module comes in, I
think a lot of possibilities are going to open for me, so I really
need to start doing some homework and getting some advice/suggestions
on where to go next.  I've seen a lot of people who have huge modular
setups, and do nothing but set up modular sequencers and play with
sound generation, but I'm more interested in integrating the
old-school modular with the new-school DAW software (Logic in my
case), so I'm doing a lot of midi work.  My case is 6U, and from what
I gather, with probably about 1 row of modules you can pretty much
have the equivalent of a Minimoog, so that gives me another row to
just expand this thing and get some amazing sounds on top of what most
people would consider "normal".  :)

Having had the A-120, the A-121 and the Synthi Filter, I would take
the A-121. Further, for a small setup, perhaps a multimode filter (the
A-121)is most appropriate. I have not tried the Polivoks or the
Frequensteiner, unfortunately. Regarding great industrial sound, I
can't recommend the A-196 PLL enough. What a great module that is. But
I digress. 

Doug

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "techmaster242" <techmaster@...>
wrote:

>
> I've just about got the basic sound generation/modulation portion of
> my synth completed, and now I need to start looking at subtraction. 
> My gut instinct would tell me to get the A-120, but I remember reading
> somewhere that the A-120 is fairly weak as far as filters go, and
> there are others that can do the same effects and more.  For example,
> you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter, or band pass filter.
>  Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has all 3 combined where it's
> more flexible?  Or are you better off buying the individual types of
> filters one-by-one?  FYI I'm doing industrial music, so I guess a
> primary use of the modular will be using really gritty sounding
> saw-waves for bass lines, with the added bonus of being able to use
> the modular as an effects processor for other sounds as well.  Of
> course there's no limit on what I'm willing to do with it, if it
> sounds good I'll use it.  :)
> 
> Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.  What exactly
> constitutes a sub-oscillator?  I'm guessing this would be a resonance
> filter, like what you find on a LPF.  There's an EMS Synthi clone from
> Analogue Systems, Harvestman has the Polyvoks, and there's the
> Livewire Dalek and Vulcan.  As far as I know these all pretty much do
> the same type of thing, just with slightly different characteristics.
>  Am I missing something, or does Doepfer not have any of these more
> unique sounding modules?  What I've heard of these things on youtube
> is pretty impressive... just curious what options there are.  Not that
> I'm wanting to stray from Doepfer, so far everything in my rack is
> Doepfer.  :)  I might at least pick up the EMS Synthi filter some day,
> as I love what it does when you run drums through it.
> 
> I appreciate you all putting up with my noob questions, just remember
> you were all where I am, at one time.  :)  I've learned so much about
> sound and synthesis already, and I'm still a VCA short of having a
> "fully-functional traditional synth".  Once that module comes in, I
> think a lot of possibilities are going to open for me, so I really
> need to start doing some homework and getting some advice/suggestions
> on where to go next.  I've seen a lot of people who have huge modular
> setups, and do nothing but set up modular sequencers and play with
> sound generation, but I'm more interested in integrating the
> old-school modular with the new-school DAW software (Logic in my
> case), so I'm doing a lot of midi work.  My case is 6U, and from what
> I gather, with probably about 1 row of modules you can pretty much
> have the equivalent of a Minimoog, so that gives me another row to
> just expand this thing and get some amazing sounds on top of what most
> people would consider "normal".  :)
>

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "techmaster242" <techmaster@...> 
wrote:
>
> I've just about got the basic sound generation/modulation portion of
> my synth completed, and now I need to start looking at subtraction. 
> My gut instinct would tell me to get the A-120, but I remember 
reading
> somewhere that the A-120 is fairly weak as far as filters go, and
> there are others that can do the same effects and more.  For 
example,
> you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter, or band pass 
filter.
>  Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has all 3 combined where it's
> more flexible?  Or are you better off buying the individual types of
> filters one-by-one?  FYI I'm doing industrial music, so I guess a
> primary use of the modular will be using really gritty sounding
> saw-waves for bass lines, with the added bonus of being able to use
> the modular as an effects processor for other sounds as well.  Of
> course there's no limit on what I'm willing to do with it, if it
> sounds good I'll use it.  :)
> 

I have 9 different Doepfer filters and I do quite a lot something 
which could be characterized industrial. I'd recommend an A-124 WASP 
filter for you. For bass sounds I use frequently an A-122. Haven't 
tested it yet, but the new A-106-6 looks very promising.

In Your case my advice is that do NOT buy A-120.

All this is of course a matter of individual taste.

-Absent/Ysi/MK

From my personal point of view the new A-106-6 XP VCF offers the most
features at a reasonable price - provided that you like the XP filter sound.
You get 15 different filters (4 differens LPFs, 3 different HPFs, 4
different BPFs, notch and combinations of notch and LPF). For more unusual
and dirty sounds I'd recommend the Xtreme Filter A-106-1 or Wasp A-124.

Sub-oscillators are normally frequency dividers with symmetrical rectangle
outputs like the A-115 (fixed), A-163 (voltage controlled) or A-113 (four
programmable sub-oscillators).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> I've just about got the basic sound generation/modulation portion of
> my synth completed, and now I need to start looking at subtraction.
> My gut instinct would tell me to get the A-120, but I remember reading
> somewhere that the A-120 is fairly weak as far as filters go, and
> there are others that can do the same effects and more.  For example,
> you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter, or band pass filter.
>  Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has all 3 combined where it's
> more flexible?  Or are you better off buying the individual types of
> filters one-by-one?  FYI I'm doing industrial music, so I guess a
> primary use of the modular will be using really gritty sounding
> saw-waves for bass lines, with the added bonus of being able to use
> the modular as an effects processor for other sounds as well.  Of
> course there's no limit on what I'm willing to do with it, if it
> sounds good I'll use it.  :)
>
> Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.  What exactly
> constitutes a sub-oscillator?  I'm guessing this would be a resonance
> filter, like what you find on a LPF.  There's an EMS Synthi clone from
> Analogue Systems, Harvestman has the Polyvoks, and there's the
> Livewire Dalek and Vulcan.  As far as I know these all pretty much do
> the same type of thing, just with slightly different characteristics.
>  Am I missing something, or does Doepfer not have any of these more
> unique sounding modules?  What I've heard of these things on youtube
> is pretty impressive... just curious what options there are.  Not that
> I'm wanting to stray from Doepfer, so far everything in my rack is
> Doepfer.  :)  I might at least pick up the EMS Synthi filter some day,
> as I love what it does when you run drums through it.
>
> I appreciate you all putting up with my noob questions, just remember
> you were all where I am, at one time.  :)  I've learned so much about
> sound and synthesis already, and I'm still a VCA short of having a
> "fully-functional traditional synth".  Once that module comes in, I
> think a lot of possibilities are going to open for me, so I really
> need to start doing some homework and getting some advice/suggestions
> on where to go next.  I've seen a lot of people who have huge modular
> setups, and do nothing but set up modular sequencers and play with
> sound generation, but I'm more interested in integrating the
> old-school modular with the new-school DAW software (Logic in my
> case), so I'm doing a lot of midi work.  My case is 6U, and from what
> I gather, with probably about 1 row of modules you can pretty much
> have the equivalent of a Minimoog, so that gives me another row to
> just expand this thing and get some amazing sounds on top of what most
> people would consider "normal".  :)

Is the 106-6 basically a more improved version of the 121?  Or are
they completely different?

