Doepfer

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
Doepfer_a100 group:

Should Doepfer release new envelope generator modules? 
Like ADDSR, AHDSR... with slope parameter for each phase.

ADDSR= Attack Decay1 Decay 2 Sustain Release
AHDSR= Attack Hold Decay Sustain Release 

  o No! The envelope generator modules already available are ok. 
  o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR and slope parameter for each phase. 
  o Yes! but ADDSR it's enough... 
  o Yes! but ADDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough... 
  o Yes! but AHDSR it's enough... 
  o Yes! but AHDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough... 
  o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR but no slope parameter. 


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Doepfer_a100/surveys?id=13087131 

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
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web site listed above.

Thanks!

I think I'd rather see a VC A(S)R module, or something with voltage
control.  does "slope parameter" mean shape control btwn log/lin/exp?
because that is definitely welcome, but I think that simpler VC envelopes
would prove more desirable to the market than complicated non-VC envelopes

is this an option on the poll? :)

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:12 PM, <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> Doepfer_a100 group:
>
> Should Doepfer release new envelope generator modules?
> Like ADDSR, AHDSR... with slope parameter for each phase.
>
> ADDSR= Attack Decay1 Decay 2 Sustain Release
> AHDSR= Attack Hold Decay Sustain Release
>
> o No! The envelope generator modules already available are ok.
> o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR and slope parameter for each phase.
> o Yes! but ADDSR it's enough...
> o Yes! but ADDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough...
> o Yes! but AHDSR it's enough...
> o Yes! but AHDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough...
> o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR but no slope parameter.
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Doepfer_a100/surveys?id=13087131
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>
>  
>


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o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR and slope parameter for each phase.

This would be really useful - I'm frequently frustrated by the envelope of a standard ADSR as it can't adequately replicate those  of natural sounds. The ADDSR would be particularly good to have.

On another note, it would be great if they could be either 4HP (which seems unlikely) or 6HP, as space is always an issue.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> Doepfer_a100 group:
> 
> Should Doepfer release new envelope generator modules? 
> Like ADDSR, AHDSR... with slope parameter for each phase.
> 
> ADDSR= Attack Decay1 Decay 2 Sustain Release
> AHDSR= Attack Hold Decay Sustain Release 
> 
>   o No! The envelope generator modules already available are ok. 
>   o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR and slope parameter for each phase. 
>   o Yes! but ADDSR it's enough... 
>   o Yes! but ADDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough... 
>   o Yes! but AHDSR it's enough... 
>   o Yes! but AHDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough... 
>   o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR but no slope parameter. 
> 
> 
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Doepfer_a100/surveys?id=13087131 
> 
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
> web site listed above.
> 
> Thanks!
>

I'm very much in agreement here, VC of parameters make a much more
versatile module (any module) and I'm a big fan of AD or AR envelopes. 


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David 

-----Original Message-----
From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dancemachine
Sent: 09 June 2011 21:18
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New poll for Doepfer_a100

I think I'd rather see a VC A(S)R module, or something with voltage
control.  does "slope parameter" mean shape control btwn log/lin/exp?
because that is definitely welcome, but I think that simpler VC
envelopes would prove more desirable to the market than complicated
non-VC envelopes

is this an option on the poll? :)

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:12 PM, <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the 
> Doepfer_a100 group:
>
> Should Doepfer release new envelope generator modules?
> Like ADDSR, AHDSR... with slope parameter for each phase.
>
> ADDSR= Attack Decay1 Decay 2 Sustain Release AHDSR= Attack Hold Decay 
> Sustain Release
>
> o No! The envelope generator modules already available are ok.
> o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR and slope parameter for each phase.
> o Yes! but ADDSR it's enough...
> o Yes! but ADDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough...
> o Yes! but AHDSR it's enough...
> o Yes! but AHDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough...
> o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR but no slope parameter.
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Doepfer_a100/surveys?id=13087131
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not 
> collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web 
> site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
>
>  
>


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I really like multi-stage envelopes (cz1000, nord modular, etc).
8 stages and you select which stage is the sustain. Added cv control would be immense.




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> Doepfer_a100 group:
> 
> Should Doepfer release new envelope generator modules? 
> Like ADDSR, AHDSR... with slope parameter for each phase.
> 
> ADDSR= Attack Decay1 Decay 2 Sustain Release
> AHDSR= Attack Hold Decay Sustain Release 
> 
>   o No! The envelope generator modules already available are ok. 
>   o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR and slope parameter for each phase. 
>   o Yes! but ADDSR it's enough... 
>   o Yes! but ADDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough... 
>   o Yes! but AHDSR it's enough... 
>   o Yes! but AHDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough... 
>   o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR but no slope parameter. 
> 
> 
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Doepfer_a100/surveys?id=13087131 
> 
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
> web site listed above.
> 
> Thanks!
>

Hello John and David,

Am 10.06.2011 12:54, schrieb john m:
 > I really like multi-stage envelopes (cz1000, nord modular, etc).
 > 8 stages and you select which stage is the sustain. Added cv control
 > would be immense.

