Doepfer

is that new on the site? that interface looks very nice!

New to me! Looks good.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Frequency Divider <freq.div@xs4all.nl>wrote:

>   is that new on the site? that interface looks very nice!
>  
>


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I hope a stereo output is added if a DSP effect like reverb is 
implemented.  Mono is Ok for pitch shift and equalizing but delay is 
questionable and chorus would be bad.

Dan
http://www.REwireMusic.com

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Frequency Divider <freq.div@...> 
wrote:

>
> is that new on the site? that interface looks very nice!
>

i might be tempted to buy two :)

but only if fx like delay or compression are audio AND cv/gate/pulse

Dan Levey schreef:

> 
> 
> I hope a stereo output is added if a DSP effect like reverb is
> implemented. Mono is Ok for pitch shift and equalizing but delay is
> questionable and chorus would be bad.
> 
> Dan
> http://www.REwireMusic.com <http://www.REwireMusic.com>
> 
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> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>, Frequency Divider <freq.div@...>
> wrote:
>  >
>  > is that new on the site? that interface looks very nice!
>  >
> 
> 
> 
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Hi

> but only if fx like delay or compression are audio AND cv/gate/pulse
it will be of interest, whether this module will be based on an own 
Doepfer development or on a third party OEM part. I assume it will be 
the latter one (e.g. Alesis sold its Microverb boards as OEM parts).

Florian

Earlier Dieter said this about the module:

"Yesterday we received the pc boards
for the planned voltage controlled DSP based A-100 module. Maybe with this
hardware/software such a filter can be realized. But I'm not sure as I'm
only the hardware designer. Christian will have to find out what is possible
with the hardware of this module."

so maybe it's an open design (i assume that last 'hardware' should be 
read as 'software')

Florian Anwander schreef:

> 
> 
> Hi
> 
>  > but only if fx like delay or compression are audio AND cv/gate/pulse
> it will be of interest, whether this module will be based on an own
> Doepfer development or on a third party OEM part. I assume it will be
> the latter one (e.g. Alesis sold its Microverb boards as OEM parts).
> 
> Florian
> 
> 
> 
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> I hope a stereo output is added if a DSP effect like reverb is
> implemented.  Mono is Ok for pitch shift and equalizing but delay is
> questionable and chorus would be bad.
>
> Dan

The DSP unit is already stereo. For the first design of the front panel we
used only one channel for audio in and out. The second in/out are available
as solder terminals. But we will probably redesign the front panel to have
both channels available. We also thought about stereo miniature sockets but
refused this idea as other types of cable would be required and this would
lead to unnecessary confusion.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

The negotiations with the successor of Doug Curtis company CES (Curtis
Electromusic Specialties, the home of the CEM circuits) leaded to this
result: for the near future the supply of CEM3320 (A-121), CEM3340 (A-111-1)
and CEM3381/PA381 (A-129-2, A-134, A-135) is guaranteed. But the prices of
of CEM3320 and CEM3340 will increase considerably (nearly doubling), the
price for the CEM3381/PA381 only by about 15%. Consequently we have to
increase the prices for A-111-1 and A-120. For 129-2, A-134 and A-135 we
will keep the prices unchanged for now as we still have some inventory. The
prices for these module will climb a bit early next year.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> > but only if fx like delay or compression are audio AND cv/gate/pulse
> it will be of interest, whether this module will be based on an own
> Doepfer development or on a third party OEM part. I assume it will be
> the latter one (e.g. Alesis sold its Microverb boards as OEM parts).
>
> Florian

You are right: it's a third party OEM module. We do not have the manpower to
develop the hard and software for such a DSP design.

Dieter

For anyone interested in stereo DSP in modular format. I just stumbled on
this: http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features
Very interesting..