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:
>
> From my personal point of view the new A-106-6 XP VCF offers the most
> features at a reasonable price - provided that you like the XP
filter sound.
> You get 15 different filters (4 differens LPFs, 3 different HPFs, 4
> different BPFs, notch and combinations of notch and LPF). For more
unusual
> and dirty sounds I'd recommend the Xtreme Filter A-106-1 or Wasp A-124.
> 
> Sub-oscillators are normally frequency dividers with symmetrical
rectangle
> outputs like the A-115 (fixed), A-163 (voltage controlled) or A-113
(four

> programmable sub-oscillators).
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> > I've just about got the basic sound generation/modulation portion of
> > my synth completed, and now I need to start looking at subtraction.
> > My gut instinct would tell me to get the A-120, but I remember reading
> > somewhere that the A-120 is fairly weak as far as filters go, and
> > there are others that can do the same effects and more.  For example,
> > you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter, or band pass filter.
> >  Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has all 3 combined where it's
> > more flexible?  Or are you better off buying the individual types of
> > filters one-by-one?  FYI I'm doing industrial music, so I guess a
> > primary use of the modular will be using really gritty sounding
> > saw-waves for bass lines, with the added bonus of being able to use
> > the modular as an effects processor for other sounds as well.  Of
> > course there's no limit on what I'm willing to do with it, if it
> > sounds good I'll use it.  :)
> >
> > Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.  What exactly
> > constitutes a sub-oscillator?  I'm guessing this would be a resonance
> > filter, like what you find on a LPF.  There's an EMS Synthi clone from
> > Analogue Systems, Harvestman has the Polyvoks, and there's the
> > Livewire Dalek and Vulcan.  As far as I know these all pretty much do
> > the same type of thing, just with slightly different characteristics.
> >  Am I missing something, or does Doepfer not have any of these more
> > unique sounding modules?  What I've heard of these things on youtube
> > is pretty impressive... just curious what options there are.  Not that
> > I'm wanting to stray from Doepfer, so far everything in my rack is
> > Doepfer.  :)  I might at least pick up the EMS Synthi filter some day,
> > as I love what it does when you run drums through it.
> >
> > I appreciate you all putting up with my noob questions, just remember
> > you were all where I am, at one time.  :)  I've learned so much about
> > sound and synthesis already, and I'm still a VCA short of having a
> > "fully-functional traditional synth".  Once that module comes in, I
> > think a lot of possibilities are going to open for me, so I really
> > need to start doing some homework and getting some advice/suggestions
> > on where to go next.  I've seen a lot of people who have huge modular
> > setups, and do nothing but set up modular sequencers and play with
> > sound generation, but I'm more interested in integrating the
> > old-school modular with the new-school DAW software (Logic in my
> > case), so I'm doing a lot of midi work.  My case is 6U, and from what
> > I gather, with probably about 1 row of modules you can pretty much
> > have the equivalent of a Minimoog, so that gives me another row to
> > just expand this thing and get some amazing sounds on top of what most
> > people would consider "normal".  :)
>

On 8/7/08 12:44 PM, "techmaster242" <techmaster@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is the 106-6 basically a more improved version of the 121?  Or are
> they completely different?

it's a simplified version of the a-107:
http://www.doepfer.de/a1066.htm

> Is the 106-6 basically a more improved version of the 121?  Or are
> they completely different?

The basic principles are different. The A-121 is a state variable filter (an
analog realized oszillation differential equation below self resonance), the
A-106-6 is basically the usual 4 stage CEM-OTA based 24dB low pass with the
additional XP circuit. This circuit derives from the 4 stages of the 24 dB
low pass the other filter types by addition/subtraction. One can get a lot
of different filters by using the 6, 12, 18 and 24 dB output of a filter and
add/subtract the four signals with certain levels.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

I also love industrial music...here's my thoughts:

I own the AS-500E (EMS Synthi Clone) that you mentioned. it is 
AWESOME!!! it's a diode filter.

Doepfer also do a Doide filter called A-102...and i think it's their 
BEST filter...really unique and awesome sound - LOVE IT!
it can be warm and juicy or cold and harsh....it's got the wildest 
RES on it! ...and it's one of thier cheapest filters.

A-120 is not my favourite...it's a little plain.


> For example, you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter
> or band pass filter.  Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has
> all 3 combined where it's

A-124 WASP filter is a 3 in one...and it's also brilliant. very harsh 
and distinctive sound.


> Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.

the A-115 is kind-of a sub oscillator...it gives you several "sub 
octives" to fatten the sound up. it's inexpensive and very useful.

we have a few YouTube thingies that use heaps of Doepfer stuff:
http://www.angelspit.net/blipvert/

Doepfer stuff is BRILLIANT for modulating and doing "tricky stuff"...!

ROCK!

ZooG.

Anyone selling or would consider selling an MS-404?

:)

My first filter was the A108, which is basically the deluxe version of the
A120, not the cheapest one but a beatiful filter.My favourite filter however
is the A102, got 2 of those.
And I really love the Wasp filter.

I have more but these are my top selection.



On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM, zoog_angelspit
<zoog_angelspit@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

>   I also love industrial music...here's my thoughts:
>
> I own the AS-500E (EMS Synthi Clone) that you mentioned. it is
> AWESOME!!! it's a diode filter.
>
> Doepfer also do a Doide filter called A-102...and i think it's their
> BEST filter...really unique and awesome sound - LOVE IT!
> it can be warm and juicy or cold and harsh....it's got the wildest
> RES on it! ...and it's one of thier cheapest filters.
>
> A-120 is not my favourite...it's a little plain.
>
>
> > For example, you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter
> > or band pass filter. Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has
> > all 3 combined where it's
>
> A-124 WASP filter is a 3 in one...and it's also brilliant. very harsh
> and distinctive sound.
>
> > Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.
>
> the A-115 is kind-of a sub oscillator...it gives you several "sub
> octives" to fatten the sound up. it's inexpensive and very useful.
>
> we have a few YouTube thingies that use heaps of Doepfer stuff:
> http://www.angelspit.net/blipvert/
>
> Doepfer stuff is BRILLIANT for modulating and doing "tricky stuff"...!
>
> ROCK!
>
> ZooG.
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Zoog, I know exactly who you are, that's how I found out about the EMS
Synthi, is from you.  I'm a huge fan, and you're actually the one who
convinced me to take the plunge into the A-100.  :)  Love your new
album, it's way more musical than the first two, but it's an
interesting direction for you to take your music.  Huge change from
the cold, dark percussion-heavy stuff you've done in the past, which I
loved as well.  I've always been somewhat hesitant to jump into
modulars, because they're tedious, inconsistant, and even primitive
when compared to something like, say, the Access Virus.  But, what
they lack in technology, they make up for in warmth and flexibility. 
I love how you use your modular not only as an instrument, but as your
effects unit as well.  I've also been blown away by what Bryan of
Velvet Acid Christ has done with his modular stuff.  It's a nice
change from the usual bleepy stuff some groups do, and the two of you
have shown me that these things can be integrated into a good DAW
setup with amazing results.  My first module was the A-137, that
should tell you something.  So I definitely plan on getting the EMS
Synthi filter, just trying to figure out what else.  Bryan (VAC) has
gotten some neat sounds out of Harvestman, so that might be worth
checking out.  But, I appreciate your suggestions, and I'll put the
102, 106-6, 115, and 124 on my short list for sure.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "zoog_angelspit"
<zoog_angelspit@...> wrote:

>
> I also love industrial music...here's my thoughts:
> 
> I own the AS-500E (EMS Synthi Clone) that you mentioned. it is 
> AWESOME!!! it's a diode filter.
> 
> Doepfer also do a Doide filter called A-102...and i think it's their 
> BEST filter...really unique and awesome sound - LOVE IT!
> it can be warm and juicy or cold and harsh....it's got the wildest 
> RES on it! ...and it's one of thier cheapest filters.
> 
> A-120 is not my favourite...it's a little plain.
> 
> 
> > For example, you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter
> > or band pass filter.  Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has
> > all 3 combined where it's
> 
> A-124 WASP filter is a 3 in one...and it's also brilliant. very harsh 
> and distinctive sound.
> 
> 
> > Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.
> 
> the A-115 is kind-of a sub oscillator...it gives you several "sub 
> octives" to fatten the sound up. it's inexpensive and very useful.
> 
> we have a few YouTube thingies that use heaps of Doepfer stuff:
> http://www.angelspit.net/blipvert/
> 
> Doepfer stuff is BRILLIANT for modulating and doing "tricky stuff"...!
> 
> ROCK!
> 
> ZooG.
>

From what I can tell, the 102 is basically identical to the 120 in
functionality, obviously the main difference is 102 is diode, and 120
is moog style.  What's the difference sonically?  Is the 102 harsher
sounding?  It does more drastic things to the sound than the moog style?

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, achtung_999
<heinrich.himmelwasser@...> wrote:
>
> My first filter was the A108, which is basically the deluxe version
of the
> A120, not the cheapest one but a beatiful filter.My favourite filter
however

> is the A102, got 2 of those.
> And I really love the Wasp filter.
> 
> I have more but these are my top selection.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM, zoog_angelspit
> <zoog_angelspit@...>wrote:
> 
> >   I also love industrial music...here's my thoughts:
> >
> > I own the AS-500E (EMS Synthi Clone) that you mentioned. it is
> > AWESOME!!! it's a diode filter.
> >
> > Doepfer also do a Doide filter called A-102...and i think it's their
> > BEST filter...really unique and awesome sound - LOVE IT!
> > it can be warm and juicy or cold and harsh....it's got the wildest
> > RES on it! ...and it's one of thier cheapest filters.
> >
> > A-120 is not my favourite...it's a little plain.
> >
> >
> > > For example, you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter
> > > or band pass filter. Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has
> > > all 3 combined where it's
> >
> > A-124 WASP filter is a 3 in one...and it's also brilliant. very harsh
> > and distinctive sound.
> >
> > > Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.
> >
> > the A-115 is kind-of a sub oscillator...it gives you several "sub
> > octives" to fatten the sound up. it's inexpensive and very useful.
> >
> > we have a few YouTube thingies that use heaps of Doepfer stuff:
> > http://www.angelspit.net/blipvert/
> >
> > Doepfer stuff is BRILLIANT for modulating and doing "tricky stuff"...!
> >
> > ROCK!
> >
> > ZooG.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Do you generally patch a filter in after you bring all of your stuff
down to one signal?  Like after the VCA and mixer?

