Doepfer

Hi - I just joined this forum. I've been using and expanding an A00 
system for about a year. Perhaps someone an help me with a midi 
glitch:

I use the A191 square LFO output as the clock source for my A155 
sequencer. Occasionally, I noticed that the clock was 180 degrees out 
of phase with the beat, and had to stop/restart the sequence (one or 
more times) to clear it up.

I recently added a Regelwerk and I'm using it as the master clock. Now 
the A191 pulse is ALWAYS 180 degrees out of phase, and it has to be 
patched thru the A165 Trigger Modifier for the A155 to play correctly.

Not a big deal, but does anyone know what might be causing this, and 
what if anything I can do to correct it?

hi and wellcome to the list!
i wish i could help but,i don't have an a191...
by the way,as you have this module,tell us ,have you
used the shepard generator??any creative thoughts??
synthfreak

--- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> Hi - I just joined this forum. I've been using and
> expanding an A00 
> system for about a year. Perhaps someone an help me
> with a midi 
> glitch:
> 
> I use the A191 square LFO output as the clock source
> for my A155 
> sequencer. Occasionally, I noticed that the clock
> was 180 degrees out 
> of phase with the beat, and had to stop/restart the
> sequence (one or 
> more times) to clear it up.
> 
> I recently added a Regelwerk and I'm using it as the
> master clock. Now 
> the A191 pulse is ALWAYS 180 degrees out of phase,
> and it has to be 
> patched thru the A165 Trigger Modifier for the A155
> to play correctly.
> 
> Not a big deal, but does anyone know what might be
> causing this, and 
> what if anything I can do to correct it?
> 
> 


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I tried out the Shepard generator when I first got the A191, but I'm 
sorry not to have any creative thoughts regarding it - I haven't 
switched the A191 to Shepard mode since then. The Midi/CV sockets and 
the Midi-synced LFOs are far too useful to me. I consider the A190/191 
to be a single integrated Midi interface, and I can't imagine trying 
to get by with just the A190 alone.

A thought occurred to me about my sync problem. My previous master 
clock source might have been confusing the A191 in some mysterious 
way, sometimes leaving it in phase, sometimes out of phase. Perhaps it 
was in the "out of phase" state when I switched over to the Regelwerk. 
I'm going to temporarily re-connect the original clock source, and try 
to get the A191 back to the "in phase" state. If that doesn't work, 
I'll directly email Doepfer about the problem.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> hi and wellcome to the list!
> i wish i could help but,i don't have an a191...
> by the way,as you have this module,tell us ,have you
> used the shepard generator??any creative thoughts??
> synthfreak

hi joe,
about your sync problem...i use the clock output of
the a190 to sync my a155.and the "problem" that i have
is that the a155 allways starts from the second
step.(of course i have the reset out of the a190
connected to the input of the a155...).i sync my a155
to my old atari st.but it's not a real problem as it
allways starts from the second step,everything else is
o.k..it might be that i have my a190 connected to midi
with my atari after a very long midichain.
why don't you use the clock out of the a190??
bakis.

--- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> I tried out the Shepard generator when I first got
> the A191, but I'm 
> sorry not to have any creative thoughts regarding it
> - I haven't 
> switched the A191 to Shepard mode since then. The
> Midi/CV sockets and 
> the Midi-synced LFOs are far too useful to me. I
> consider the A190/191 
> to be a single integrated Midi interface, and I
> can't imagine trying 
> to get by with just the A190 alone.
> 
> A thought occurred to me about my sync problem. My
> previous master 
> clock source might have been confusing the A191 in
> some mysterious 
> way, sometimes leaving it in phase, sometimes out of
> phase. Perhaps it 
> was in the "out of phase" state when I switched over
> to the Regelwerk. 
> I'm going to temporarily re-connect the original
> clock source, and try 
> to get the A191 back to the "in phase" state. If
> that doesn't work, 
> I'll directly email Doepfer about the problem.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hi and wellcome to the list!
> > i wish i could help but,i don't have an a191...
> > by the way,as you have this module,tell us ,have
> you
> > used the shepard generator??any creative
> thoughts??
> > synthfreak
> 
> 



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Hi bakis

I assume you step down the A190's clock output with an A160 clock 
divider? I like to keep my A160 available for switching between the 
A155's rows. Is there another way?

