Doepfer

I have to agree with Dieter about people building kits, as many 
aspiring DIY'ers don't have the skill or patience to finish a single 
module, let alone enough modules to create a small synth.  Having 
said that, it looks like a few of us here do not fall into that camp.

I understand (and agree) that Dieter must protect the Doepfer name 
and reputation, and try to keep disassociated from crappy DIY jobs.  
With that in mind, what about selling pre-drilled and printed front 
panels, (and since I'm assuming that the printing for these panels 
will also stipulated when ordered) but instead of the Doepfer logo 
either have no name, or an alternate name to denote that it is a DIY 
project of some description.

Another idea would be to sell front panels with only pre-drilled 
holes and scales printed on the front panel (i.e. no module 
name/number, and no company name).  That way, one could purchase 
a "generic" front panel that's still useable.

Regards,
Kevin


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> 
> --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@d...> wrote:
> > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@d...>
> > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] yes to Blank paneRe: The
> > most advancedAttenuator yet
> > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:11:19 +0200
> > 
> > ----> Please forward to the group
> > 
> > > I don't see why Doepfer shouldn't be able to sell
> > pre drilled plates and
> > > kits if they wanted to. They have all the
> > components and all they have to do
> > > is NOT mount them ;) That would be very useful.
> > 
> > There are some remarks to this messages (and similar
> > ones):
> > 
> > It is not that easy as suggested in this message to
> > offer plates and parts.
> > Normally we do only the development in our company.
> > The production of the
> > modules is made by a external production company.
> > This includes manufacturing pc
> > boards, front panels, cable assembly and all
> > standard electronic parts (like
> > resistors, capacitors, diodes, transistors, standard
> > integrated circuits, pin
> > headers and so on). We only deliver special parts to
> > the production company
> > (e.g. the jack sockets, potentiometers, knobs and
> > special integrated circuits
> > like CEM or SSM).
> > 
> > And I have to emphasize that we made some very bad
> > experiences with kits (we
> > offered kits until about ~ 1998) and selling single
> > special parts like front
> > panels or cases:
> > 1. Many customers overestimated themselves and
> > converted "kits to garbage". E.g.
> > wrong soldering iron were used so that the pcb
> > tracks removed, wrong assembly of
> > parts, and many many mistakes we never would have
> > imagined (one customer
> > soldered all parts without shortening the legs of
> > resistors, capacitors, diodes
> > and so on - it looked like an "electronic" garden,
> > but of course it did not
> > work).
> > 
> > But the main problem was another one: We received
> > many second-hand devices for
> > repair. After checking out the device we found that
> > it was a kit built very
> > unprofessional. The second-hand customers were
> > surprised very unpleasantly as
> > they assumed to have purchased a regular Doepfer
> > product. When they were told
> > that they purchased an unprofessional assembled kit
> > many were very angry even
> > against and insisted on a repair free of charge.
> > They were of the opinion that
> > we were guilty for this affair as they were not able
> > to distinguish between a
> > regular product and an unprofessional assembled kit.
> > 
> > So we will definitely not offer kits or single front
> > panels or cases to avoid
> > such problems.
> > 
> > But in one of the messages there was another idea
> > that I would approve, i.e. to
> > develop an universal front panel and pc board for
> > DIY applications. The problem
> > is the layout of the front panel (e.g. 8HP, 5 rotary
> > knobs with 5 jack sockets
> > as many of the modules) and the features of the pcb
> > ? I see a lot of new
> > discussion ....
> > We could offer such a neutral front panel (e.g. only
> > scales for rotary knobs, no
> > DOEPFER logo) and pc board only for DIY applictions.
> > No confusions could occur
> > as we will not offer a ready built module based on
> > this front panel/pcb.
> > 
> > If there is an agreement in the group concerning the
> > front panel and pcb design
> > we could offer these parts. The main problem is that
> > to get a acceptable price
> > we have to order at least 100 (better 250 or 500) of
> > these parts. So pre-orders
> > of a minimum of about 50 pcs would be necessary for
> > us. I think the price for
> > the front panel (stamped and printed) and pcb would
> > be approximately in the 25
> > Euro range. We also could publish the pcb layout
> > file (Eagle format) and the
> > front panel file (Corel Draw format) so that
> > customers could do modifications if
> > desired. A basic version of Eagle is available as
> > freeware in the internet
> > (www.cadsoft.de).
> > 
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> 
> __________________________________________________
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--- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:
> From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@doepfer.de>
> To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] yes to Blank paneRe: The
> most advancedAttenuator yet
> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:11:19 +0200
> 
> ----> Please forward to the group
> 
> > I don't see why Doepfer shouldn't be able to sell
> pre drilled plates and
> > kits if they wanted to. They have all the
> components and all they have to do
> > is NOT mount them ;) That would be very useful.
> 
> There are some remarks to this messages (and similar
> ones):
> 
> It is not that easy as suggested in this message to
> offer plates and parts.
> Normally we do only the development in our company.
> The production of the
> modules is made by a external production company.
> This includes manufacturing pc
> boards, front panels, cable assembly and all
> standard electronic parts (like
> resistors, capacitors, diodes, transistors, standard
> integrated circuits, pin
> headers and so on). We only deliver special parts to
> the production company
> (e.g. the jack sockets, potentiometers, knobs and
> special integrated circuits
> like CEM or SSM).
> 
> And I have to emphasize that we made some very bad
> experiences with kits (we
> offered kits until about ~ 1998) and selling single
> special parts like front
> panels or cases:
> 1. Many customers overestimated themselves and
> converted "kits to garbage". E.g.
> wrong soldering iron were used so that the pcb
> tracks removed, wrong assembly of
> parts, and many many mistakes we never would have
> imagined (one customer
> soldered all parts without shortening the legs of
> resistors, capacitors, diodes
> and so on - it looked like an "electronic" garden,
> but of course it did not
> work).
> 
> But the main problem was another one: We received
> many second-hand devices for
> repair. After checking out the device we found that
> it was a kit built very
> unprofessional. The second-hand customers were
> surprised very unpleasantly as
> they assumed to have purchased a regular Doepfer
> product. When they were told
> that they purchased an unprofessional assembled kit
> many were very angry even
> against and insisted on a repair free of charge.
> They were of the opinion that
> we were guilty for this affair as they were not able
> to distinguish between a
> regular product and an unprofessional assembled kit.
> 
> So we will definitely not offer kits or single front
> panels or cases to avoid
> such problems.
> 
> But in one of the messages there was another idea
> that I would approve, i.e. to
> develop an universal front panel and pc board for
> DIY applications. The problem
> is the layout of the front panel (e.g. 8HP, 5 rotary
> knobs with 5 jack sockets
> as many of the modules) and the features of the pcb
> ? I see a lot of new
> discussion ....
> We could offer such a neutral front panel (e.g. only
> scales for rotary knobs, no
> DOEPFER logo) and pc board only for DIY applictions.
> No confusions could occur
> as we will not offer a ready built module based on
> this front panel/pcb.
> 
> If there is an agreement in the group concerning the
> front panel and pcb design
> we could offer these parts. The main problem is that
> to get a acceptable price
> we have to order at least 100 (better 250 or 500) of
> these parts. So pre-orders
> of a minimum of about 50 pcs would be necessary for
> us. I think the price for
> the front panel (stamped and printed) and pcb would
> be approximately in the 25
> Euro range. We also could publish the pcb layout
> file (Eagle format) and the
> front panel file (Corel Draw format) so that
> customers could do modifications if
> desired. A basic version of Eagle is available as
> freeware in the internet
> (www.cadsoft.de).
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 