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, achtung_999
<heinrich.himmelwasser@...> wrote:
>
> It may seem identical. But believe me they are 2 completly different
beasts.
> The 120 is an extremely polite moog style filter. (I own it but
don't really
> like it, bought it very cheap 2nd hand)The politeness is accentuated
by the
> fact that my 120 has a very low output level compared to the other
Doepfer
> filters I own. --Question to others: is that also with your A120
filters?--
> (If you want a moog style filter I defiantely recommend the A108, again,
> can't stress it too much)
> 
> The 102 comes quite close to the EMS VCS3 filter. Dirt galore to the
max!
> To say that it is more drastic is a bit of an understatement. ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM, techmaster242 <techmaster@...>wrote:
> 
> >   From what I can tell, the 102 is basically identical to the 120 in
> > functionality, obviously the main difference is 102 is diode, and 120
> > is moog style. What's the difference sonically? Is the 102 harsher
> > sounding? It does more drastic things to the sound than the moog
style?
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > achtung_999
> >
> > <heinrich.himmelwasser@> wrote:
> > >
> > > My first filter was the A108, which is basically the deluxe version
> > of the
> > > A120, not the cheapest one but a beatiful filter.My favourite filter
> > however
> > > is the A102, got 2 of those.
> > > And I really love the Wasp filter.
> > >
> > > I have more but these are my top selection.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM, zoog_angelspit
> > > <zoog_angelspit@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I also love industrial music...here's my thoughts:
> > > >
> > > > I own the AS-500E (EMS Synthi Clone) that you mentioned. it is
> > > > AWESOME!!! it's a diode filter.
> > > >
> > > > Doepfer also do a Doide filter called A-102...and i think it's
their
> > > > BEST filter...really unique and awesome sound - LOVE IT!
> > > > it can be warm and juicy or cold and harsh....it's got the wildest
> > > > RES on it! ...and it's one of thier cheapest filters.
> > > >
> > > > A-120 is not my favourite...it's a little plain.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > For example, you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter
> > > > > or band pass filter. Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has
> > > > > all 3 combined where it's
> > > >
> > > > A-124 WASP filter is a 3 in one...and it's also brilliant.
very harsh
> > > > and distinctive sound.
> > > >
> > > > > Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.
> > > >
> > > > the A-115 is kind-of a sub oscillator...it gives you several "sub
> > > > octives" to fatten the sound up. it's inexpensive and very useful.
> > > >
> > > > we have a few YouTube thingies that use heaps of Doepfer stuff:
> > > > http://www.angelspit.net/blipvert/
> > > >
> > > > Doepfer stuff is BRILLIANT for modulating and doing "tricky
stuff"...!

> > > >
> > > > ROCK!
> > > >
> > > > ZooG.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

It may seem identical. But believe me they are 2 completly different beasts.
The 120 is an extremely polite moog style filter. (I own it but don't really
like it, bought it very cheap 2nd hand)The politeness is accentuated by the
fact that my 120 has a very low output level compared to the other Doepfer
filters I own. --Question to others: is that also with your A120 filters?--
(If you want a moog style filter I defiantely recommend the A108, again,
can't stress it too much)

The 102 comes quite close to the EMS VCS3 filter. Dirt galore to the max!
To say that it is more drastic is a bit of an understatement. ;-)








On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM, techmaster242 <techmaster@gmail.com>wrote:

>   From what I can tell, the 102 is basically identical to the 120 in
> functionality, obviously the main difference is 102 is diode, and 120
> is moog style. What's the difference sonically? Is the 102 harsher
> sounding? It does more drastic things to the sound than the moog style?
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> achtung_999
>
> <heinrich.himmelwasser@...> wrote:
> >
> > My first filter was the A108, which is basically the deluxe version
> of the
> > A120, not the cheapest one but a beatiful filter.My favourite filter
> however
> > is the A102, got 2 of those.
> > And I really love the Wasp filter.
> >
> > I have more but these are my top selection.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM, zoog_angelspit
> > <zoog_angelspit@...>wrote:
> >
> > > I also love industrial music...here's my thoughts:
> > >
> > > I own the AS-500E (EMS Synthi Clone) that you mentioned. it is
> > > AWESOME!!! it's a diode filter.
> > >
> > > Doepfer also do a Doide filter called A-102...and i think it's their
> > > BEST filter...really unique and awesome sound - LOVE IT!
> > > it can be warm and juicy or cold and harsh....it's got the wildest
> > > RES on it! ...and it's one of thier cheapest filters.
> > >
> > > A-120 is not my favourite...it's a little plain.
> > >
> > >
> > > > For example, you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter
> > > > or band pass filter. Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has
> > > > all 3 combined where it's
> > >
> > > A-124 WASP filter is a 3 in one...and it's also brilliant. very harsh
> > > and distinctive sound.
> > >
> > > > Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.
> > >
> > > the A-115 is kind-of a sub oscillator...it gives you several "sub
> > > octives" to fatten the sound up. it's inexpensive and very useful.
> > >
> > > we have a few YouTube thingies that use heaps of Doepfer stuff:
> > > http://www.angelspit.net/blipvert/
> > >
> > > Doepfer stuff is BRILLIANT for modulating and doing "tricky stuff"...!
> > >
> > > ROCK!
> > >
> > > ZooG.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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Oh that depends. I don't make 'pop' music. I do electro-acoustic stuff and
improvised stuff with the A100. For me there is no one way of working.Although
the audio engineer in me prefers to put the filters before the VCAs..
Not having one specific way of working is what I consider the true luxery of
working with modular systems





On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:46 AM, techmaster242 <techmaster@gmail.com>wrote:

>   Do you generally patch a filter in after you bring all of your stuff
> down to one signal? Like after the VCA and mixer?
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> achtung_999
> <heinrich.himmelwasser@...> wrote:
> >
> > It may seem identical. But believe me they are 2 completly different
> beasts.
> > The 120 is an extremely polite moog style filter. (I own it but
> don't really
> > like it, bought it very cheap 2nd hand)The politeness is accentuated
> by the
> > fact that my 120 has a very low output level compared to the other
> Doepfer
> > filters I own. --Question to others: is that also with your A120
> filters?--
> > (If you want a moog style filter I defiantely recommend the A108, again,
> > can't stress it too much)
> >
> > The 102 comes quite close to the EMS VCS3 filter. Dirt galore to the
> max!
> > To say that it is more drastic is a bit of an understatement. ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM, techmaster242 <techmaster@...>wrote:
> >
> > > From what I can tell, the 102 is basically identical to the 120 in
> > > functionality, obviously the main difference is 102 is diode, and 120
> > > is moog style. What's the difference sonically? Is the 102 harsher
> > > sounding? It does more drastic things to the sound than the moog
> style?
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com><Doepfer_a100%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>
> > > achtung_999
> > >
> > > <heinrich.himmelwasser@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My first filter was the A108, which is basically the deluxe version
> > > of the
> > > > A120, not the cheapest one but a beatiful filter.My favourite filter
> > > however
> > > > is the A102, got 2 of those.
> > > > And I really love the Wasp filter.
> > > >
> > > > I have more but these are my top selection.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM, zoog_angelspit
> > > > <zoog_angelspit@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I also love industrial music...here's my thoughts:
> > > > >
> > > > > I own the AS-500E (EMS Synthi Clone) that you mentioned. it is
> > > > > AWESOME!!! it's a diode filter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doepfer also do a Doide filter called A-102...and i think it's
> their
> > > > > BEST filter...really unique and awesome sound - LOVE IT!
> > > > > it can be warm and juicy or cold and harsh....it's got the wildest
> > > > > RES on it! ...and it's one of thier cheapest filters.
> > > > >
> > > > > A-120 is not my favourite...it's a little plain.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > For example, you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter
> > > > > > or band pass filter. Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has
> > > > > > all 3 combined where it's
> > > > >
> > > > > A-124 WASP filter is a 3 in one...and it's also brilliant.
> very harsh
> > > > > and distinctive sound.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > the A-115 is kind-of a sub oscillator...it gives you several "sub
> > > > > octives" to fatten the sound up. it's inexpensive and very useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > we have a few YouTube thingies that use heaps of Doepfer stuff:
> > > > > http://www.angelspit.net/blipvert/
> > > > >
> > > > > Doepfer stuff is BRILLIANT for modulating and doing "tricky
> stuff"...!
> > > > >
> > > > > ROCK!
> > > > >
> > > > > ZooG.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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> It may seem identical. But believe me they are 2 completly
> different beasts.
> The 120 is an extremely polite moog style filter. (I own it but
> don't really
> like it, bought it very cheap 2nd hand)The politeness is
> accentuated by the
> fact that my 120 has a very low output level compared to the other Doepfer
> filters I own. --Question to others: is that also with your A120
> filters?--
> (If you want a moog style filter I defiantely recommend the A108, again,
> can't stress it too much)