Ernst




On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:25 AM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

>   > > but only if fx like delay or compression are audio AND cv/gate/pulse
> > it will be of interest, whether this module will be based on an own
> > Doepfer development or on a third party OEM part. I assume it will be
> > the latter one (e.g. Alesis sold its Microverb boards as OEM parts).
> >
> > Florian
>
> You are right: it's a third party OEM module. We do not have the manpower
> to
> develop the hard and software for such a DSP design.
>
> Dieter
>
>  
>


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Sounds very similar delay time clicks are found with the behringer  
budget guitar delay pedals aswell..

beware


On 23/10/2008, at 12:39 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:

> I played around with this module a few weeks ago at Schneider's Buro,
> and came to the conclusion that TipTop never actually tested it before
> they went into manufacturing. Adjusting the delay time either by  
> hand or
> by CV results in a mess of disgusting clicks, for example. And for a
> voltage controlled delay module, where modulating the delay length is
> one of the main attractions (for comb filters and so on) that's a  
> pretty
> sad situation.
>
> D.
>
> achtung_999 wrote:
> > For anyone interested in stereo DSP in modular format. I just  
> stumbled on
> > this: http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features
> > Very interesting..
>
> -- 
> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> ---Oblique Strategy # 125:
> "Only a part, not the whole"
>
> 



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I just read your comment after making my previous one...

well that's a worry then...

On 23/10/2008, at 12:44 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:

> Actually my Behringer pedal doesn't sound nearly as bad when I adjust
> the delay length as this one does ;-)
>
> d.
>
> achtung_999 wrote:
> > Oh thanks for that info Derek!That sounds a bit like the 30 euro  
> Behringer
> > delay pedals..
> > Only diffrence that you are not expecting much for a price like  
> that. This
> > module however seemed cool..
> > Too bad
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ernst
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl>  
> wrote:
> >
> >> I played around with this module a few weeks ago at Schneider's  
> Buro,
> >> and came to the conclusion that TipTop never actually tested it  
> before
> >> they went into manufacturing. Adjusting the delay time either by  
> hand or
> >> by CV results in a mess of disgusting clicks, for example. And  
> for a
> >> voltage controlled delay module, where modulating the delay  
> length is
> >> one of the main attractions (for comb filters and so on) that's a  
> pretty
> >> sad situation.
> >>
> >> D.
> >>
> >>
> >> achtung_999 wrote:
> >>> For anyone interested in stereo DSP in modular format. I just  
> stumbled on
> >>> this: http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features
> >>> Very interesting..
> >> --
> >> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl :::
> >> http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> >> ---Oblique Strategy # 125:
> >> "Only a part, not the whole"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> ---Oblique Strategy # 203:
> "When is it for?
> Who is it for?"
>
> 



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I played around with this module a few weeks ago at Schneider's Buro, 
and came to the conclusion that TipTop never actually tested it before 
they went into manufacturing. Adjusting the delay time either by hand or 
by CV results in a mess of disgusting clicks, for example. And for a 
voltage controlled delay module, where modulating the delay length is 
one of the main attractions (for comb filters and so on) that's a pretty 
sad situation.

D.

achtung_999 wrote:
> For anyone interested in stereo DSP in modular format. I just stumbled on
> this: http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features
> Very interesting..

-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
---Oblique Strategy # 125:
"Only a part, not the whole"

Oh thanks for that info Derek!That sounds a bit like the 30 euro Behringer
delay pedals..
Only diffrence that you are not expecting much for a price like that. This
module however seemed cool..
Too bad

Thanks!