=====
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athens-greece
[Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator

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Don't get me wrong.  I'd really like to see some Doepfer kits, but 
Dieter has to protect his company's reputation.  Anyone have an idea?

Regards,
Kevin

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Lindholm" 
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> It seemed that I overrated the actually manufacturing by Doepfer 
in this
> globalized world. So I seems a bit trickier to manufacture kits. 
And I fully
> understand the problem with secondhand kits that people sell as 
genuin
> Doepfer gear. Technically speaking that isn't not the 
responsiblity of
> Doepfer and no matter how rude they act such claims should be 
ignored. But
> that aside I understand that Doepfer doesn't want that to happend 
anyway
> cause it is always not worth it to keep fending off morons. So I 
fully
> understand that Doepfer don't want to make kits. I wonder how the 
other
> brands that sell kits deals with theese problems:/
> 
> Kevins ideas for nologo panels could perhaps help a bit as could 
could pcbs
> without logos, but I suspect some scoundrels might try to sell 
them as the
> real thing too. And also customizing the parts for DIYkits would 
make them
> more expensive due to smaller series. So it seems to me that there 
is sort
> of a dead end here. A shame, but one I can live with since I am 
probably a
> guy that would make a module od the "electronic garden style" ;)
> 
> So even though I'd like to try a kit just for the education about 
it I'd
> rather buy an attenuator module!
> 
> /Andreas
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@d...> wrote:
> > > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@d...>
> > > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] yes to Blank paneRe: The
> > > most advancedAttenuator yet
> > > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:11:19 +0200
> > >
> > > ----> Please forward to the group
> > >
> > > > I don't see why Doepfer shouldn't be able to sell
> > > pre drilled plates and
> > > > kits if they wanted to. They have all the
> > > components and all they have to do
> > > > is NOT mount them ;) That would be very useful.
> > >
> > > There are some remarks to this messages (and similar
> > > ones):
> > >
> > > It is not that easy as suggested in this message to
> > > offer plates and parts.
> > > Normally we do only the development in our company.
> > > The production of the
> > > modules is made by a external production company.
> > > This includes manufacturing pc
> > > boards, front panels, cable assembly and all
> > > standard electronic parts (like
> > > resistors, capacitors, diodes, transistors, standard
> > > integrated circuits, pin
> > > headers and so on). We only deliver special parts to
> > > the production company
> > > (e.g. the jack sockets, potentiometers, knobs and
> > > special integrated circuits
> > > like CEM or SSM).
> > >
> > > And I have to emphasize that we made some very bad
> > > experiences with kits (we
> > > offered kits until about ~ 1998) and selling single
> > > special parts like front
> > > panels or cases:
> > > 1. Many customers overestimated themselves and
> > > converted "kits to garbage". E.g.
> > > wrong soldering iron were used so that the pcb
> > > tracks removed, wrong assembly of
> > > parts, and many many mistakes we never would have
> > > imagined (one customer
> > > soldered all parts without shortening the legs of
> > > resistors, capacitors, diodes
> > > and so on - it looked like an "electronic" garden,
> > > but of course it did not
> > > work).
> > >
> > > But the main problem was another one: We received
> > > many second-hand devices for
> > > repair. After checking out the device we found that
> > > it was a kit built very
> > > unprofessional. The second-hand customers were
> > > surprised very unpleasantly as
> > > they assumed to have purchased a regular Doepfer
> > > product. When they were told
> > > that they purchased an unprofessional assembled kit
> > > many were very angry even
> > > against and insisted on a repair free of charge.
> > > They were of the opinion that
> > > we were guilty for this affair as they were not able
> > > to distinguish between a
> > > regular product and an unprofessional assembled kit.
> > >
> > > So we will definitely not offer kits or single front
> > > panels or cases to avoid
> > > such problems.
> > >
> > > But in one of the messages there was another idea
> > > that I would approve, i.e. to
> > > develop an universal front panel and pc board for
> > > DIY applications. The problem
> > > is the layout of the front panel (e.g. 8HP, 5 rotary
> > > knobs with 5 jack sockets
> > > as many of the modules) and the features of the pcb
> > > ? I see a lot of new
> > > discussion ....
> > > We could offer such a neutral front panel (e.g. only
> > > scales for rotary knobs, no
> > > DOEPFER logo) and pc board only for DIY applictions.
> > > No confusions could occur
> > > as we will not offer a ready built module based on
> > > this front panel/pcb.
> > >
> > > If there is an agreement in the group concerning the
> > > front panel and pcb design
> > > we could offer these parts. The main problem is that
> > > to get a acceptable price
> > > we have to order at least 100 (better 250 or 500) of
> > > these parts. So pre-orders
> > > of a minimum of about 50 pcs would be necessary for
> > > us. I think the price for
> > > the front panel (stamped and printed) and pcb would
> > > be approximately in the 25
> > > Euro range. We also could publish the pcb layout
> > > file (Eagle format) and the
> > > front panel file (Corel Draw format) so that
> > > customers could do modifications if
> > > desired. A basic version of Eagle is available as
> > > freeware in the internet
> > > (www.cadsoft.de).
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > > Dieter Doepfer
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> >
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> >
> >
> >