The A-120 was the first filter of the A-100 and has been developed ~ 1994.
At this time we stilled payed attention the in/outputs do not distort. In
the course of time the liking of the users changed and they want to have all
possibilities including distortion and higher levels. A simple solution is
to reduce the resistor R15/22k to a lower value to obtain higher levels and
distortion. R15 is located just behind the Audio Level control below the
capacitor C1/10u.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Dieter,

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:56 AM,  <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:
> possibilities including distortion and higher levels. A simple solution is
> to reduce the resistor R15/22k to a lower value to obtain higher levels and
> distortion. R15 is located just behind the Audio Level control below the
> capacitor C1/10u.
I could see myself doing this mod, but as I'm new to DIY I have to ask
what would be a reasonable new value? Or how low can I go without
risking damage to the module?

Kind regards,
Silas

> Dieter,
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:56 AM,  <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:
> > possibilities including distortion and higher levels. A simple
> solution is
> > to reduce the resistor R15/22k to a lower value to obtain
> higher levels and
> > distortion. R15 is located just behind the Audio Level control below the
> > capacitor C1/10u.
> I could see myself doing this mod, but as I'm new to DIY I have to ask
> what would be a reasonable new value? Or how low can I go without
> risking damage to the module?
>
> Kind regards,
> Silas

There is no risk to damage the module even if you short the resistor(unless
you connect it to mains voltage or similar :-)

I'd recommend a value in the range 10k (~ doubles the max. level) to 2k2 (~
max. level x10).

Good luck
Dieter Doepfer

btw: it's not necessary to remove the existing 22k resistor. Simply connect
the new resistor in parallel to the 22k type on the bottom of the pcb.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:01 AM,  <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:

> There is no risk to damage the module even if you short the resistor(unless
> you connect it to mains voltage or similar :-)
>
> I'd recommend a value in the range 10k (~ doubles the max. level) to 2k2 (~
> max. level x10).

Thank you for the prompt reply :)

I'll see what I can find in that range and solder it up tonight. I'm
tempted to see if I can find room for a switch in the face plate too
and solder that and a smaller resistor in parallel with R15 - that
should give me the option of going back to the normal gain range if I
need to.

Cheers,
Silas

> Thank you for the prompt reply :)
>
> I'll see what I can find in that range and solder it up tonight. I'm
> tempted to see if I can find room for a switch in the face plate too
> and solder that and a smaller resistor in parallel with R15 - that
> should give me the option of going back to the normal gain range if I
> need to.
>
> Cheers,
> Silas

I don't think that this is necessary as you have an attenuator at the audio
input that can be used to reduce the level to the desired value even after
the modification.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

guys; does anyone feel like sharing some links to some songs /tracks/ 
demo's that incorporate A-100 modulars?

Just trying to get a feel for what's out there at the moment.

stuff like gusgus's forever's use of filters etc


If any1 has anything they've seen and would like to share links; feel  
free to reply below :O

Cheers




--->

Try youtube. Search on Doepfer. 
>
> 
> guys; does anyone feel like sharing some links to some 
songs /tracks/ 
> demo's that incorporate A-100 modulars?
>

you mean you do not know of artists that use the A100 in their music?    ;-)
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Chidra_100@iinet.net.au <ChidrA_100@iinet.net.au> wrote:

From: Chidra_100@iinet.net.au <ChidrA_100@iinet.net.au>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Modulars in action
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 4:53 PM







guys; does anyone feel like sharing some links to some songs /tracks/ 
demo's that incorporate A-100 modulars?

Just trying to get a feel for what's out there at the moment.

stuff like gusgus's forever's use of filters etc

If any1 has anything they've seen and would like to share links; feel 
free to reply below :O

Cheers

--->
 














      

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Hi 

I would like to find a eurorack or even guitar pedal format VC controlled digital delay. This is what i would like: VC control over delay time, mix and feedback. a looping capabilty. something like 4 seconds (??) delay time. Doesn't need to be 16 bit or anything 8 bit would be fine :) Anyone know of such a thing? 

Richard



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Oh but i do :)

I've just always found hidden gems from word of mouth in the past (and  
you always wonder why you never heard of them before.)

So i was compelled to ask, and i find myself wondering why the hell i  
hadn't seen your myspace before.

But i have passed your website previously, and i couldn't remember the  
address.

question answered

:)

love detailed matter

Thanks

Michael

On 12/08/2008, at 1:16 AM, Bakis Sirros wrote:

> you mean you do not know of artists that use the A100 in their  
> music?    ;-)
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Chidra_100@iinet.net.au  
> <ChidrA_100@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> From: Chidra_100@iinet.net.au <ChidrA_100@iinet.net.au>
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Modulars in action
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 4:53 PM
>
> guys; does anyone feel like sharing some links to some songs /tracks/
> demo's that incorporate A-100 modulars?
>
> Just trying to get a feel for what's out there at the moment.
>
> stuff like gusgus's forever's use of filters etc
>
> If any1 has anything they've seen and would like to share links; feel
> free to reply below :O
>
> Cheers
>
> --->
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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:-) there are no rules what is wrong or right. A modular is an open system. I am using an 
A100 and REAKTOR parallel. Think different. Try out any connection and you will discover 
interesting new sounds.You are at the beginning. Try out some patches with only a few 
modules. Change the patch to a very different sound. Then think about a combination of 
these sounds. That's interesting patching. You will know which newer modules you need 
to combine these sounds. 
Filters are only one of several possibilities to get interesting sounds but a filter can put out 
the original sound as maximum (without distortion). So the main point is to have an 
interesting input signal for the filters. Interesting sound you get f.i. by hard 
synchronisation of two oscillators which are modulated by an ADSR at PM input (A111).

ciao herw and happy patching


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "techmaster242" <techmaster@...> wrote:

>
> Do you generally patch a filter in after you bring all of your stuff
> down to one signal?  Like after the VCA and mixer?
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, achtung_999
> <heinrich.himmelwasser@> wrote:
> >
> > It may seem identical. But believe me they are 2 completly different
> beasts.
> > The 120 is an extremely polite moog style filter. (I own it but
> don't really
> > like it, bought it very cheap 2nd hand)The politeness is accentuated
> by the
> > fact that my 120 has a very low output level compared to the other
> Doepfer
> > filters I own. --Question to others: is that also with your A120
> filters?--
> > (If you want a moog style filter I defiantely recommend the A108, again,
> > can't stress it too much)
> > 
> > The 102 comes quite close to the EMS VCS3 filter. Dirt galore to the
> max!
> > To say that it is more drastic is a bit of an understatement. ;-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:32 PM, techmaster242 <techmaster@>wrote:
> > 
> > >   From what I can tell, the 102 is basically identical to the 120 in
> > > functionality, obviously the main difference is 102 is diode, and 120
> > > is moog style. What's the difference sonically? Is the 102 harsher
> > > sounding? It does more drastic things to the sound than the moog
> style?
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > achtung_999
> > >
> > > <heinrich.himmelwasser@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My first filter was the A108, which is basically the deluxe version
> > > of the
> > > > A120, not the cheapest one but a beatiful filter.My favourite filter
> > > however
> > > > is the A102, got 2 of those.
> > > > And I really love the Wasp filter.
> > > >
> > > > I have more but these are my top selection.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 2:20 PM, zoog_angelspit
> > > > <zoog_angelspit@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I also love industrial music...here's my thoughts:
> > > > >
> > > > > I own the AS-500E (EMS Synthi Clone) that you mentioned. it is
> > > > > AWESOME!!! it's a diode filter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doepfer also do a Doide filter called A-102...and i think it's
> their
> > > > > BEST filter...really unique and awesome sound - LOVE IT!
> > > > > it can be warm and juicy or cold and harsh....it's got the wildest
> > > > > RES on it! ...and it's one of thier cheapest filters.
> > > > >
> > > > > A-120 is not my favourite...it's a little plain.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > For example, you can get a low pass filter, high pass filter
> > > > > > or band pass filter. Is there a Doepfer module that maybe has
> > > > > > all 3 combined where it's
> > > > >
> > > > > A-124 WASP filter is a 3 in one...and it's also brilliant.
> very harsh
> > > > > and distinctive sound.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Also, I've heard mention of "sub-oscillators" somewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > the A-115 is kind-of a sub oscillator...it gives you several "sub
> > > > > octives" to fatten the sound up. it's inexpensive and very useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > we have a few YouTube thingies that use heaps of Doepfer stuff:
> > > > > http://www.angelspit.net/blipvert/
> > > > >
> > > > > Doepfer stuff is BRILLIANT for modulating and doing "tricky
> stuff"...!
> > > > >
> > > > > ROCK!
> > > > >
> > > > > ZooG.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Here are a few:

The AS VC Delay/Sampler:
http://www.bigcitymusic.com/product.asp?cat=new&pid=1000235

Tip Top Audio z5000
http://www.analoguehaven.com/tiptopaudio/z5000/

A foot pedal from Synthmonger:
http://filters.muziq.be/model/synthmonger/vcdelay

The Harvestman:
http://www.theharvestman.org/1973.php

Soon to be Plan-B
http://www.ear-group.net/model_27.html

Also you can always try and turn a off the shelf non-voltage  
controlled delay into one with a Doepfer A-101-9 universal Vactrol  
module: http://www.analoguehaven.com/doepfer/a101-9/
-James

On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:08 PM, Richard Scott wrote:

> Hi
>
> I would like to find a eurorack or even guitar pedal format VC  
> controlled digital delay. This is what i would like: VC control  
> over delay time, mix and feedback. a looping capabilty. something  
> like 4 seconds (??) delay time. Doesn't need to be 16 bit or  
> anything 8 bit would be fine :) Anyone know of such a thing?
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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>
>
>

Forgot to add - if looping is what you are after - the site you need  
to scan is Loopersdelight.com - here is their "tools of the trade"  
page: http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html

Lots of great boxes there that if they are not Voltage controlled,  
they have pedals or have a knob you can probably Vactorl-ize. Good luck!

-James

On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:08 PM, Richard Scott wrote:

> Hi
>
> I would like to find a eurorack or even guitar pedal format VC  
> controlled digital delay. This is what i would like: VC control  
> over delay time, mix and feedback. a looping capabilty. something  
> like 4 seconds (??) delay time. Doesn't need to be 16 bit or  
> anything 8 bit would be fine :) Anyone know of such a thing?
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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>
>

> Forgot to add - if looping is what you are after - the site you need
> to scan is Loopersdelight.com - here is their "tools of the trade"
> page: http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html
>
> Lots of great boxes there that if they are not Voltage controlled,
> they have pedals or have a knob you can probably Vactorl-ize. Good luck!
>
> -James

The A-189-2 is probably the next derivate of the universal AD/DA system. It
will be probably a voltage controlled digital delay with VC feedback and
additional VCF. The internal structure will be similar to the BBD module
A-188-1 (i.e. an high speed VCO that generates the clock for the digital
delay circuit and a digital delay instead of the BBD). The memory length of
the delay will be probably switcheable in 16 steps between 128 bytes (for
flanger/Karplus Strong) and some Mbytes (for long delays in the range > 10
seconds).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

good news Dieter. Can I suggest adding VC controlled mix to that module? along with VC delay length and VC feedback it would make for a very complex unit. I am using these three modulations in midi form with a digital unit and it is very interesting.  I think the memory length switch will work will because it restricts the VC control to a defined area without having to fiddle around scaling the voltage to achieve the same thing - the vesta kaza dig420 I bought off florian works like this and it is very practical - this also has a button which instantly captures whatever is currently in the memory as a loop, which is very nice to be able to do on the fly

are you looking at a modern high quality sound or something more like a dirty 8 bit?

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: hardware@doepfer.de 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:49 AM
  Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] VC controlled delay


  > Forgot to add - if looping is what you are after - the site you need
  > to scan is Loopersdelight.com - here is their "tools of the trade"
  > page: http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html
  >
  > Lots of great boxes there that if they are not Voltage controlled,
  > they have pedals or have a knob you can probably Vactorl-ize. Good luck!
  >
  > -James

  The A-189-2 is probably the next derivate of the universal AD/DA system. It
  will be probably a voltage controlled digital delay with VC feedback and
  additional VCF. The internal structure will be similar to the BBD module
  A-188-1 (i.e. an high speed VCO that generates the clock for the digital
  delay circuit and a digital delay instead of the BBD). The memory length of
  the delay will be probably switcheable in 16 steps between 128 bytes (for
  flanger/Karplus Strong) and some Mbytes (for long delays in the range > 10
  seconds).

  Best wishes
  Dieter Doepfer



   

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that sounds great Dieter!
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

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From: hardware@doepfer.de <hardware@doepfer.de>
Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] VC controlled delay
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:49 AM






> Forgot to add - if looping is what you are after - the site you need
> to scan is Loopersdelight. com - here is their "tools of the trade"
> page: http://www.loopersd elight.com/ tools/tools. html
>
> Lots of great boxes there that if they are not Voltage controlled,
> they have pedals or have a knob you can probably Vactorl-ize. Good luck!
>
> -James

The A-189-2 is probably the next derivate of the universal AD/DA system. It
will be probably a voltage controlled digital delay with VC feedback and
additional VCF. The internal structure will be similar to the BBD module
A-188-1 (i.e. an high speed VCO that generates the clock for the digital
delay circuit and a digital delay instead of the BBD). The memory length of
the delay will be probably switcheable in 16 steps between 128 bytes (for
flanger/Karplus Strong) and some Mbytes (for long delays in the range > 10
seconds).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

 














      

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On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Richard Scott
<richard_scott@rwnc.co.uk> wrote:
> good news Dieter. Can I suggest adding VC controlled mix to that module?
Please don't - this would drive up the cost and probably also increase
panel size. And VC mix can easily be achived with a pan/fade module
(or if you can live with the original signal being of constant volume
(which would probably often be preferable) it can be done with any VCA
and a mixer).

>  this
> also has a button which instantly captures whatever is currently in the
> memory as a loop, which is very nice to be able to do on the fly
Now that, to me, sounds much more interesting :)

/Silas

THAT would be nice. For me (from 8/12/16bit) the 12bit would be 
optimal but I'd buy the 8bit version but propably would not buy the 
16bit version.

-Absent/Ysi/MK

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
>
> i would prefer a 16bit vc delay module with a cv input and knob for 
changing Bit Depth (from 16bits to 2 bits or something...)
> so, you can have everything (and changing in realtime if required) 
from super clear to super 'dirty' delays.
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
> 
> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@...> wrote:
> 
> From: Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@...>
> Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] VC controlled delay
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 2:09 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Dieter
> 
> > We are not yet sure. 8 bit would be much cheaper as the internal 
ADC of the
> > microcontroller could be used. 12 bit or more would increase the 
price as an

> > external ADC has to be used. 
> The 8Bit Version is soundwise the more interesting version. 12Bit 
> wouldn't be "neither fish nor meat". If there should be a higher AD 
> resolution, 16Bit would be requrired.
> 
> To my opinion a 12Bit or 16Bit Delay is not required.
> 
> Florian
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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>

> are you looking at a modern high quality sound or something more
> like a dirty 8 bit?