Ernst


On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl> wrote:

>   I played around with this module a few weeks ago at Schneider's Buro,
> and came to the conclusion that TipTop never actually tested it before
> they went into manufacturing. Adjusting the delay time either by hand or
> by CV results in a mess of disgusting clicks, for example. And for a
> voltage controlled delay module, where modulating the delay length is
> one of the main attractions (for comb filters and so on) that's a pretty
> sad situation.
>
> D.
>
>
> achtung_999 wrote:
> > For anyone interested in stereo DSP in modular format. I just stumbled on
> > this: http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features
> > Very interesting..
>
> --
> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl :::
> http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> ---Oblique Strategy # 125:
> "Only a part, not the whole"
>
>  
>


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Actually my Behringer pedal doesn't sound nearly as bad when I adjust 
the delay length as this one does ;-)

d.

achtung_999 wrote:
> Oh thanks for that info Derek!That sounds a bit like the 30 euro Behringer
> delay pedals..
> Only diffrence that you are not expecting much for a price like that. This
> module however seemed cool..
> Too bad
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Ernst
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl> wrote:
> 
>>   I played around with this module a few weeks ago at Schneider's Buro,
>> and came to the conclusion that TipTop never actually tested it before
>> they went into manufacturing. Adjusting the delay time either by hand or
>> by CV results in a mess of disgusting clicks, for example. And for a
>> voltage controlled delay module, where modulating the delay length is
>> one of the main attractions (for comb filters and so on) that's a pretty
>> sad situation.
>>
>> D.
>>
>>
>> achtung_999 wrote:
>>> For anyone interested in stereo DSP in modular format. I just stumbled on
>>> this: http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features
>>> Very interesting..
>> --
>> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl :::
>> http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
>> ---Oblique Strategy # 125:
>> "Only a part, not the whole"
>>
>>  
>>
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
---Oblique Strategy # 203:
"When is it for?
Who is it for?"

great minds think alike ;-)


On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Chidra_100@iinet.net.au <
ChidrA_100@iinet.net.au> wrote:

>   I just read your comment after making my previous one...
>
> well that's a worry then...
>
>
> On 23/10/2008, at 12:44 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:
>
> > Actually my Behringer pedal doesn't sound nearly as bad when I adjust
> > the delay length as this one does ;-)
> >
> > d.
> >
> > achtung_999 wrote:
> > > Oh thanks for that info Derek!That sounds a bit like the 30 euro
> > Behringer
> > > delay pedals..
> > > Only diffrence that you are not expecting much for a price like
> > that. This
> > > module however seemed cool..
> > > Too bad
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Ernst
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl<derek%40umatic.nl>>
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I played around with this module a few weeks ago at Schneider's
> > Buro,
> > >> and came to the conclusion that TipTop never actually tested it
> > before
> > >> they went into manufacturing. Adjusting the delay time either by
> > hand or
> > >> by CV results in a mess of disgusting clicks, for example. And
> > for a
> > >> voltage controlled delay module, where modulating the delay
> > length is
> > >> one of the main attractions (for comb filters and so on) that's a
> > pretty
> > >> sad situation.
> > >>
> > >> D.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> achtung_999 wrote:
> > >>> For anyone interested in stereo DSP in modular format. I just
> > stumbled on
> > >>> this: http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features
> > >>> Very interesting..
> > >> --
> > >> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl :::
> > >> http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> > >> ---Oblique Strategy # 125:
> > >> "Only a part, not the whole"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl :::
> http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> > ---Oblique Strategy # 203:
> > "When is it for?
> > Who is it for?"
> >
> >
>
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>
>  
>


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If your looking for a super smooth digital delay on top of the reverbs  
( the real reason to get this module) among other effects built in,  
then your asking FAR too much from it's $185.00 USD price point.

This modules magic is in it's none standard used. Feeding back the  
right output back into the left. Putting it on a long plate reverb and  
placing it between a vco FMing another vco, etc.

My first effects rack module was a cheap alexis midiverb II.

This modules reverb settings remind meof it so much. But again, it's  
the none "traditional" uses that make it so cool.