It seemed that I overrated the actually manufacturing by Doepfer in this
globalized world. So I seems a bit trickier to manufacture kits. And I fully
understand the problem with secondhand kits that people sell as genuin
Doepfer gear. Technically speaking that isn't not the responsiblity of
Doepfer and no matter how rude they act such claims should be ignored. But
that aside I understand that Doepfer doesn't want that to happend anyway
cause it is always not worth it to keep fending off morons. So I fully
understand that Doepfer don't want to make kits. I wonder how the other
brands that sell kits deals with theese problems:/

Kevins ideas for nologo panels could perhaps help a bit as could could pcbs
without logos, but I suspect some scoundrels might try to sell them as the
real thing too. And also customizing the parts for DIYkits would make them
more expensive due to smaller series. So it seems to me that there is sort
of a dead end here. A shame, but one I can live with since I am probably a
guy that would make a module od the "electronic garden style" ;)

So even though I'd like to try a kit just for the education about it I'd
rather buy an attenuator module!

/Andreas

>
> --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:
> > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@doepfer.de>
> > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] yes to Blank paneRe: The
> > most advancedAttenuator yet
> > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:11:19 +0200
> >
> > ----> Please forward to the group
> >
> > > I don't see why Doepfer shouldn't be able to sell
> > pre drilled plates and
> > > kits if they wanted to. They have all the
> > components and all they have to do
> > > is NOT mount them ;) That would be very useful.
> >
> > There are some remarks to this messages (and similar
> > ones):
> >
> > It is not that easy as suggested in this message to
> > offer plates and parts.
> > Normally we do only the development in our company.
> > The production of the
> > modules is made by a external production company.
> > This includes manufacturing pc
> > boards, front panels, cable assembly and all
> > standard electronic parts (like
> > resistors, capacitors, diodes, transistors, standard
> > integrated circuits, pin
> > headers and so on). We only deliver special parts to
> > the production company
> > (e.g. the jack sockets, potentiometers, knobs and
> > special integrated circuits
> > like CEM or SSM).
> >
> > And I have to emphasize that we made some very bad
> > experiences with kits (we
> > offered kits until about ~ 1998) and selling single
> > special parts like front
> > panels or cases:
> > 1. Many customers overestimated themselves and
> > converted "kits to garbage". E.g.
> > wrong soldering iron were used so that the pcb
> > tracks removed, wrong assembly of
> > parts, and many many mistakes we never would have
> > imagined (one customer
> > soldered all parts without shortening the legs of
> > resistors, capacitors, diodes
> > and so on - it looked like an "electronic" garden,
> > but of course it did not
> > work).
> >
> > But the main problem was another one: We received
> > many second-hand devices for
> > repair. After checking out the device we found that
> > it was a kit built very
> > unprofessional. The second-hand customers were
> > surprised very unpleasantly as
> > they assumed to have purchased a regular Doepfer
> > product. When they were told
> > that they purchased an unprofessional assembled kit
> > many were very angry even
> > against and insisted on a repair free of charge.
> > They were of the opinion that
> > we were guilty for this affair as they were not able
> > to distinguish between a
> > regular product and an unprofessional assembled kit.
> >
> > So we will definitely not offer kits or single front
> > panels or cases to avoid
> > such problems.
> >
> > But in one of the messages there was another idea
> > that I would approve, i.e. to
> > develop an universal front panel and pc board for
> > DIY applications. The problem
> > is the layout of the front panel (e.g. 8HP, 5 rotary
> > knobs with 5 jack sockets
> > as many of the modules) and the features of the pcb
> > ? I see a lot of new
> > discussion ....
> > We could offer such a neutral front panel (e.g. only
> > scales for rotary knobs, no
> > DOEPFER logo) and pc board only for DIY applictions.
> > No confusions could occur
> > as we will not offer a ready built module based on
> > this front panel/pcb.
> >
> > If there is an agreement in the group concerning the
> > front panel and pcb design
> > we could offer these parts. The main problem is that
> > to get a acceptable price
> > we have to order at least 100 (better 250 or 500) of
> > these parts. So pre-orders
> > of a minimum of about 50 pcs would be necessary for
> > us. I think the price for
> > the front panel (stamped and printed) and pcb would
> > be approximately in the 25
> > Euro range. We also could publish the pcb layout
> > file (Eagle format) and the
> > front panel file (Corel Draw format) so that
> > customers could do modifications if
> > desired. A basic version of Eagle is available as
> > freeware in the internet
> > (www.cadsoft.de).
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
>
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
>
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>