We are not yet sure. 8 bit would be much cheaper as the internal ADC of the
microcontroller could be used. 12 bit or more would increase the price as an
external ADC has to be used. We will probably start with a low-cost 8 bit
version (probably in the Euro 100 range) and add a version with higher
resolution if there are sufficient inquiries. We discovered that there is
much more interest in low-cost modules compared to high-end and consequently
more expensive modules (like morphing filter A-107, Vocoder system A-129,
high-end VCO A-111, 48dB VCF A-108, subharmonic oscillator A-113, tapped BBD
A-188-2 or vactrol phaser A-101-3).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> >  this also has a button which instantly captures whatever is currently
in the
> > memory as a loop, which is very nice to be able to do on the fly
> Now that, to me, sounds much more interesting :)

This feature will be available in any case, even in combination with a one
shot mode with trigger input so that the sound recorded in the delay memory
can be used like a sample (but no midi dump or battery buffered memory like
the A-112, the module is planned as a delay in the first place).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

"We discovered that there is
much more interest in low-cost modules compared to high-end"

I could have told you that! almost nobody is earning much from electronic music these days :) 

also if i want to spend a lot of money on hi end delay I wouldn't need it it to be in the middle of a modular setup and i would get an eventide, in fact I already have two of those. But my requirements for a modular are different, for me the lofi delays with an absolute maximum of CV are the most interesting sonically, regardless of cost

the module sounds great and the price too. It makes me think of buying two

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: hardware@doepfer.de 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:15 PM
  Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] VC controlled delay


  > > this also has a button which instantly captures whatever is currently
  in the
  > > memory as a loop, which is very nice to be able to do on the fly
  > Now that, to me, sounds much more interesting :)

  This feature will be available in any case, even in combination with a one
  shot mode with trigger input so that the sound recorded in the delay memory
  can be used like a sample (but no midi dump or battery buffered memory like
  the A-112, the module is planned as a delay in the first place).

  Best wishes
  Dieter Doepfer



   

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Hi Dieter

> We are not yet sure. 8 bit would be much cheaper as the internal ADC of the
> microcontroller could be used. 12 bit or more would increase the price as an
> external ADC has to be used. 
The 8Bit Version is soundwise the more interesting version. 12Bit 
wouldn't be "neither fish nor meat". If there should be a higher AD 
resolution, 16Bit would be requrired.

To my opinion a 12Bit or 16Bit Delay is not required.


Florian

i would prefer a 16bit vc delay module with a cv input and knob for changing Bit Depth (from 16bits to 2 bits or something...)
so, you can have everything (and changing in realtime if required) from super clear to super 'dirty' delays.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de> wrote:

From: Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] VC controlled delay
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 2:09 PM






Hi Dieter

> We are not yet sure. 8 bit would be much cheaper as the internal ADC of the
> microcontroller could be used. 12 bit or more would increase the price as an
> external ADC has to be used. 
The 8Bit Version is soundwise the more interesting version. 12Bit 
wouldn't be "neither fish nor meat". If there should be a higher AD 
resolution, 16Bit would be requrired.

To my opinion a 12Bit or 16Bit Delay is not required.

Florian
 














      

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i agree a 16 bit delay with modulateable bit depth would be great but as a hi end version - not to replace the idea a cheaper module

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bakis Sirros 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] VC controlled delay


  i would prefer a 16bit vc delay module with a cv input and knob for changing Bit Depth (from 16bits to 2 bits or something...)
  so, you can have everything (and changing in realtime if required) from super clear to super 'dirty' delays.

  Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
  [Doepfer_a100] group owner
  www. parallel - worlds - music. com
  www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
  www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
  www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
  www. DiN. org. uk
  www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
  www. shimarecords. co. uk
  www. rubberrecords. gr
  Athens - Greece

  --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de> wrote:

  From: Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
  Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] VC controlled delay
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
  Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 2:09 PM

  Hi Dieter

  > We are not yet sure. 8 bit would be much cheaper as the internal ADC of the
  > microcontroller could be used. 12 bit or more would increase the price as an
  > external ADC has to be used. 
  The 8Bit Version is soundwise the more interesting version. 12Bit 
  wouldn't be "neither fish nor meat". If there should be a higher AD 
  resolution, 16Bit would be requrired.

  To my opinion a 12Bit or 16Bit Delay is not required.

  Florian


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> To my opinion a 12Bit or 16Bit Delay is not required.
> 
> 
> Florian

That's my opinion too.
Dieter

Hi Bakis

> i would prefer a 16bit vc delay module with a cv input and knob for changing Bit Depth (from 16bits to 2 bits or something...)
> so, you can have everything (and changing in realtime if required) from super clear to super 'dirty' delays.
I think the modulatable BIT-Depth should be handled in a separated module.

Florian

that would be nice then!

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de> wrote:

From: Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] VC controlled delay
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:14 PM






Hi Bakis

> i would prefer a 16bit vc delay module with a cv input and knob for changing Bit Depth (from 16bits to 2 bits or something... )
> so, you can have everything (and changing in realtime if required) from super clear to super 'dirty' delays.
I think the modulatable BIT-Depth should be handled in a separated module.

Florian
 














      

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Looking forward to this.  8 bit...at least 3 sec delay time.mix knob.VC of
feedback and delay time would suit me.  VC control of the mix would be a
luxury.this would be a fantastic option.I wonder how much this would raise
the cost?  What would be really nice is two in/outs!

-----Original Message-----
From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bakis Sirros
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:18 AM
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] VC controlled delay

 

that would be nice then!

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

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From: Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@
<mailto:Florian.Anwander%40consol.de> consol.de>
Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] VC controlled delay
To: Doepfer_a100@ <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 3:14 PM

Hi Bakis

> i would prefer a 16bit vc delay module with a cv input and knob for
changing Bit Depth (from 16bits to 2 bits or something... )
> so, you can have everything (and changing in realtime if required) from
super clear to super 'dirty' delays.
I think the modulatable BIT-Depth should be handled in a separated module.

Florian


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Cwejman is going to make a VC delay:
http://www.cwejman.net/cwejman.net/del-4.htm

with 8/16 bits switch and dry/wet crossfader
this would probably be a "double price" feature too.

best wishes

ingo


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, James Husted
<the_ersatz_planet@...> wrote:

>
> Of course the 8-bit/16-bit switch idea would also be a easy "Double  
> delay time" feature.
> -James
> 
> On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:33 AM, James Husted wrote:
> 
> > If the delay could be made with standard SIMM memory modules for the
> > RAM that would be a real plus to me. You could sell it with a
> > standard size SIMM or without one so the user could supply their own.
> > This way the delay time would be only dependent on the size of the
> > SIMM installed and easily upgradeable. As far as 8-bit vs 16-bit, the
> > 8-bit would be fine for me. Most of my use will be processed later
> > anyway. Also many forget that 8-bit is really not that bad. All those
> > old Fairlight recordings from "the day" are 8-bit. Of course this
> > come from a guy with 3 Mirages!
> > -James
> >
> > On Aug 13, 2008, at 12:49 AM, hardware@... wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >> The A-189-2 is probably the next derivate of the universal AD/DA
> >> system. It
> >> will be probably a voltage controlled digital delay with VC
> >> feedback and
> >> additional VCF. The internal structure will be similar to the BBD
> >> module
> >> A-188-1 (i.e. an high speed VCO that generates the clock for the
> >> digital
> >> delay circuit and a digital delay instead of the BBD). The memory
> >> length of
> >> the delay will be probably switcheable in 16 steps between 128
> >> bytes (for
> >> flanger/Karplus Strong) and some Mbytes (for long delays in the
> >> range > 10
> >> seconds).
> >>
> >> Best wishes
> >> Dieter Doepfer
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "jalmari3" <jari.jokinen@...> wrote:
>
> Cwejman is going to make a VC delay:
> http://www.cwejman.net/cwejman.net/del-4.htm
>

and i bet that this one has a "quad price" feature.

aeehhhh, sorry  ;-)

If the delay could be made with standard SIMM memory modules for the  
RAM that would be a real plus to me. You could sell it with a  
standard size SIMM or without one so the user could supply their own.  
This way the delay time would be only dependent on the size of the  
SIMM installed and easily upgradeable. As far as 8-bit vs 16-bit, the  
8-bit would be fine for me. Most of my use will be processed later  
anyway. Also many forget that 8-bit is really not that bad. All those  
old Fairlight recordings from "the day" are 8-bit. Of course this  
come from a guy with 3 Mirages!
-James

On Aug 13, 2008, at 12:49 AM, hardware@doepfer.de wrote:

>>
> The A-189-2 is probably the next derivate of the universal AD/DA  
> system. It
> will be probably a voltage controlled digital delay with VC  
> feedback and
> additional VCF. The internal structure will be similar to the BBD  
> module
> A-188-1 (i.e. an high speed VCO that generates the clock for the  
> digital
> delay circuit and a digital delay instead of the BBD). The memory  
> length of
> the delay will be probably switcheable in 16 steps between 128  
> bytes (for
> flanger/Karplus Strong) and some Mbytes (for long delays in the  
> range > 10
> seconds).
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Of course the 8-bit/16-bit switch idea would also be a easy "Double  
delay time" feature.
-James

On Aug 13, 2008, at 10:33 AM, James Husted wrote:

> If the delay could be made with standard SIMM memory modules for the
> RAM that would be a real plus to me. You could sell it with a
> standard size SIMM or without one so the user could supply their own.
> This way the delay time would be only dependent on the size of the
> SIMM installed and easily upgradeable. As far as 8-bit vs 16-bit, the
> 8-bit would be fine for me. Most of my use will be processed later
> anyway. Also many forget that 8-bit is really not that bad. All those
> old Fairlight recordings from "the day" are 8-bit. Of course this
> come from a guy with 3 Mirages!
> -James
>
> On Aug 13, 2008, at 12:49 AM, hardware@doepfer.de wrote:
>
>>>
>> The A-189-2 is probably the next derivate of the universal AD/DA
>> system. It
>> will be probably a voltage controlled digital delay with VC
>> feedback and
>> additional VCF. The internal structure will be similar to the BBD
>> module
>> A-188-1 (i.e. an high speed VCO that generates the clock for the
>> digital
>> delay circuit and a digital delay instead of the BBD). The memory
>> length of
>> the delay will be probably switcheable in 16 steps between 128
>> bytes (for
>> flanger/Karplus Strong) and some Mbytes (for long delays in the
>> range > 10
>> seconds).
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Dieter Doepfer
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hello, what is the typical input impedance for Doepfer modules? What are the highest and lowest input impedances found in A-100?

Thanx,

Tony

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great, so suddenly everybody seems to be making one

it confirms my suspicion that VC delays are the new filters :) its a rich and relatively unexplored area I think

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:42 PM
  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: VC controlled delay


  Cwejman is going to make a VC delay:
  http://www.cwejman.net/cwejman.net/del-4.htm



   

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why all these mixing knobs on the module itself? these can be done, if
needed, by other modules. the mix knob of my a188 bbd has never left
the fully clockwise position, and i dare say that goes for most of us.
knobs cost money and, more importantly for me, rackspace (i would love
an a188-2 but couldn't find the space for all those mix knobs :) )

similarly, i find vc feedback an unnecessary expensive feature, when a
send/return combi (plus ext. vca) like on the 188 and many other
modules would achieve the same thing, should someone need to do that.
i'm sure most of us only need the one pot.

stuff like the freeze button, or better yet a freeze gate input, are
things that can't be produced outside of the module itself, and i
think the development effort and cost of purchase should go toward
such features.

just my two cents,

stu

I would be interested in a cheap/affordable VC 8 bit or perhaps 12 bit
delay.  For the fancy stuff I would use Max/MSP anyway. So please keep it
low cost.






On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Stu Grimshaw <grimshaw@stugrimshaw.com>wrote:

>   why all these mixing knobs on the module itself? these can be done, if
> needed, by other modules. the mix knob of my a188 bbd has never left
> the fully clockwise position, and i dare say that goes for most of us.
> knobs cost money and, more importantly for me, rackspace (i would love
> an a188-2 but couldn't find the space for all those mix knobs :) )
>
> similarly, i find vc feedback an unnecessary expensive feature, when a
> send/return combi (plus ext. vca) like on the 188 and many other
> modules would achieve the same thing, should someone need to do that.
> i'm sure most of us only need the one pot.
>
> stuff like the freeze button, or better yet a freeze gate input, are
> things that can't be produced outside of the module itself, and i
> think the development effort and cost of purchase should go toward
> such features.
>
> just my two cents,
>
> stu
>
>  
>


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> I would be interested in a cheap/affordable VC 8 bit or perhaps 12 bit
> delay.  For the fancy stuff I would use Max/MSP anyway. So please keep it
> low cost.

That's one of our main targets for this module. We try to keep it in the
Euro 100 range without VC feedback, VC mix or VCF. The voltage control of
feedback, mix and low pass filter will increase the sales price by about
Euro 25 each.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

ok, as long as all these can be done with other modules, no problem for me!
include only features that are unique to the vc delay module and have to be achieved 'inside' the module then.
 
the a112 can also be an 8 bit delay, right? (but, i guess in a much more primitive form...)


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 8/14/08, hardware@doepfer.de <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:

From: hardware@doepfer.de <hardware@doepfer.de>
Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: VC controlled delay
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 4:11 PM






> I would be interested in a cheap/affordable VC 8 bit or perhaps 12 bit
> delay. For the fancy stuff I would use Max/MSP anyway. So please keep it
> low cost.

That's one of our main targets for this module. We try to keep it in the
Euro 100 range without VC feedback, VC mix or VCF. The voltage control of
feedback, mix and low pass filter will increase the sales price by about
Euro 25 each.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

 














      

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> the a112 can also be an 8 bit delay, right? (but, i guess in a
> much more primitive form...)

Yes, in a much more primitive form. The A-112 has no high-speed VCO (like
the BBD modules) but a software generated clock. Thats not as smooth and
fast as a high-speed VCO that generates the delay clock. And there is no
pure delay possible with the A-112 as it's not possible to turn off the
output DAC during a write operation into the A-112 memory. That's why there
is a remark that the additional effects should be treated "in a way free of
charge" for the A-112.

Best whishes
Dieter Doepfer

P.S. I'm not the office from tomorrow (German holiday) until August 25th. No
comments/answers from me during this period.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:
>
> > I would be interested in a cheap/affordable VC 8 bit or perhaps 12 bit
> > delay.  For the fancy stuff I would use Max/MSP anyway. So please
keep it
> > low cost.
> 
> That's one of our main targets for this module. We try to keep it in the
> Euro 100 range without VC feedback, VC mix or VCF. The voltage
control of
> feedback, mix and low pass filter will increase the sales price by about
> Euro 25 each.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

hello dieter,

it is a good idea to keep the price in that area.

imho it would be great if you could add insert jacks
for the feedback path, that shouldn't be too expensive
but it makes a big difference for patching.

best wishes

ingo

I haven't used a delay with an independent feedback output before. What are the consequences of this? Can it be used to modulate the amount/length of feedback

a module where it is not possible to modulate the feedback with CV seems a bit boring

Richard

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  From: selfoscillate 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:36 PM
  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: VC controlled delay


  --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:
  >
  > > I would be interested in a cheap/affordable VC 8 bit or perhaps 12 bit
  > > delay. For the fancy stuff I would use Max/MSP anyway. So please
  keep it
  > > low cost.
  > 
  > That's one of our main targets for this module. We try to keep it in the
  > Euro 100 range without VC feedback, VC mix or VCF. The voltage
  control of
  > feedback, mix and low pass filter will increase the sales price by about
  > Euro 25 each.
  > 
  > Best wishes
  > Dieter Doepfer
  >

  hello dieter,

  it is a good idea to keep the price in that area.

  imho it would be great if you could add insert jacks
  for the feedback path, that shouldn't be too expensive
  but it makes a big difference for patching.

  best wishes

  ingo



   

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Yes, with an insert on the feedback you can control feedback amount by  
patching in a VCA, but that is really the most basic possibility you  
get with an insert;

filters, ringmodulators, waveshapers etc like living in the feedback  
path as well ;-)

d



On Aug 15, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Richard Scott wrote:
>
>> I haven't used a delay with an independent feedback output before.  
>> What are the consequences of this? Can it be used to modulate the  
>> amount/length of feedback
>>
>> a module where it is not possible to modulate the feedback with CV  
>> seems a bit boring
>>
>> Richard
>
> .
>
> 



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Come on.You have a modular synthesizer. Experiment!
I'm getting a bit worried about the ongoing trend on this list.
The trend of people wanting modules that have all the options build in.
Too much build in features are beyond the scope of a modular.

Independant feedback input might be nice but is not really crucial:
It's just as simple as putting a mixer module before the input of that
specific module.
Putting your input signal in one channel. And then split the output of the
module to a 2nd channel of that mixer and to where it needs to go next in
the patch.
The channel level of the modules output determines the feedback/resonance
amount. This works on filters without resonance (fi. A128) or on delays.

I've been checking the delay capabilities of the a112 out and here are some
of the results:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~eloo999/doepfer/

I'm playing around with feedback in examples 2,3,4. Example 1 is just to
show the static delayline without feedback.
In example 4 I change delaytime with putting an A145 into the CV input of
the A112. Some of it is not very pretty but it works.

Patch is A110 + A118(white noise) >>>> A131
A131 is modulated by an A140 that is triggered by an A146. (this results in
some rhythmbox-snaredrum-like sound for these example purposes only)

This is split to the left channel of my recording device and the other
output from the split goes into an a138 mixer.
This is fed into the A112 (which is in delay mode). The output of this is
split into the right channel of my recording device and the outer output of
the split goes to channel 2 on the a136 mixer. Level of channel 2 is now the
FEEDBACK LEVEL.

