Doepfer

Hello,

last year I purchased an A-100P9 case, being sure that the modules would be totally safe during transport. Recently someone discouraged me to let the case to travel down into the baggage hold of the airplanes. He was not providing clear motivations, hinting at possible electric shocks due to unspecified magnetic fields into the airplane cargo. The result is that he caused anxiety into my heart concerning the modules safety during airplane trips. 

So I thought this mailing list might be the right place where to find the proper answer: is there a real risk to cause damages if the A-100P9 case is sent into the airplane baggage hold?

Best, Diego

I have never heard of such a problem (I can speak only for A-100 modules,
not for modules from other manufacturers). All modules to our dealers in
USA, Canada, Japan and so on are shipped via air cargo. But I'd strictly
recommend to use the carton and the foam corners that come with the A-100
case for airplane cargo transportation.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> Hello,
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> last year I purchased an A-100P9 case, being sure that the
> modules would be totally safe during transport. Recently someone
> discouraged me to let the case to travel down into the baggage
> hold of the airplanes. He was not providing clear motivations,
> hinting at possible electric shocks due to unspecified magnetic
> fields into the airplane cargo. The result is that he caused
> anxiety into my heart concerning the modules safety during
> airplane trips.
>
> So I thought this mailing list might be the right place where to
> find the proper answer: is there a real risk to cause damages if
> the A-100P9 case is sent into the airplane baggage hold?
>
> Best, Diego

Hi Diego

On 22.02.17 09:37 , Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr [Doepfer_a100] wrote:
> is there a real risk to cause damages if the A-100P9 case is sent into the airplane baggage hold?
If there is any risk, then it is the risk of mechanical damage. A case 
like the A-100P9 may be called "flight"-case, but in fact it will not 
stand, what a real flight case like a Pelicase, would stand.

And the danger is, that the movers in the airport thinks "aaah looks 
like stable", so they handle it without any care. A friend of mine is 
flying twice a month to gigs. After some experiences with half crashed 
cases he now packs his A-100 case (and other cases) in a normal 
softbags. This way the gear looks like a normal bags and the movers will 
handle it with more care.

Florian

On 22.02.17 11:33 , Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de 
[Doepfer_a100] wrote:
> ...in a normal softbags. This way the gear looks like a normal bags...
Sorry for the awful grammar, I first wrote the phrases in singular and 
then changed it to plural, but forgot to remove the pronouns...

I would NEVER trust a P6 case to baggage handlers. They will see the road case and treat it like a road case. I have had traveling musician friends who have seen their multi-guitar road cases dropped off the planes loading ramp. They have had them come looking great on the outside but with stuff smashed in the inside from drops and inertia. The great thing about the P6 is that it is under the carry-on size limits of almost all airlines there are. Carry it on if you want it to survive. Otherwise buy a large Pelican case and pack it surrounded by foam. Don’t gamble with your gear. Checking it in as baggage is taking a big gamble for sure.
-James
James Husted, Designer, Synthwerks LLC • www.synthwerks.com • james@synthwerks.com • info@synthwerks.com

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 3:33 AM, Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> On 22.02.17 11:33 , Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de 
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>> ...in a normal softbags. This way the gear looks like a normal bags...
> Sorry for the awful grammar, I first wrote the phrases in singular and 
> then changed it to plural, but forgot to remove the pronouns...
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I understan the oddness of putting a P6 in a Pelican case. A bit of an overkill. The advantage is that you can get a Pelican big enough for the P6 and some extra small gear. I typically carry the mixer and effects and all my cables and power supplies and a skiff or two in the Pelican and carry on the P6. The Pelican with the extending handles and wheels makes a perfect carrier for the P6 when you get to where you have to go too.
-James