Find the features in it's flaws. They might surprise you.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 22, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl> wrote:

> Actually my Behringer pedal doesn't sound nearly as bad when I adjust
> the delay length as this one does ;-)
>
> d.
>
> achtung_999 wrote:
> > Oh thanks for that info Derek!That sounds a bit like the 30 euro  
> Behringer
> > delay pedals..
> > Only diffrence that you are not expecting much for a price like  
> that. This
> > module however seemed cool..
> > Too bad
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Ernst
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Derek Holzer <derek@umatic.nl>  
> wrote:
> >
> >> I played around with this module a few weeks ago at Schneider's  
> Buro,
> >> and came to the conclusion that TipTop never actually tested it  
> before
> >> they went into manufacturing. Adjusting the delay time either by  
> hand or
> >> by CV results in a mess of disgusting clicks, for example. And  
> for a
> >> voltage controlled delay module, where modulating the delay  
> length is
> >> one of the main attractions (for comb filters and so on) that's a  
> pretty
> >> sad situation.
> >>
> >> D.
> >>
> >>
> >> achtung_999 wrote:
> >>> For anyone interested in stereo DSP in modular format. I just  
> stumbled on
> >>> this: http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features
> >>> Very interesting..
> >> --
> >> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl :::
> >> http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> >> ---Oblique Strategy # 125:
> >> "Only a part, not the whole"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
> ---Oblique Strategy # 203:
> "When is it for?
> Who is it for?"
> 


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I have bought and used the ones from Analog Haven and they work very  
well. You have to make sure it is plugged together correctly - trace  
the lines yourself, don't follow the pictures on the site (which used  
to show wired in both ways). Connect it like the 3rd picture down on  
the page ( http://www.analoguehaven.com/doepfer/asysadaptor/ ). As  
you can see the red stripes DON'T line up on the cables. I also added  
some electrical tape covering the exposed leads on the PCB in case it  
flopped around and touched anything in the case.
The only other concern is the 1/2 a hp hole spacing difference from  
Doepfer and AS modules. Expect a gap or break out the drill press!

-James

On Oct 22, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:

> I played around with this module a few weeks ago at Schneider's Buro,
> and came to the conclusion that TipTop never actually tested it before
> they went into manufacturing. Adjusting the delay time either by  
> hand or
> by CV results in a mess of disgusting clicks, for example. And for a
> voltage controlled delay module, where modulating the delay length is
> one of the main attractions (for comb filters and so on) that's a  
> pretty
> sad situation.
>
> D.
>
> achtung_999 wrote:
>> For anyone interested in stereo DSP in modular format. I just  
>> stumbled on
>> this: http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features
>> Very interesting..
>
> -- 
> derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/ 
> macumbista
> ---Oblique Strategy # 125:
> "Only a part, not the whole"
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Robert,

I'm sure the effects sound fine, and I appreciate that it works at 
typical synth levels instead of line levels. Nobody likes digital 
distortion. And you can do cool feedback-oriented stuff with it within 
the modular environment.

But I do wonder why they bothered to include CV controls when they so 
obviously sound terrible. This thing isn't mean to be voltage 
controlled, it's probably just a DSP board with some -10 dB gain padding 
on one end and a compensation +10dB amp at the other (a trick you could 
use to get even your Behringer pedals working within your modular 
environment). Even a simple interpolation of the digital delay times so 
that they could be swept via CV would improve this thing immensely.

D.

Robert Voso wrote:
> If your looking for a super smooth digital delay on top of the reverbs  
> ( the real reason to get this module) among other effects built in,  
> then your asking FAR too much from it's $185.00 USD price point.
> 
> This modules magic is in it's none standard used. Feeding back the  
> right output back into the left. Putting it on a long plate reverb and  
> placing it between a vco FMing another vco, etc.
> 
> My first effects rack module was a cheap alexis midiverb II.
> 
> This modules reverb settings remind meof it so much. But again, it's  
> the none "traditional" uses that make it so cool.
> 
> Find the features in it's flaws. They might surprise you.

-- 
derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista
---Oblique Strategy # 191:
"You don't have to be ashamed of using your own ideas"