Doepfer

hi list,
doepfer asked me to make this poll to help the company decide the 
order of things to come....:-)
the poll will last for only 15 days so take the time and vote,please.
thank you,
bakis.

I glanced at the poll and I assume this developmentplan only applies for
halfmade modules or why didn't you include a option to vote for a new
attenuator module?

/Andreas

----- Original Message -----

From: "synth_freak_2000" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 7:30 PM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] please vote for this new poll!


> hi list,
> doepfer asked me to make this poll to help the company decide the
> order of things to come....:-)
> the poll will last for only 15 days so take the time and vote,please.
> thank you,
> bakis.
>
>
>
>
>
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hi andreas,
oops...for a start,i totally forgot about it...
but then again,i guess the poll it's about half-made
or half-ready modules.the attenuator module wasn't
mentioned dy dieter when he asked me to do the poll(so
i forgot),and maybe he is planning to make it latter
or to realize it as a feature in the diy page(??)i
don'tknow.anyway,your poll about the attn. module is
on,so dieter has in mind that it must be in the "to
do" list.
bakis.


--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
wrote:
> I glanced at the poll and I assume this
> developmentplan only applies for
> halfmade modules or why didn't you include a option
> to vote for a new
> attenuator module?
> 
> /Andreas
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "synth_freak_2000"
> <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 7:30 PM
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] please vote for this new
> poll!
> 
> 
> > hi list,
> > doepfer asked me to make this poll to help the
> company decide the
> > order of things to come....:-)
> > the poll will last for only 15 days so take the
> time and vote,please.
> > thank you,
> > bakis.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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perhaps something that combines Death by Audio's TSA:
http://www.killerrockandroll.com/deathbyaudio/totalsonicannihilation.html

with a matrix mixer(like this):
http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/index.html#cgs33


perhaps a lesser matrix mixer to save on costs though.
this would add new life to all modules.

best,
phil

> perhaps something that combines Death by Audio's TSA:
> 
http://www.killerrockandroll.com/deathbyaudio/totalsonicannihilation.h
tml

What a truly awful web page. Not only do you have to mess around 
trying to work out how to actually *see* the text so that you can 
read it, but then it doesn't even tell *what* the product is! And 
this guy expects people to buy stuff from him? He needs to take some 
lessons on PR/marketing/presentation. Eventually discovered the 
review, where it says it is 'a simple feedback loop circuit into 
which you connect the other pedals in your setup'. So, some sort of 
filter (?) into which you can introduce what you want into the 
feedback path (which some Doepfer filters currently allow). Phil, can 
you shed any more light on what it actually is? (Do you have one?)

Tim

Crikey, it gets worse! Discovered there are actually *two* reviews 
there. In the second it says:

"The actual electronics inside look as simple as can be, without a 
transistorized chip or circuit board in sight."

That seems to rule it out as anything as elaborate as a filter! So 
does it just mix the output of the other pedal straight back into 
it's input, via the pot maybe? So for your $150 you get a box with 
some fancy graphics, a few jacks and a knob?. I'm even more intrigued 
now!

Tim

> > perhaps something that combines Death by Audio's TSA:
> > 
> 
http://www.killerrockandroll.com/deathbyaudio/totalsonicannihilation.h
> tml
> 
> What a truly awful web page. Not only do you have to mess around 
> trying to work out how to actually *see* the text so that you can 
> read it, but then it doesn't even tell *what* the product is! And 
> this guy expects people to buy stuff from him? He needs to take 
some 
> lessons on PR/marketing/presentation. Eventually discovered the 
> review, where it says it is 'a simple feedback loop circuit into 
> which you connect the other pedals in your setup'. So, some sort of 
> filter (?) into which you can introduce what you want into the 
> feedback path (which some Doepfer filters currently allow). Phil, 
can 

> you shed any more light on what it actually is? (Do you have one?)
> 
> Tim

That seems to rule it out as anything as elaborate as a filter! So 
  does it just mix the output of the other pedal straight back into 
  it's input, via the pot maybe? So for your $150 you get a box with 
  some fancy graphics, a few jacks and a knob?. I'm even more intrigued 
  now

  ok, but did you have listened to the samples?
  I have and I get more impresions from sound that how it looks and what is inside
  and other thing is - I found it as a propose to look something new in Doepfer modules
  and i am totally into weird, dirty sounds, so that was very good example by my oppinion
  r


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have jsut started making my own dvd-movies and could help looking into
surround encoding. And I realized that I dont' have a mixer nor any synth
capabable of surround mixing. But my A100 could be expanded with VCAs, LFOs
and some logicmodules and panners to make it into the DVD age! Has anybody
tried this, what modules and setup do you use?