Well, if we are going thatta way.
I could imagine two types of these, 

186a : 5 knobs,5 switches and 10 jack sockets and maybe a big 25 D 
connector so you can connect up to whatever experimentation board 
you'd want to use. Of course connected to the power supply with some 
sort of shortout protection. 

When the 'experiment' turns out valid I'd imagine 

186b : Same knobs, switches and sockets but now internally a 
standardized card slot in which a custom print could be inserted. The 
card slot connections could be standardized like the D connector.

It could be called something like A186a/b DIY module ;-)

I'd imagine the circuit protection would be a hassle, and I suppose 
there'd be some warranty issues here. But it sure would open up 
experimenting when your not a soldering god (like me)

Sure am curious how this thread will turn out!

Greetz,
Patrick

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "code_pig" <code_pig@y...> wrote:
> Don't get me wrong.  I'd really like to see some Doepfer kits, but 
> Dieter has to protect his company's reputation.  Anyone have an 
idea?

> 
> Regards,
> Kevin

It would be a great idea for Doepfer to offer blank panels without 
the Doepfer logo.  I would definitely buy several of them if 
offered.  The idea of a 5 jack, 5 pot 8hp panel sounds perfect too.  
Please do it.
It's funny.  I was wishing for this exact thing just this week.  Even 
for people who don't want to build their own circuits, this would 
allows us to adopt modules from other manufacturers that are not 
offered by Doepfer to our systems. (I personally want to add Buchla 
style low pass gates to my system.)  
In order to maximize the chance of this actually happening, lets not 
make it too complpicated.  8hp 5 knob, 5 jack panels sound perfect.  
Please do this Mr. Doepfer.  
While we're on the subject of Buchla style low pass gates, Would 
Doepfer consider actually manufacturing one?  The circuit must be in 
the public domain, and seems to be well known.  It has to be done 
with vactrols, just like the original.  The slow response is an 
important part of the sound.  Is anybody else interested in this?


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> 
> --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@d...> wrote:
> > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@d...>
> > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] yes to Blank paneRe: The
> > most advancedAttenuator yet
> > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:11:19 +0200
> > 
> > ----> Please forward to the group
> > 
> > > I don't see why Doepfer shouldn't be able to sell
> > pre drilled plates and
> > > kits if they wanted to. They have all the
> > components and all they have to do
> > > is NOT mount them ;) That would be very useful.
> > 
> > There are some remarks to this messages (and similar
> > ones):
> > 
> > It is not that easy as suggested in this message to
> > offer plates and parts.
> > Normally we do only the development in our company.
> > The production of the
> > modules is made by a external production company.
> > This includes manufacturing pc
> > boards, front panels, cable assembly and all
> > standard electronic parts (like
> > resistors, capacitors, diodes, transistors, standard
> > integrated circuits, pin
> > headers and so on). We only deliver special parts to
> > the production company
> > (e.g. the jack sockets, potentiometers, knobs and
> > special integrated circuits
> > like CEM or SSM).
> > 
> > And I have to emphasize that we made some very bad
> > experiences with kits (we
> > offered kits until about ~ 1998) and selling single
> > special parts like front
> > panels or cases:
> > 1. Many customers overestimated themselves and
> > converted "kits to garbage". E.g.
> > wrong soldering iron were used so that the pcb
> > tracks removed, wrong assembly of
> > parts, and many many mistakes we never would have
> > imagined (one customer
> > soldered all parts without shortening the legs of
> > resistors, capacitors, diodes
> > and so on - it looked like an "electronic" garden,
> > but of course it did not
> > work).
> > 
> > But the main problem was another one: We received
> > many second-hand devices for
> > repair. After checking out the device we found that
> > it was a kit built very
> > unprofessional. The second-hand customers were
> > surprised very unpleasantly as
> > they assumed to have purchased a regular Doepfer
> > product. When they were told
> > that they purchased an unprofessional assembled kit
> > many were very angry even
> > against and insisted on a repair free of charge.
> > They were of the opinion that
> > we were guilty for this affair as they were not able
> > to distinguish between a
> > regular product and an unprofessional assembled kit.
> > 
> > So we will definitely not offer kits or single front
> > panels or cases to avoid
> > such problems.
> > 
> > But in one of the messages there was another idea
> > that I would approve, i.e. to
> > develop an universal front panel and pc board for
> > DIY applications. The problem
> > is the layout of the front panel (e.g. 8HP, 5 rotary
> > knobs with 5 jack sockets
> > as many of the modules) and the features of the pcb
> > ? I see a lot of new
> > discussion ....
> > We could offer such a neutral front panel (e.g. only
> > scales for rotary knobs, no
> > DOEPFER logo) and pc board only for DIY applictions.
> > No confusions could occur
> > as we will not offer a ready built module based on
> > this front panel/pcb.
> > 
> > If there is an agreement in the group concerning the
> > front panel and pcb design
> > we could offer these parts. The main problem is that
> > to get a acceptable price
> > we have to order at least 100 (better 250 or 500) of
> > these parts. So pre-orders
> > of a minimum of about 50 pcs would be necessary for
> > us. I think the price for
> > the front panel (stamped and printed) and pcb would
> > be approximately in the 25
> > Euro range. We also could publish the pcb layout
> > file (Eagle format) and the
> > front panel file (Corel Draw format) so that
> > customers could do modifications if
> > desired. A basic version of Eagle is available as
> > freeware in the internet
> > (www.cadsoft.de).
> > 
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
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> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> 
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Buchla style LP/vactrol gates?  I'm in... I mean, yes please.