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Dear Florian,
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> thanks for the useful hint, your english is good to me and is very good compared to mine!
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> I also thank James who replied while I am writing… 
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> I would conclude that the case is a kind of tricky bag, giving the impression of sturdiness (but not) and so inviting to treat it bad…! 
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> I would carry it on by hand but I will not be able because I will have other hand baggage for music as well.
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> Big problem.
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> The pelican case? Yes, though it sounds a bit redundant :-) a flight case into a pelican… at least there's a lot for flying imagination, hoping to find the proper sizes pelican…
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> Best of the best,
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> Diego
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> Il giorno 22/feb/2017, alle ore 12:33, Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de <mailto:fanwander@mnet-online.de> [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>> ha scritto:
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>> On 22.02.17 11:33 , Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de <mailto:fanwander@mnet-online.de> 
>> [Doepfer_a100] wrote:
>> > ...in a normal softbags. This way the gear looks like a normal bags...
>> Sorry for the awful grammar, I first wrote the phrases in singular and 
>> then changed it to plural, but forgot to remove the pronouns...
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Hi Diego

Am 22.02.2017 um 22:05 schrieb Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr [Doepfer_a100]:
> the Peli case would be the best option
I would think once again about the dead simple (and not very costy) 
trick, to put the P9 into a cheap travel bag or suitcase. This way it 
looks like a normal luggage and won't be dropped around that ugly as the 
movers would do with a road case. A cheap suitcase costs around 40 Euro, 
a Pelicase costs 400 Euro.

Florian

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Florian, unbelievable, I was just thinking the same… If you already know any bag that might fit the sizes, please tell me, the Peli case could be used to transport other gear indeed, though i can't afford it for now.

Il giorno 23/feb/2017, alle ore 10:19, "Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [Doepfer_a100]" <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:

> Hi Diego
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> Am 22.02.2017 um 22:05 schrieb Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr [Doepfer_a100]:
>> the Peli case would be the best option
> I would think once again about the dead simple (and not very costy) 
> trick, to put the P9 into a cheap travel bag or suitcase. This way it 
> looks like a normal luggage and won't be dropped around that ugly as the 
> movers would do with a road case. A cheap suitcase costs around 40 Euro, 
> a Pelicase costs 400 Euro.
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Hello Diego

Am 23.02.2017 um 10:44 schrieb Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr [Doepfer_a100]:
> Florian, unbelievable, I was just thinking the same… If you already know any bag that might fit the sizes, please tell me,
I don't know a dedicated suitcase, but I search shortly toreassure the 
prices before I write them. As the P9 case is 48cm x 46cm you need a 
quite large suitcase (75cm long), because most of the modest ones are 
only 40cm - 45cm wide. A P6 would be only 34cm x 46cm, so you can use 
much smaller suitcases.

Another idea: There are covers for loudspeakers, one might use. Just as 
an example:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/db_technologies_loudspeaker_covers.html

Florian

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The case I use is a Pelican 1610 and has an internal dimension of 21.78”x16.69”x10.62” (the lid is 2” deep) and on Amazon they go for ~$200 (189 euros) and sell with no foam (the 1610NF) for $180 (170 Euros) and used even cheaper. Not as cheap as standard luggage, but very convenient to move around since it has an extendable handle and wheels which a suitcase doesn’t. My back paid for that convenience in a second. Also, though not usually needed, they are totally waterproof. They also have built in places for TSA or other locks.

http://www.thepelicanstore.com/pelican-1610-case-1020.aspx

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=pelican+1610+cases

-J

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:19 AM, Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Hi Diego
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> Am 22.02.2017 um 22:05 schrieb Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr [Doepfer_a100]:
>> the Peli case would be the best option
> I would think once again about the dead simple (and not very costy) 
> trick, to put the P9 into a cheap travel bag or suitcase. This way it 
> looks like a normal luggage and won't be dropped around that ugly as the 
> movers would do with a road case. A cheap suitcase costs around 40 Euro, 
> a Pelicase costs 400 Euro.
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Just a remark

>  Pelican 1610

The 1610 is too small for a A-100P9, you need a 1630, which costs in 
average 425 Euros incl foam.

Florian, again thanks for the precious support

Best, 
Diego


Il giorno 24/feb/2017, alle ore 09:10, Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:

> Just a remark
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>> Pelican 1610
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> The 1610 is too small for a A-100P9, you need a 1630, which costs in 
> average 425 Euros incl foam.
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