The beauty of modularity - to expand into future formats at will!

Hi Andreas 

> I have jsut started making my own dvd-movies and could help looking into
> surround encoding. And I realized that I dont' have a mixer nor any synth
> capabable of surround mixing. But my A100 could be expanded with VCAs, LFOs
> and some logicmodules and panners to make it into the DVD age! Has anybody
> tried this, what modules and setup do you use?
Encoding is something different from multichannel output. Encoding means:
transport a more than2channelsSignal on 2 channels of a stereo recording.
This would be assumingly quite costy and complicated on a A100.

The other story is dynamically positioning a mono signal on four or more
channels. I did this with my Nord Modular, which has 4 outputs. For a mono
signal you need simply three panners: 
1.) Front <-> Rear
2.) L-Front <-> R-Front
3.) L_Rear <-> R-Rear

for circling a signal around, you need one LFO, that has phase shifted
outputs (the A-191 Sheppard Function might be able to do this - I don't own
one) or several synchronised LFOs, whose output could be phaseshifted
individually (the Nordmodulars LFOs can do this).

Something that might be VERY interesting and intuitive is: control the
front rear / left right positions with two Theremin controlers.

Florian

Thanx Florian.


Controllers, I totally forgot that! Of course - the joystick module!

As for panning I think we are on the same track you and I. I want to be able
to sweep diagonally too like say from frontleft to right rear. Have you done
that with the three panner setup, does it work good?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Florian Anwander" <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Surround mxing on A100


> Hi Andreas
>
> > I have jsut started making my own dvd-movies and could help looking into
> > surround encoding. And I realized that I dont' have a mixer nor any
synth
> > capabable of surround mixing. But my A100 could be expanded with VCAs,
LFOs
> > and some logicmodules and panners to make it into the DVD age! Has
anybody
> > tried this, what modules and setup do you use?
> Encoding is something different from multichannel output. Encoding means:
> transport a more than2channelsSignal on 2 channels of a stereo recording.
> This would be assumingly quite costy and complicated on a A100.
>
> The other story is dynamically positioning a mono signal on four or more
> channels. I did this with my Nord Modular, which has 4 outputs. For a mono
> signal you need simply three panners:
> 1.) Front <-> Rear
> 2.) L-Front <-> R-Front
> 3.) L_Rear <-> R-Rear
>
> for circling a signal around, you need one LFO, that has phase shifted
> outputs (the A-191 Sheppard Function might be able to do this - I don't
own

> one) or several synchronised LFOs, whose output could be phaseshifted
> individually (the Nordmodulars LFOs can do this).
>
> Something that might be VERY interesting and intuitive is: control the
> front rear / left right positions with two Theremin controlers.
>
> Florian
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
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>
>

the vc panner should sound like the a130 linear vca,
but i never really compared their sound.

best wishes

self oscillate



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Lindholm" 
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> Ahh, silly me! I won't need any vcas, just panners! There are vca's 
in the
> panners! Great, but do the vcas in the panners sound like the 
standard vcas?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Florian Anwander" <Florian.Anwander@c...>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Surround mxing on A100
> 
> 
> > Hi Andreas
> >
> > > I have jsut started making my own dvd-movies and could help 
looking into
> > > surround encoding. And I realized that I dont' have a mixer nor 
any
> synth
> > > capabable of surround mixing. But my A100 could be expanded 
with VCAs,
> LFOs
> > > and some logicmodules and panners to make it into the DVD age! 
Has
> anybody
> > > tried this, what modules and setup do you use?
> > Encoding is something different from multichannel output. 
Encoding means:
> > transport a more than2channelsSignal on 2 channels of a stereo 
recording.
> > This would be assumingly quite costy and complicated on a A100.
> >
> > The other story is dynamically positioning a mono signal on four 
or more
> > channels. I did this with my Nord Modular, which has 4 outputs. 
For a mono
> > signal you need simply three panners:
> > 1.) Front <-> Rear
> > 2.) L-Front <-> R-Front
> > 3.) L_Rear <-> R-Rear
> >
> > for circling a signal around, you need one LFO, that has phase 
shifted
> > outputs (the A-191 Sheppard Function might be able to do this - I 
don't
> own
> > one) or several synchronised LFOs, whose output could be 
phaseshifted
> > individually (the Nordmodulars LFOs can do this).
> >
> > Something that might be VERY interesting and intuitive is: 
control the
> > front rear / left right positions with two Theremin controlers.
> >
> > Florian
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >

Ahh, silly me! I won't need any vcas, just panners! There are vca's in the
panners! Great, but do the vcas in the panners sound like the standard vcas?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Florian Anwander" <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Surround mxing on A100


> Hi Andreas
>
> > I have jsut started making my own dvd-movies and could help looking into
> > surround encoding. And I realized that I dont' have a mixer nor any
synth
> > capabable of surround mixing. But my A100 could be expanded with VCAs,
LFOs
> > and some logicmodules and panners to make it into the DVD age! Has
anybody
> > tried this, what modules and setup do you use?
> Encoding is something different from multichannel output. Encoding means:
> transport a more than2channelsSignal on 2 channels of a stereo recording.
> This would be assumingly quite costy and complicated on a A100.
>
> The other story is dynamically positioning a mono signal on four or more
> channels. I did this with my Nord Modular, which has 4 outputs. For a mono
> signal you need simply three panners:
> 1.) Front <-> Rear
> 2.) L-Front <-> R-Front
> 3.) L_Rear <-> R-Rear
>
> for circling a signal around, you need one LFO, that has phase shifted
> outputs (the A-191 Sheppard Function might be able to do this - I don't
own

> one) or several synchronised LFOs, whose output could be phaseshifted
> individually (the Nordmodulars LFOs can do this).
>
> Something that might be VERY interesting and intuitive is: control the
> front rear / left right positions with two Theremin controlers.
>
> Florian
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Hi Andreas 

> As for panning I think we are on the same track you and I. I want to be able
> to sweep diagonally too like say from frontleft to right rear. 
I know 3D panning with joysticks from professional consoles. The most
remarkable thing is, that linear movements are not recognized by the ear as
a straight line in the acoustic room. You need to stay quite long in the
extrem positions while going from front to rear. 
So a X-formed movement (FL->RR->RL->FR) should be done more like a 8
figure.


> Have you done that with the three panner setup, does it work good?
Yes, quite nice effect, and quite simple to realzie on the Nord Modular.

The more astonishing 3D stuff nevertheless is positioning signals with
reverbs and early directions. But this is VERY difficult to realize with
separate devices.

Florian

hi andreas,
i have two vc panning modules that i use all the time
and they seem to me that these sound fine!
bakis.


--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
wrote:
> Ahh, silly me! I won't need any vcas, just panners!
> There are vca's in the
> panners! Great, but do the vcas in the panners sound
> like the standard vcas?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Florian Anwander"
> <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Surround mxing on A100
> 
> 
> > Hi Andreas
> >
> > > I have jsut started making my own dvd-movies and
> could help looking into
> > > surround encoding. And I realized that I dont'
> have a mixer nor any
> synth
> > > capabable of surround mixing. But my A100 could
> be expanded with VCAs,
> LFOs
> > > and some logicmodules and panners to make it
> into the DVD age! Has
> anybody
> > > tried this, what modules and setup do you use?
> > Encoding is something different from multichannel
> output. Encoding means:
> > transport a more than2channelsSignal on 2 channels
> of a stereo recording.
> > This would be assumingly quite costy and
> complicated on a A100.
> >
> > The other story is dynamically positioning a mono
> signal on four or more
> > channels. I did this with my Nord Modular, which
> has 4 outputs. For a mono
> > signal you need simply three panners:
> > 1.) Front <-> Rear
> > 2.) L-Front <-> R-Front
> > 3.) L_Rear <-> R-Rear
> >
> > for circling a signal around, you need one LFO,
> that has phase shifted
> > outputs (the A-191 Sheppard Function might be able
> to do this - I don't
> own
> > one) or several synchronised LFOs, whose output
> could be phaseshifted
> > individually (the Nordmodulars LFOs can do this).
> >
> > Something that might be VERY interesting and
> intuitive is: control the
> > front rear / left right positions with two
> Theremin controlers.
> >
> > Florian
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 


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Okey, that is good enough for me then. I'll order a few and try it out!