Regards,
Kevin

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "shm1400" <shm14@h...> wrote:
> It would be a great idea for Doepfer to offer blank panels without 
> the Doepfer logo.  I would definitely buy several of them if 
> offered.  The idea of a 5 jack, 5 pot 8hp panel sounds perfect 
too.  
> Please do it.
> It's funny.  I was wishing for this exact thing just this week.  
Even 
> for people who don't want to build their own circuits, this would 
> allows us to adopt modules from other manufacturers that are not 
> offered by Doepfer to our systems. (I personally want to add 
Buchla 
> style low pass gates to my system.)  
> In order to maximize the chance of this actually happening, lets 
not 
> make it too complpicated.  8hp 5 knob, 5 jack panels sound 
perfect.  
> Please do this Mr. Doepfer.  
> While we're on the subject of Buchla style low pass gates, Would 
> Doepfer consider actually manufacturing one?  The circuit must be 
in 

> the public domain, and seems to be well known.  It has to be done 
> with vactrols, just like the original.  The slow response is an 
> important part of the sound.  Is anybody else interested in this?
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@d...> wrote:
> > > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@d...>
> > > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] yes to Blank paneRe: The
> > > most advancedAttenuator yet
> > > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:11:19 +0200
> > > 
> > > ----> Please forward to the group
> > > 
> > > > I don't see why Doepfer shouldn't be able to sell
> > > pre drilled plates and
> > > > kits if they wanted to. They have all the
> > > components and all they have to do
> > > > is NOT mount them ;) That would be very useful.
> > > 
> > > There are some remarks to this messages (and similar
> > > ones):
> > > 
> > > It is not that easy as suggested in this message to
> > > offer plates and parts.
> > > Normally we do only the development in our company.
> > > The production of the
> > > modules is made by a external production company.
> > > This includes manufacturing pc
> > > boards, front panels, cable assembly and all
> > > standard electronic parts (like
> > > resistors, capacitors, diodes, transistors, standard
> > > integrated circuits, pin
> > > headers and so on). We only deliver special parts to
> > > the production company
> > > (e.g. the jack sockets, potentiometers, knobs and
> > > special integrated circuits
> > > like CEM or SSM).
> > > 
> > > And I have to emphasize that we made some very bad
> > > experiences with kits (we
> > > offered kits until about ~ 1998) and selling single
> > > special parts like front
> > > panels or cases:
> > > 1. Many customers overestimated themselves and
> > > converted "kits to garbage". E.g.
> > > wrong soldering iron were used so that the pcb
> > > tracks removed, wrong assembly of
> > > parts, and many many mistakes we never would have
> > > imagined (one customer
> > > soldered all parts without shortening the legs of
> > > resistors, capacitors, diodes
> > > and so on - it looked like an "electronic" garden,
> > > but of course it did not
> > > work).
> > > 
> > > But the main problem was another one: We received
> > > many second-hand devices for
> > > repair. After checking out the device we found that
> > > it was a kit built very
> > > unprofessional. The second-hand customers were
> > > surprised very unpleasantly as
> > > they assumed to have purchased a regular Doepfer
> > > product. When they were told
> > > that they purchased an unprofessional assembled kit
> > > many were very angry even
> > > against and insisted on a repair free of charge.
> > > They were of the opinion that
> > > we were guilty for this affair as they were not able
> > > to distinguish between a
> > > regular product and an unprofessional assembled kit.
> > > 
> > > So we will definitely not offer kits or single front
> > > panels or cases to avoid
> > > such problems.
> > > 
> > > But in one of the messages there was another idea
> > > that I would approve, i.e. to
> > > develop an universal front panel and pc board for
> > > DIY applications. The problem
> > > is the layout of the front panel (e.g. 8HP, 5 rotary
> > > knobs with 5 jack sockets
> > > as many of the modules) and the features of the pcb
> > > ? I see a lot of new
> > > discussion ....
> > > We could offer such a neutral front panel (e.g. only
> > > scales for rotary knobs, no
> > > DOEPFER logo) and pc board only for DIY applictions.
> > > No confusions could occur
> > > as we will not offer a ready built module based on
> > > this front panel/pcb.
> > > 
> > > If there is an agreement in the group concerning the
> > > front panel and pcb design
> > > we could offer these parts. The main problem is that
> > > to get a acceptable price
> > > we have to order at least 100 (better 250 or 500) of
> > > these parts. So pre-orders
> > > of a minimum of about 50 pcs would be necessary for
> > > us. I think the price for
> > > the front panel (stamped and printed) and pcb would
> > > be approximately in the 25
> > > Euro range. We also could publish the pcb layout
> > > file (Eagle format) and the
> > > front panel file (Corel Draw format) so that
> > > customers could do modifications if
> > > desired. A basic version of Eagle is available as
> > > freeware in the internet
> > > (www.cadsoft.de).
> > > 
> > > Best wishes
> > > Dieter Doepfer
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
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> > While we're on the subject of Buchla style low pass
> > gates, Would 
> > Doepfer consider actually manufacturing one?  The
> > circuit must be in 
> > the public domain, and seems to be well known.  It
> > has to be done 
> > with vactrols, just like the original.  The slow
> > response is an 
> > important part of the sound.  Is anybody else
> > interested in this?