If you want to voltage control the feedback level you can put the level fed
back into channel 2 through a VCA that you control with anything you like.

Like I said before try this on a fixed filter also, you'll be amazed!

/rant out

Greetings,

Ernst





On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Richard Scott <richard_scott@rwnc.co.uk>wrote:

>   I haven't used a delay with an independent feedback output before. What
> are the consequences of this? Can it be used to modulate the amount/length
> of feedback
>
> a module where it is not possible to modulate the feedback with CV seems a
> bit boring
>
> Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: selfoscillate
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:36 PM
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: VC controlled delay
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> <hardware@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I would be interested in a cheap/affordable VC 8 bit or perhaps 12 bit
> > > delay. For the fancy stuff I would use Max/MSP anyway. So please
> keep it
> > > low cost.
> >
> > That's one of our main targets for this module. We try to keep it in the
> > Euro 100 range without VC feedback, VC mix or VCF. The voltage
> control of
> > feedback, mix and low pass filter will increase the sales price by about
> > Euro 25 each.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
> hello dieter,
>
> it is a good idea to keep the price in that area.
>
> imho it would be great if you could add insert jacks
> for the feedback path, that shouldn't be too expensive
> but it makes a big difference for patching.
>
> best wishes
>
> ingo
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sure, i see your point in general, but adding two sockets for the  
feedback insert isn't a lot of work/space/money and definitely no  
roland-JV-erising thing ;-)

especially with VC feedback being a pretty common task you can save a  
lot of patching  with these two sockets. all you need to do is insert  
a VCA, eliminating a mixer in front of the delay input and a multiple  
at the module output (which, being unbuffered, isn't such a phantastic  
option in terms os sound quality, depending on what else is fed by  
this chain). in terms of signal fidelity you also benefit: one less  
amplification/mixing stage in the signal path (as there already *is* a  
mixer in the delay module that sums input and feedback).

to me, "modular" means flexible, not "tedious" ;-)

my 2 opamps,
d

On Aug 15, 2008, at 1:31 PM, achtung_999 wrote:
>
>> Come on.You have a modular synthesizer. Experiment!
>> I'm getting a bit worried about the ongoing trend on this list.
>> The trend of people wanting modules that have all the options build  
>> in.
>> Too much build in features are beyond the scope of a modular.
>
> .
>
> 



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I understand your point completely, and I would like VC feedback also.But I
was mainly trying to push the people to think more before they start to
inflate and overfeaturize cheap modules that Dieter suggests.

;-)



On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Denis Gökdag <q-art@gmx.net> wrote:

>   sure, i see your point in general, but adding two sockets for the
> feedback insert isn't a lot of work/space/money and definitely no
> roland-JV-erising thing ;-)
>
> especially with VC feedback being a pretty common task you can save a
> lot of patching with these two sockets. all you need to do is insert
> a VCA, eliminating a mixer in front of the delay input and a multiple
> at the module output (which, being unbuffered, isn't such a phantastic
> option in terms os sound quality, depending on what else is fed by
> this chain). in terms of signal fidelity you also benefit: one less
> amplification/mixing stage in the signal path (as there already *is* a
> mixer in the delay module that sums input and feedback).
>
> to me, "modular" means flexible, not "tedious" ;-)
>
> my 2 opamps,
> d
>
>
> On Aug 15, 2008, at 1:31 PM, achtung_999 wrote:
> >
> >> Come on.You have a modular synthesizer. Experiment!
> >> I'm getting a bit worried about the ongoing trend on this list.
> >> The trend of people wanting modules that have all the options build
> >> in.
> >> Too much build in features are beyond the scope of a modular.
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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of course experimentation is the name of the game: but this thread did come from me asking if there was anyone making modules with VC feedback and VC mix so don't shoot me for wanting to have them on a future doepfer module!  I want something  to mount it in a beauty case as an independent delay processor so there won't be much room for so many other modules

I personally want a machine to perform on and full modularity is not always the best solution for that, which is why I love the VCS3, certain Analogue Solutions modules which tend to cram in a lot of CV control along with prepatched VCAs mixers - also the Mooger Foogers do this. I'd like a very flexible delay to modulate the shit out of with analogue sequencers and that I don't need to use external VCAs and mixers everytime i use it... maybe the Harvestman and Analogue Systems modules will be better for me... though twice or more the cost

of course having something simple and cheap will be a more friendly idea to other users


Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: achtung_999 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: VC controlled delay


  I understand your point completely, and I would like VC feedback also.But I
  was mainly trying to push the people to think more before they start to
  inflate and overfeaturize cheap modules that Dieter suggests.

  ;-)

  On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Denis Gökdag <q-art@gmx.net> wrote:

  > sure, i see your point in general, but adding two sockets for the
  > feedback insert isn't a lot of work/space/money and definitely no
  > roland-JV-erising thing ;-)
  >
  > especially with VC feedback being a pretty common task you can save a
  > lot of patching with these two sockets. all you need to do is insert
  > a VCA, eliminating a mixer in front of the delay input and a multiple
  > at the module output (which, being unbuffered, isn't such a phantastic
  > option in terms os sound quality, depending on what else is fed by
  > this chain). in terms of signal fidelity you also benefit: one less
  > amplification/mixing stage in the signal path (as there already *is* a
  > mixer in the delay module that sums input and feedback).
  >
  > to me, "modular" means flexible, not "tedious" ;-)
  >
  > my 2 opamps,
  > d
  >
  >
  > On Aug 15, 2008, at 1:31 PM, achtung_999 wrote:
  > >
  > >> Come on.You have a modular synthesizer. Experiment!
  > >> I'm getting a bit worried about the ongoing trend on this list.
  > >> The trend of people wanting modules that have all the options build
  > >> in.
  > >> Too much build in features are beyond the scope of a modular.
  > >
  > > .
  > >
  > >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  > 
  >

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Sorry Richard, it wasn't personal.I just noticed a lot of people are asking
for so many features.
If Doepfer can keep the modules cheap and simple I can buy several copies of
them and therby make my patches more complex..
That's just my train of thought..

greets,

Ernst



On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Richard Scott <richard_scott@rwnc.co.uk>wrote:

>   of course experimentation is the name of the game: but this thread did
> come from me asking if there was anyone making modules with VC feedback and
> VC mix so don't shoot me for wanting to have them on a future doepfer
> module! I want something to mount it in a beauty case as an independent
> delay processor so there won't be much room for so many other modules
>
> I personally want a machine to perform on and full modularity is not always
> the best solution for that, which is why I love the VCS3, certain Analogue
> Solutions modules which tend to cram in a lot of CV control along with
> prepatched VCAs mixers - also the Mooger Foogers do this. I'd like a very
> flexible delay to modulate the shit out of with analogue sequencers and that
> I don't need to use external VCAs and mixers everytime i use it... maybe the
> Harvestman and Analogue Systems modules will be better for me... though
> twice or more the cost
>
> of course having something simple and cheap will be a more friendly idea to
> other users
>
> Richard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: achtung_999
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: VC controlled delay
>
> I understand your point completely, and I would like VC feedback also.But I
> was mainly trying to push the people to think more before they start to
> inflate and overfeaturize cheap modules that Dieter suggests.
>
> ;-)
>
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Denis Gökdag <q-art@gmx.net<q-art%40gmx.net>>
> wrote:
>
> > sure, i see your point in general, but adding two sockets for the
> > feedback insert isn't a lot of work/space/money and definitely no
> > roland-JV-erising thing ;-)
> >
> > especially with VC feedback being a pretty common task you can save a
> > lot of patching with these two sockets. all you need to do is insert
> > a VCA, eliminating a mixer in front of the delay input and a multiple
> > at the module output (which, being unbuffered, isn't such a phantastic
> > option in terms os sound quality, depending on what else is fed by
> > this chain). in terms of signal fidelity you also benefit: one less
> > amplification/mixing stage in the signal path (as there already *is* a
> > mixer in the delay module that sums input and feedback).
> >
> > to me, "modular" means flexible, not "tedious" ;-)
> >
> > my 2 opamps,
> > d
> >
> >
> > On Aug 15, 2008, at 1:31 PM, achtung_999 wrote:
> > >
> > >> Come on.You have a modular synthesizer. Experiment!
> > >> I'm getting a bit worried about the ongoing trend on this list.
> > >> The trend of people wanting modules that have all the options build
> > >> in.
> > >> Too much build in features are beyond the scope of a modular.
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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