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> hi joe,
> about your sync problem...i use the clock output of
> the a190 to sync my a155.and the "problem" that i have
> is that the a155 allways starts from the second
> step.(of course i have the reset out of the a190
> connected to the input of the a155...).i sync my a155
> to my old atari st.but it's not a real problem as it
> allways starts from the second step,everything else is
> o.k..it might be that i have my a190 connected to midi
> with my atari after a very long midichain.
> why don't you use the clock out of the a190??
> bakis.
> 
> --- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > I tried out the Shepard generator when I first got
> > the A191, but I'm 
> > sorry not to have any creative thoughts regarding it
> > - I haven't 
> > switched the A191 to Shepard mode since then. The
> > Midi/CV sockets and 
> > the Midi-synced LFOs are far too useful to me. I
> > consider the A190/191 
> > to be a single integrated Midi interface, and I
> > can't imagine trying 
> > to get by with just the A190 alone.
> > 
> > A thought occurred to me about my sync problem. My
> > previous master 
> > clock source might have been confusing the A191 in
> > some mysterious 
> > way, sometimes leaving it in phase, sometimes out of
> > phase. Perhaps it 
> > was in the "out of phase" state when I switched over
> > to the Regelwerk. 
> > I'm going to temporarily re-connect the original
> > clock source, and try 
> > to get the A191 back to the "in phase" state. If
> > that doesn't work, 
> > I'll directly email Doepfer about the problem.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros
> > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > hi and wellcome to the list!
> > > i wish i could help but,i don't have an a191...
> > > by the way,as you have this module,tell us ,have
> > you
> > > used the shepard generator??any creative
> > thoughts??
> > > synthfreak
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> 
> __________________________________________________
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Okay bakis, I went back and read the A190 User's Guide. Funny I've 
been ignoring that CLOCK menu all this time, there it is right on the 
front panel!

Now I have the A190's clock patched to the A155 sequencer, and the 
A191's LFO pulse patched to the A150 switch. Everything is in sync. 
The fact that the A191 is out of phase makes the switch work 
correctly. The A191 pulse starts LOW, so the switch starts at I/O1, 
then after 8 sequencer steps the pulse goes HIGH and the switch goes 
to I/O2. I wonder if I hallucinated the A191 ever being in phase 
before?

I don't need the Clock Divider or the Trigger Modifier with this 
setup. The only glitch is:

******************************
The A155 now starts at step 2!
******************************

I guess it isn't the long Midi chain from your Atari causing that.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> Hi bakis
> 
> I assume you step down the A190's clock output with an A160 clock 
> divider? I like to keep my A160 available for switching between the 
> A155's rows. Is there another way?
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> 
wrote:

> > hi joe,
> > about your sync problem...i use the clock output of
> > the a190 to sync my a155.and the "problem" that i have
> > is that the a155 allways starts from the second
> > step.(of course i have the reset out of the a190
> > connected to the input of the a155...).i sync my a155
> > to my old atari st.but it's not a real problem as it
> > allways starts from the second step,everything else is
> > o.k..it might be that i have my a190 connected to midi
> > with my atari after a very long midichain.
> > why don't you use the clock out of the a190??
> > bakis.
> > 
> > --- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > I tried out the Shepard generator when I first got
> > > the A191, but I'm 
> > > sorry not to have any creative thoughts regarding it
> > > - I haven't 
> > > switched the A191 to Shepard mode since then. The
> > > Midi/CV sockets and 
> > > the Midi-synced LFOs are far too useful to me. I
> > > consider the A190/191 
> > > to be a single integrated Midi interface, and I
> > > can't imagine trying 
> > > to get by with just the A190 alone.
> > > 
> > > A thought occurred to me about my sync problem. My
> > > previous master 
> > > clock source might have been confusing the A191 in
> > > some mysterious 
> > > way, sometimes leaving it in phase, sometimes out of
> > > phase. Perhaps it 
> > > was in the "out of phase" state when I switched over
> > > to the Regelwerk. 
> > > I'm going to temporarily re-connect the original
> > > clock source, and try 
> > > to get the A191 back to the "in phase" state. If
> > > that doesn't work, 
> > > I'll directly email Doepfer about the problem.
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros
> > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > hi and wellcome to the list!
> > > > i wish i could help but,i don't have an a191...
> > > > by the way,as you have this module,tell us ,have
> > > you
> > > > used the shepard generator??any creative
> > > thoughts??
> > > > synthfreak
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
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> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
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hi joe,
i don't use the a160 clock divider because i have
already divided the clock using the divisor of the
a190.(but i'm going to put the divisor of the a190
back into smaller values because the clock output of
the a190 now seems rather slow...anyway you can divide
the clock without using the a160.
i hope this will be of some help...
synthfreak
p.s.:or,you can always buy another a160...
or...why can't you use the a160 for dividing the a190
clock and switching between the a155's rows at the
same time?

--- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> Hi bakis
> 
> I assume you step down the A190's clock output with
> an A160 clock 
> divider? I like to keep my A160 available for
> switching between the 
> A155's rows. Is there another way?
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hi joe,
> > about your sync problem...i use the clock output
> of
> > the a190 to sync my a155.and the "problem" that i
> have
> > is that the a155 allways starts from the second
> > step.(of course i have the reset out of the a190
> > connected to the input of the a155...).i sync my
> a155
> > to my old atari st.but it's not a real problem as
> it
> > allways starts from the second step,everything
> else is
> > o.k..it might be that i have my a190 connected to
> midi
> > with my atari after a very long midichain.
> > why don't you use the clock out of the a190??
> > bakis.
> > 
> > --- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > I tried out the Shepard generator when I first
> got
> > > the A191, but I'm 
> > > sorry not to have any creative thoughts
> regarding it
> > > - I haven't 
> > > switched the A191 to Shepard mode since then.
> The
> > > Midi/CV sockets and 
> > > the Midi-synced LFOs are far too useful to me. I
> > > consider the A190/191 
> > > to be a single integrated Midi interface, and I
> > > can't imagine trying 
> > > to get by with just the A190 alone.
> > > 
> > > A thought occurred to me about my sync problem.
> My
> > > previous master 
> > > clock source might have been confusing the A191
> in
> > > some mysterious 
> > > way, sometimes leaving it in phase, sometimes
> out of
> > > phase. Perhaps it 
> > > was in the "out of phase" state when I switched
> over
> > > to the Regelwerk. 
> > > I'm going to temporarily re-connect the original
> > > clock source, and try 
> > > to get the A191 back to the "in phase" state. If
> > > that doesn't work, 
> > > I'll directly email Doepfer about the problem.
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros
> > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > hi and wellcome to the list!
> > > > i wish i could help but,i don't have an
> a191...
> > > > by the way,as you have this module,tell us
> ,have
> > > you
> > > > used the shepard generator??any creative
> > > thoughts??
> > > > synthfreak
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
> > http://greetings.yahoo.com
> 
> 


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hi joe,
glad that everything is in sync now...now you see what
a user's guide is for...(especially for all the
functions of the a190...)i,also,have to read the
user's guide for the a112,as it's very,very
complicated for a module without a display...
and about my atari...still going strong after all
these years...
bakis.

--- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> Okay bakis, I went back and read the A190 User's
> Guide. Funny I've 
> been ignoring that CLOCK menu all this time, there
> it is right on the 
> front panel!
> 
> Now I have the A190's clock patched to the A155
> sequencer, and the 
> A191's LFO pulse patched to the A150 switch.
> Everything is in sync. 
> The fact that the A191 is out of phase makes the
> switch work 
> correctly. The A191 pulse starts LOW, so the switch
> starts at I/O1, 
> then after 8 sequencer steps the pulse goes HIGH and
> the switch goes 
> to I/O2. I wonder if I hallucinated the A191 ever
> being in phase 
> before?
> 
> I don't need the Clock Divider or the Trigger
> Modifier with this 
> setup. The only glitch is:
> 
> ******************************
> The A155 now starts at step 2!
> ******************************
> 
> I guess it isn't the long Midi chain from your Atari
> causing that.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe"
> <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > Hi bakis
> > 
> > I assume you step down the A190's clock output
> with an A160 clock 
> > divider? I like to keep my A160 available for
> switching between the 
> > A155's rows. Is there another way?
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > hi joe,
> > > about your sync problem...i use the clock output
> of
> > > the a190 to sync my a155.and the "problem" that
> i have
> > > is that the a155 allways starts from the second
> > > step.(of course i have the reset out of the a190
> > > connected to the input of the a155...).i sync my
> a155
> > > to my old atari st.but it's not a real problem
> as it
> > > allways starts from the second step,everything
> else is
> > > o.k..it might be that i have my a190 connected
> to midi
> > > with my atari after a very long midichain.
> > > why don't you use the clock out of the a190??
> > > bakis.
> > > 
> > > --- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > > I tried out the Shepard generator when I first
> got
> > > > the A191, but I'm 
> > > > sorry not to have any creative thoughts
> regarding it
> > > > - I haven't 
> > > > switched the A191 to Shepard mode since then.
> The
> > > > Midi/CV sockets and 
> > > > the Midi-synced LFOs are far too useful to me.
> I
> > > > consider the A190/191 
> > > > to be a single integrated Midi interface, and
> I
> > > > can't imagine trying 
> > > > to get by with just the A190 alone.
> > > > 
> > > > A thought occurred to me about my sync
> problem. My
> > > > previous master 
> > > > clock source might have been confusing the
> A191 in
> > > > some mysterious 
> > > > way, sometimes leaving it in phase, sometimes
> out of
> > > > phase. Perhaps it 
> > > > was in the "out of phase" state when I
> switched over
> > > > to the Regelwerk. 
> > > > I'm going to temporarily re-connect the
> original
> > > > clock source, and try 
> > > > to get the A191 back to the "in phase" state.
> If
> > > > that doesn't work, 
> > > > I'll directly email Doepfer about the problem.
> > > > 
> > > > Joe
> > > > 
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros
> > > > <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > > > hi and wellcome to the list!
> > > > > i wish i could help but,i don't have an
> a191...
> > > > > by the way,as you have this module,tell us
> ,have
> > > > you
> > > > > used the shepard generator??any creative
> > > > thoughts??
> > > > > synthfreak
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > =====
> > > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > > athens-greece
> > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> > > 
> > >
> __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online!
> > > http://greetings.yahoo.com
> 
> 


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