absolutely!

-psm

hi shm,
ME!!!!i am interested!please manufacture this low pass
gate(AND ALL THE OTHER VACTROL MODULES!!!THAT ARE
PROPOSED IN THE POLLS)---KEEP VOTING ABOUT THEM---
bakis.



--- shm1400 <shm14@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It would be a great idea for Doepfer to offer blank
> panels without 
> the Doepfer logo.  I would definitely buy several of
> them if 
> offered.  The idea of a 5 jack, 5 pot 8hp panel
> sounds perfect too.  
> Please do it.
> It's funny.  I was wishing for this exact thing just
> this week.  Even 
> for people who don't want to build their own
> circuits, this would 
> allows us to adopt modules from other manufacturers
> that are not 
> offered by Doepfer to our systems. (I personally
> want to add Buchla 
> style low pass gates to my system.)  
> In order to maximize the chance of this actually
> happening, lets not 
> make it too complpicated.  8hp 5 knob, 5 jack panels
> sound perfect.  
> Please do this Mr. Doepfer.  
> While we're on the subject of Buchla style low pass
> gates, Would 
> Doepfer consider actually manufacturing one?  The
> circuit must be in 
> the public domain, and seems to be well known.  It
> has to be done 
> with vactrols, just like the original.  The slow
> response is an 
> important part of the sound.  Is anybody else
> interested in this?
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@d...> wrote:
> > > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@d...>
> > > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] yes to Blank paneRe:
> The
> > > most advancedAttenuator yet
> > > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 13:11:19 +0200
> > > 
> > > ----> Please forward to the group
> > > 
> > > > I don't see why Doepfer shouldn't be able to
> sell
> > > pre drilled plates and
> > > > kits if they wanted to. They have all the
> > > components and all they have to do
> > > > is NOT mount them ;) That would be very
> useful.
> > > 
> > > There are some remarks to this messages (and
> similar
> > > ones):
> > > 
> > > It is not that easy as suggested in this message
> to
> > > offer plates and parts.
> > > Normally we do only the development in our
> company.
> > > The production of the
> > > modules is made by a external production
> company.
> > > This includes manufacturing pc
> > > boards, front panels, cable assembly and all
> > > standard electronic parts (like
> > > resistors, capacitors, diodes, transistors,
> standard
> > > integrated circuits, pin
> > > headers and so on). We only deliver special
> parts to
> > > the production company
> > > (e.g. the jack sockets, potentiometers, knobs
> and
> > > special integrated circuits
> > > like CEM or SSM).
> > > 
> > > And I have to emphasize that we made some very
> bad
> > > experiences with kits (we
> > > offered kits until about ~ 1998) and selling
> single
> > > special parts like front
> > > panels or cases:
> > > 1. Many customers overestimated themselves and
> > > converted "kits to garbage". E.g.
> > > wrong soldering iron were used so that the pcb
> > > tracks removed, wrong assembly of
> > > parts, and many many mistakes we never would
> have
> > > imagined (one customer
> > > soldered all parts without shortening the legs
> of
> > > resistors, capacitors, diodes
> > > and so on - it looked like an "electronic"
> garden,
> > > but of course it did not
> > > work).
> > > 
> > > But the main problem was another one: We
> received
> > > many second-hand devices for
> > > repair. After checking out the device we found
> that
> > > it was a kit built very
> > > unprofessional. The second-hand customers were
> > > surprised very unpleasantly as
> > > they assumed to have purchased a regular Doepfer
> > > product. When they were told
> > > that they purchased an unprofessional assembled
> kit
> > > many were very angry even
> > > against and insisted on a repair free of charge.
> > > They were of the opinion that
> > > we were guilty for this affair as they were not
> able
> > > to distinguish between a
> > > regular product and an unprofessional assembled
> kit.
> > > 
> > > So we will definitely not offer kits or single
> front
> > > panels or cases to avoid
> > > such problems.
> > > 
> > > But in one of the messages there was another
> idea
> > > that I would approve, i.e. to
> > > develop an universal front panel and pc board
> for
> > > DIY applications. The problem
> > > is the layout of the front panel (e.g. 8HP, 5
> rotary
> > > knobs with 5 jack sockets
> > > as many of the modules) and the features of the
> pcb
> > > ? I see a lot of new
> > > discussion ....
> > > We could offer such a neutral front panel (e.g.
> only
> > > scales for rotary knobs, no
> > > DOEPFER logo) and pc board only for DIY
> applictions.
> > > No confusions could occur
> > > as we will not offer a ready built module based
> on
> > > this front panel/pcb.
> > > 
> > > If there is an agreement in the group concerning
> the
> > > front panel and pcb design
> > > we could offer these parts. The main problem is
> that
> > > to get a acceptable price
> > > we have to order at least 100 (better 250 or
> 500) of
> > > these parts. So pre-orders
> > > of a minimum of about 50 pcs would be necessary
> for
> > > us. I think the price for
> > > the front panel (stamped and printed) and pcb
> would
> > > be approximately in the 25
> > > Euro range. We also could publish the pcb layout
> > > file (Eagle format) and the
> > > front panel file (Corel Draw format) so that
> > > customers could do modifications if
> > > desired. A basic version of Eagle is available
> as
> > > freeware in the internet
> > > (www.cadsoft.de).
> > > 
> > > Best wishes
> > > Dieter Doepfer
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
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> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> > 
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Well, I have a Wiard Borg filter (which is a dual filter), which is 
sort of based on the Buchla Low Pass Gate and the MS20 filter 
(hench the name B-uchla + k-ORG). It's a FANTASTIC sounding 
filter! However, it might do Doepfer good to make a vactrol filter, 
since Wiard is discontinuing the series... Just a thought...