If there should be a new envelope module, then it should be not reduced 
to certain functions like attack or decay or what ever. So I subscribe 
to Johns request for a multistage envelope.

There are several stages, basically with an slew time and a destination 
voltage. The destination voltage of the last stage is the note-off 
voltage. The destination voltages can have values between +10V and -10V.

StageX-Level: this is the voltage to where this stage changes to. The 
last stage will have an additional switch to set this level to 0V 
(=normal envelope).
StageX-Rate: this is the rate at which the StageX-Level will be reached. 
There should be a switch for mid/fast/slow per stage.
StageX-LoopStart: this is an on/off switch. It determines the start of 
the envelope loop
StageX-LoopEnd: this is an on/off switch. It determines the end of the 
envelope loop

If StageX-LoopStart and StageX-LoopEnd are activated at the same stage, 
then you have an normal Sustain.
If StageX-LoopStart and StageX-LoopEnd are activated at the different 
stages, the Sustain phase will circulate through the corresponding stages.

The big advantage of this kind of envelope: you can achieve negative and 
positive modulations within the same envelope, and the amount still will 
be controlled by a simple env amount potentiometer.


Am 10.06.2011 09:02, schrieb david.salter@thomsonreuters.com:
 > I'm a big fan of AD or AR envelopes.
Me too. Mostly I am a big fan of the envelopes of the moog rogue. It has 
Attack and Decay as parameters and can be switched between AD and ASR. I 
made recently rougly a pcb in eagle for it:
http://fa.utfs.org/diy/a100/rogue_envelope/index.html


Florian

And me. While there are various alternatives in euroland as a whole  
I'm sure Dieter would be able to offer a lower price point in Europe  
at least.

Martin

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 Jun 2011, at 08:02, david.salter@thomsonreuters.com wrote:

> I'm very much in agreement here, VC of parameters make a much more
> versatile module (any module) and I'm a big fan of AD or AR envelopes.
>
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> * *
> * * *
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com  
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of dancemachine
> Sent: 09 June 2011 21:18
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New poll for Doepfer_a100
>
> I think I'd rather see a VC A(S)R module, or something with voltage
> control. does "slope parameter" mean shape control btwn log/lin/exp?
> because that is definitely welcome, but I think that simpler VC
> envelopes would prove more desirable to the market than complicated
> non-VC envelopes
>
> is this an option on the poll? :)
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:12 PM, <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > Doepfer_a100 group:
> >
> > Should Doepfer release new envelope generator modules?
> > Like ADDSR, AHDSR... with slope parameter for each phase.
> >
> > ADDSR= Attack Decay1 Decay 2 Sustain Release AHDSR= Attack Hold  
> Decay
> > Sustain Release
> >
> > o No! The envelope generator modules already available are ok.
> > o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR and slope parameter for each phase.
> > o Yes! but ADDSR it's enough...
> > o Yes! but ADDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough...
> > o Yes! but AHDSR it's enough...
> > o Yes! but AHDSR with slope parameter for each phase it's enough...
> > o Yes! ADDSR, AHDSR but no slope parameter.
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Doepfer_a100/surveys?id=13087131
> >
> > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not
> > collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web
> > site listed above.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> 


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couldn't a a-155 be patched up for these kind of functions?  maybe I'm wrong but I thought of it on another reply for a arbitrary envelope, and this sounds just like an a-155 with supporting modules.  maybe I'm wrong 



On Jun 10, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de> wrote:

> Hello John and David,
> 
> Am 10.06.2011 12:54, schrieb john m:
> > I really like multi-stage envelopes (cz1000, nord modular, etc).
> > 8 stages and you select which stage is the sustain. Added cv control
> > would be immense.
> 
> If there should be a new envelope module, then it should be not reduced 
> to certain functions like attack or decay or what ever. So I subscribe 
> to Johns request for a multistage envelope.
> 
> There are several stages, basically with an slew time and a destination 
> voltage. The destination voltage of the last stage is the note-off 
> voltage. The destination voltages can have values between +10V and -10V.
> 
> StageX-Level: this is the voltage to where this stage changes to. The 
> last stage will have an additional switch to set this level to 0V 
> (=normal envelope).
> StageX-Rate: this is the rate at which the StageX-Level will be reached. 
> There should be a switch for mid/fast/slow per stage.
> StageX-LoopStart: this is an on/off switch. It determines the start of 
> the envelope loop
> StageX-LoopEnd: this is an on/off switch. It determines the end of the 
> envelope loop
> 
> If StageX-LoopStart and StageX-LoopEnd are activated at the same stage, 
> then you have an normal Sustain.
> If StageX-LoopStart and StageX-LoopEnd are activated at the different 
> stages, the Sustain phase will circulate through the corresponding stages.
> 
> The big advantage of this kind of envelope: you can achieve negative and 
> positive modulations within the same envelope, and the amount still will 
> be controlled by a simple env amount potentiometer.
> 
> Am 10.06.2011 09:02, schrieb david.salter@thomsonreuters.com:
> > I'm a big fan of AD or AR envelopes.
> Me too. Mostly I am a big fan of the envelopes of the moog rogue. It has 
> Attack and Decay as parameters and can be switched between AD and ASR. I 
> made recently rougly a pcb in eagle for it:
> http://fa.utfs.org/diy/a100/rogue_envelope/index.html
> 
> Florian
> 


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Hello


> couldn't a a-155 be patched up for these kind of functions?
perhaps it is possible. But it would be very difficult. It still would 
require additional modules: A VC slewlimiter, which has to be set very 
exactly. A154 as voltage controlled clock for the envelope times. An 
offset for the output voltage, a trigger converter for the 
gate-to-start/stop conversion....