----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Surround mxing on A100


> hi andreas,
> i have two vc panning modules that i use all the time
> and they seem to me that these sound fine!
> bakis.
>
>
> --- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
> wrote:
> > Ahh, silly me! I won't need any vcas, just panners!
> > There are vca's in the
> > panners! Great, but do the vcas in the panners sound
> > like the standard vcas?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Florian Anwander"
> > <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Surround mxing on A100
> >
> >
> > > Hi Andreas
> > >
> > > > I have jsut started making my own dvd-movies and
> > could help looking into
> > > > surround encoding. And I realized that I dont'
> > have a mixer nor any
> > synth
> > > > capabable of surround mixing. But my A100 could
> > be expanded with VCAs,
> > LFOs
> > > > and some logicmodules and panners to make it
> > into the DVD age! Has
> > anybody
> > > > tried this, what modules and setup do you use?
> > > Encoding is something different from multichannel
> > output. Encoding means:
> > > transport a more than2channelsSignal on 2 channels
> > of a stereo recording.
> > > This would be assumingly quite costy and
> > complicated on a A100.
> > >
> > > The other story is dynamically positioning a mono
> > signal on four or more
> > > channels. I did this with my Nord Modular, which
> > has 4 outputs. For a mono
> > > signal you need simply three panners:
> > > 1.) Front <-> Rear
> > > 2.) L-Front <-> R-Front
> > > 3.) L_Rear <-> R-Rear
> > >
> > > for circling a signal around, you need one LFO,
> > that has phase shifted
> > > outputs (the A-191 Sheppard Function might be able
> > to do this - I don't
> > own
> > > one) or several synchronised LFOs, whose output
> > could be phaseshifted
> > > individually (the Nordmodulars LFOs can do this).
> > >
> > > Something that might be VERY interesting and
> > intuitive is: control the
> > > front rear / left right positions with two
> > Theremin controlers.
> > >
> > > Florian
> > >
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Compared to buying a 5.1 compatible mixing console a few panners seems
extremely cheap for panning sounds in 3d, but of course I have to remix each
one of the tracks and the  mix them together again. But I don't know any
reasonably priced multichannel mixer, do you guys? Say 2000-3000 dollars or
so... not in Fairlight land ;)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Florian Anwander" <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Surround mxing on A100


> Hi Andreas
>
> > As for panning I think we are on the same track you and I. I want to be
able
> > to sweep diagonally too like say from frontleft to right rear.
> I know 3D panning with joysticks from professional consoles. The most
> remarkable thing is, that linear movements are not recognized by the ear
as

> a straight line in the acoustic room. You need to stay quite long in the
> extrem positions while going from front to rear.
> So a X-formed movement (FL->RR->RL->FR) should be done more like a 8
> figure.
>
>
> > Have you done that with the three panner setup, does it work good?
> Yes, quite nice effect, and quite simple to realzie on the Nord Modular.
>
> The more astonishing 3D stuff nevertheless is positioning signals with
> reverbs and early directions. But this is VERY difficult to realize with
> separate devices.
>
> Florian
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

> The other story is dynamically positioning a mono signal on four or 
more
> channels. I did this with my Nord Modular, which has 4 outputs. For 
a mono
> signal you need simply three panners: 
> 1.) Front <-> Rear
> 2.) L-Front <-> R-Front
> 3.) L_Rear <-> R-Rear

I'm not sure I fully get all the subtleties here, but couldn't you do 
the same thing with just 2 panners, and two (DC coupled) VCAs (such 
as an A-132), with an inverter, and a CV source (for an offset)? That 
is, do the 'front-rear' part by altering the CV going to the pair of 
panners, rather than the signal itself? Admittedly probably takes 
more modules, but chances are anyone trying this already has them?

Tim

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Stinchcombe" <timothy@t...> 
wrote:
> > The other story is dynamically positioning a mono signal on four 
or 
> more
> > channels. I did this with my Nord Modular, which has 4 outputs. 
For 
> a mono
> > signal you need simply three panners: 
> > 1.) Front <-> Rear
> > 2.) L-Front <-> R-Front
> > 3.) L_Rear <-> R-Rear
> 
> I'm not sure I fully get all the subtleties here, but couldn't you 
do 
> the same thing with just 2 panners, and two (DC coupled) VCAs (such 
> as an A-132), with an inverter, and a CV source (for an offset)? 
That 
> is, do the 'front-rear' part by altering the CV going to the pair 
of 
> panners, rather than the signal itself? Admittedly probably takes 
> more modules, but chances are anyone trying this already has them?

Oh dear, another of those days - as soon as I hit the 'return' button 
I realised it won't work 'cos the panners don't do what I need to 
with the CVs. So, no I don't get all the subtleties. Sorry for 
wasting time and space!

Tim