-andrew bunny

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "shm1400" <shm14@h...> wrote:
> While we're on the subject of Buchla style low pass gates, Would 
> Doepfer consider actually manufacturing one?  The circuit must be 
> the public domain, and seems to be well known.  It has to be done 
> with vactrols, just like the original.  The slow response is an 
> important part of the sound.  Is anybody else interested in this?

Low pass gates would be awesome!

Anything based on Buchla designs
has my vote.

Ethan

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "ps_minor" <pscottm@h...> wrote:
> > > While we're on the subject of Buchla style low pass
> > > gates, Would 
> > > Doepfer consider actually manufacturing one?  The
> > > circuit must be in 
> > > the public domain, and seems to be well known.  It
> > > has to be done 
> > > with vactrols, just like the original.  The slow
> > > response is an 
> > > important part of the sound.  Is anybody else
> > > interested in this?
> 
> 
> absolutely!

me too, me too !!!

self oscillate

hi list,
i was wondering...as you all seem to want a VACTROL
BASED FILTER AND VACTROL BASED PHASER...WHY THE NUMBER
OF VOTES TO THE CORESPONDING POLLS ARE SMALL?????
PLEASE,KEEP ON VOTING!!!!!!!!
bakis.



--- andrew dalio <bunnyman@sailormoon.com> wrote:
> Well, I have a Wiard Borg filter (which is a dual
> filter), which is 
> sort of based on the Buchla Low Pass Gate and the
> MS20 filter 
> (hench the name B-uchla + k-ORG). It's a FANTASTIC
> sounding 
> filter! However, it might do Doepfer good to make a
> vactrol filter, 
> since Wiard is discontinuing the series... Just a
> thought...
> 
> -andrew bunny
> 
> 


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Hi, but what about the possibility to buy the PIC for the MCV8 ???
I don't think there is any company that have a MIDI2CV with 8 CV out.
IF people who are DIY had the possibility to buy schematics, 
adjustment procedure and PIC ( I guess you used a PIC for this 
project)it will be great.
Keep up the good work.

Regards
Erik

> So we will definitely not offer kits or single front
> > panels or cases to avoid
> > such problems.
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer

Hi Erik 

> Hi, but what about the possibility to buy the PIC for the MCV8 ???
Questions like these you should ask direct to Doepfer -> sales@doepfer.de

BTW.: As far as I remember the MCV8 did not use a PIC but a microprozessor
with a separate EPROM. So assumingly you would have to rebuild the complete
uP and ADC Hardware identically to the MCV8

Florian

No use, we can only vote once per person... why should we kepp voting?


----- Original Message -----

From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: low pass gate/vactrol


> hi list,
> i was wondering...as you all seem to want a VACTROL
> BASED FILTER AND VACTROL BASED PHASER...WHY THE NUMBER
> OF VOTES TO THE CORESPONDING POLLS ARE SMALL?????
> PLEASE,KEEP ON VOTING!!!!!!!!
> bakis.
>
>
>
> --- andrew dalio <bunnyman@sailormoon.com> wrote:
> > Well, I have a Wiard Borg filter (which is a dual
> > filter), which is
> > sort of based on the Buchla Low Pass Gate and the
> > MS20 filter
> > (hench the name B-uchla + k-ORG). It's a FANTASTIC
> > sounding
> > filter! However, it might do Doepfer good to make a
> > vactrol filter,
> > since Wiard is discontinuing the series... Just a
> > thought...
> >
> > -andrew bunny
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
>
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>

hey andreas,
you know what i mean...
bakis.