Florian

Hi Florian,
 
I understand the benefits of the multistage envelope and have DIY'd
something similar which is very useful.
 
It wasn't my intention to disregard the poll (I had already voted Yes) I
was just trying to emphasis that for most uses ADSR has more stages than
people really use and a simpler envelope would be most useful, in fact I
believe there was discussion for such a module in the past.
 
I too am a fan of the Rogue envelope, the nearest I have to that is the
BugBrand EG which has an AD/ASR switch ;)
 
Thank you for the explanation as well as it's always good to get a
fuller view of a proposed module.
 
Rgds
 
David
 
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From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Florian Anwander
Sent: 10 June 2011 13:51
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New poll for Doepfer_a100


  

Hello John and David,

Am 10.06.2011 12:54, schrieb john m:
> I really like multi-stage envelopes (cz1000, nord modular, etc).
> 8 stages and you select which stage is the sustain. Added cv control
> would be immense.

If there should be a new envelope module, then it should be not reduced 
to certain functions like attack or decay or what ever. So I subscribe 
to Johns request for a multistage envelope.

There are several stages, basically with an slew time and a destination 
voltage. The destination voltage of the last stage is the note-off 
voltage. The destination voltages can have values between +10V and -10V.

StageX-Level: this is the voltage to where this stage changes to. The 
last stage will have an additional switch to set this level to 0V 
(=normal envelope).
StageX-Rate: this is the rate at which the StageX-Level will be reached.

There should be a switch for mid/fast/slow per stage.
StageX-LoopStart: this is an on/off switch. It determines the start of 
the envelope loop
StageX-LoopEnd: this is an on/off switch. It determines the end of the 
envelope loop

If StageX-LoopStart and StageX-LoopEnd are activated at the same stage, 
then you have an normal Sustain.
If StageX-LoopStart and StageX-LoopEnd are activated at the different 
stages, the Sustain phase will circulate through the corresponding
stages.

The big advantage of this kind of envelope: you can achieve negative and

positive modulations within the same envelope, and the amount still will

be controlled by a simple env amount potentiometer.

Am 10.06.2011 09:02, schrieb david.salter@thomsonreuters.com
<mailto:david.salter%40thomsonreuters.com> :
> I'm a big fan of AD or AR envelopes.
Me too. Mostly I am a big fan of the envelopes of the moog rogue. It has

Attack and Decay as parameters and can be switched between AD and ASR. I

made recently rougly a pcb in eagle for it:
http://fa.utfs.org/diy/a100/rogue_envelope/index.html

Florian





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Really liking the sound of that Florian! 



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:

>
> Hello John and David,
> 
> Am 10.06.2011 12:54, schrieb john m:
>  > I really like multi-stage envelopes (cz1000, nord modular, etc).
>  > 8 stages and you select which stage is the sustain. Added cv control
>  > would be immense.
> 
> If there should be a new envelope module, then it should be not reduced 
> to certain functions like attack or decay or what ever. So I subscribe 
> to Johns request for a multistage envelope.
> 
> There are several stages, basically with an slew time and a destination 
> voltage. The destination voltage of the last stage is the note-off 
> voltage. The destination voltages can have values between +10V and -10V.
> 
> StageX-Level: this is the voltage to where this stage changes to. The 
> last stage will have an additional switch to set this level to 0V 
> (=normal envelope).
> StageX-Rate: this is the rate at which the StageX-Level will be reached. 
> There should be a switch for mid/fast/slow per stage.
> StageX-LoopStart: this is an on/off switch. It determines the start of 
> the envelope loop
> StageX-LoopEnd: this is an on/off switch. It determines the end of the 
> envelope loop
> 
> If StageX-LoopStart and StageX-LoopEnd are activated at the same stage, 
> then you have an normal Sustain.
> If StageX-LoopStart and StageX-LoopEnd are activated at the different 
> stages, the Sustain phase will circulate through the corresponding stages.
> 
> The big advantage of this kind of envelope: you can achieve negative and 
> positive modulations within the same envelope, and the amount still will 
> be controlled by a simple env amount potentiometer.
> 
> 
> Am 10.06.2011 09:02, schrieb david.salter@...:
>  > I'm a big fan of AD or AR envelopes.
> Me too. Mostly I am a big fan of the envelopes of the moog rogue. It has 
> Attack and Decay as parameters and can be switched between AD and ASR. I 
> made recently rougly a pcb in eagle for it:
> http://fa.utfs.org/diy/a100/rogue_envelope/index.html
> 
> 
> Florian
>