--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
wrote:
> No use, we can only vote once per person... why
> should we kepp voting?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: low pass
> gate/vactrol
> 
> 
> > hi list,
> > i was wondering...as you all seem to want a
> VACTROL
> > BASED FILTER AND VACTROL BASED PHASER...WHY THE
> NUMBER
> > OF VOTES TO THE CORESPONDING POLLS ARE SMALL?????
> > PLEASE,KEEP ON VOTING!!!!!!!!
> > bakis.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- andrew dalio <bunnyman@sailormoon.com> wrote:
> > > Well, I have a Wiard Borg filter (which is a
> dual
> > > filter), which is
> > > sort of based on the Buchla Low Pass Gate and
> the
> > > MS20 filter
> > > (hench the name B-uchla + k-ORG). It's a
> FANTASTIC
> > > sounding
> > > filter! However, it might do Doepfer good to
> make a
> > > vactrol filter,
> > > since Wiard is discontinuing the series... Just
> a
> > > thought...
> > >
> > > -andrew bunny
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> >
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> 
> 
> 


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I.m a bit new to this group, so I have a dumb question: Where do we 
vote for modules that we want to see.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> hey andreas,
> you know what i mean...
> bakis.
> 
> 
> --- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> wrote:
> > No use, we can only vote once per person... why
> > should we kepp voting?
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: low pass
> > gate/vactrol
> > 
> > 
> > > hi list,
> > > i was wondering...as you all seem to want a
> > VACTROL
> > > BASED FILTER AND VACTROL BASED PHASER...WHY THE
> > NUMBER
> > > OF VOTES TO THE CORESPONDING POLLS ARE SMALL?????
> > > PLEASE,KEEP ON VOTING!!!!!!!!
> > > bakis.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- andrew dalio <bunnyman@s...> wrote:
> > > > Well, I have a Wiard Borg filter (which is a
> > dual
> > > > filter), which is
> > > > sort of based on the Buchla Low Pass Gate and
> > the
> > > > MS20 filter
> > > > (hench the name B-uchla + k-ORG). It's a
> > FANTASTIC
> > > > sounding
> > > > filter! However, it might do Doepfer good to
> > make a
> > > > vactrol filter,
> > > > since Wiard is discontinuing the series... Just
> > a
> > > > thought...
> > > >
> > > > -andrew bunny
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > > athens-greece
> > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
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> > 
> > 
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> 
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in the polls section of the group!(look to the
leftside bar of the home page of the group.it
says"POLLS")
bakis.


--- shm1400 <shm14@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I.m a bit new to this group, so I have a dumb
> question: Where do we 
> vote for modules that we want to see.
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hey andreas,
> > you know what i mean...
> > bakis.
> > 
> > 
> > --- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > No use, we can only vote once per person... why
> > > should we kepp voting?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > > To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:16 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: low pass
> > > gate/vactrol
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > hi list,
> > > > i was wondering...as you all seem to want a
> > > VACTROL
> > > > BASED FILTER AND VACTROL BASED PHASER...WHY
> THE
> > > NUMBER
> > > > OF VOTES TO THE CORESPONDING POLLS ARE
> SMALL?????
> > > > PLEASE,KEEP ON VOTING!!!!!!!!
> > > > bakis.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- andrew dalio <bunnyman@s...> wrote:
> > > > > Well, I have a Wiard Borg filter (which is a
> > > dual
> > > > > filter), which is
> > > > > sort of based on the Buchla Low Pass Gate
> and
> > > the
> > > > > MS20 filter
> > > > > (hench the name B-uchla + k-ORG). It's a
> > > FANTASTIC
> > > > > sounding
> > > > > filter! However, it might do Doepfer good to
> > > make a
> > > > > vactrol filter,
> > > > > since Wiard is discontinuing the series...
> Just
> > > a
> > > > > thought...
> > > > >
> > > > > -andrew bunny
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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hi list

i am interrested as well in smaller case.
it can be practical for some live functions, practical to carry,
practical for just one type of sound.

also for new modules, I like the idea of manual trigger mixer.
very practical for playing A100 as a live instrument for avant garde 
project like free improvisation.

it seems everyone is so much on with SOU and A154 which are 
interresting projects. by the way I still think some very simple 
modules like manual trigger mixer is really missing in this sense of 
A100 as a music instrument.

please react boyyyyyys!!!!!

alexandre from Paris, France

On 4/1/03 5:00 AM, "code_pig" <code_pig@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have to agree with Dieter about people building kits, as many
> aspiring DIY'ers don't have the skill or patience to finish a single
> module, let alone enough modules to create a small synth.  Having
> said that, it looks like a few of us here do not fall into that camp.


yes, and still the cost would not be significantly different.  The hardest
part of my Paia kit and EFM kits were identifying the parts, once you do
that it's pretty simple to populate the board, but half the efm ones were
wrong, changed or missing...
Look at the price difference on the Blacet modules, $30 to $40  to have it
assembled, now whit Doepfer's manufacturing process and local I'd expect
close to the inverse... kits could be more expensive?
Also, look at Oakley-- they sell just PCB's of populated boards, why , 'cuz
kits are more expensive to put together and support.
Just get your diy projects from CGS, order parts from mouser--they come
neatly labeled. And front panels... yeah.. here we go again, make your own
in a different case or convince enough that a common design is viable and
pre-order.
-phil

6 just doesn't hold enough! or a 12.
both of course with equiv. psu's.
-pH

hello alexandre,

you can simply start a poll for the manual trigger mixer.
don't forget to specify the features/layout of the module.
you know, doepfer has many modules in the pipeline and
it is not practical, starting the development of another
module, as long as there are so many modules unfinished.
but you never know what the future brings ;-)

best wishes

ingo



> also for new modules, I like the idea of manual trigger mixer.
> very practical for playing A100 as a live instrument for avant 
garde 
> project like free improvisation.
> 
> it seems everyone is so much on with SOU and A154 which are 
> interresting projects. by the way I still think some very simple 
> modules like manual trigger mixer is really missing in this sense 
of 

> A100 as a music instrument.
> 
> please react boyyyyyys!!!!!
> 
> alexandre from Paris, France