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Fwd: doepfer's comment about shaltwerk(once more...)

2003-06-27 by Bakis Sirros

--- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:
> From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@doepfer.de>
> To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> CC: "Chris Assall" <software@doepfer.de>
> Subject: please forward
> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:21:12 +0200
> 
> Bakis, please forward .....
> 
> > > > I guess personally though I wouldn't hinge my
> plans for 4 rows of
> > > > modules on the meter issue if there seemed to
> be a homebrew
> > > > solution to meters not too far out of reach,
> but that's me.
> > >
> > > Perfectly valid point, but frustration leads to
> these kind of
> > > reactions :-)
> >
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > Maybe now you can understand my frustation with
> the Schaltwerk. A few
> > bytes of code would make it into a useful musical
> product. On the
> > bright side, at least you are not left holding the
> proverbial bag,
> > while waiting for a software update for the
> schaltwerk or Chris
> > Assal's uninterested laissez faire comments.
> >
> > You can always buy the A.Sys module, if you need
> it pronto.
> >
> > RM
> >
> 
> Hi RM,
> 
> I have to contradict this opinion strongly - though
> the Schaltwerk item has
> been discussed several times and has nothing to do
> with A-100. You
> definitely do not know whats going on if you say "A
> few bytes of code would
> make it into a useful musical product". Believe me -
> if it would be only a
> few bytes of code we would have done this. Please
> refer to my former
> responses of this matter.
> 
> And please tell me what your suggestions for
> improvements for the Schaltwerk
> software has to do with the VU module.
> 
> The consequence is that Doepfer is called a bad
> company whenever they do not
> develop a module or device that is suggested by one
> or a few customers.
> 
> I'm very patient but I definitely cannot duplicate
> your reproaches.
> 
> Best regards
> Dieter Doepfer
> 


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[Doepfer_a100] group owner

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Assisting RM

2003-06-27 by Andreas Lindholm

Ohh, I am all negative today. And really this whole xxxxwerk-boxes and their
relations to the A100system has to my knowledge been intensly debated in the
past. Still I feel obliged to draw a lance for the cause and stand by RM.

I have a regelwerk and I think that it is a bit quirky to use - needlessly I
feel. I only use it together with my A100 and thus I consider it a part of
my A100 system. Though for the record I also only use my fuzzboz with the
A100 and don't consider that a part of it (yet) since it is not made by
Doepfer with the A100 in mind(although seemingly slipping now).

So not knowing about all the technical details I think that boxes with so
great interfaces deserves som attention and upgrades. There has also been
polls about this which states that a moderate support and upgrade program is
reasonable.

My final line is that I judge the quality of a manufacturer by his entire
line of products and support, not by a few singularities. Mercedes launched
the model A which a had a lots of problems, but to not let it sully the name
of Mercedes they took quite costly actions to make it become as good as a
Mercedes deserves to be. As the winemakers say "it takes just one rotten
grape to spoil a whole barrel".

I am one of the guys that is for a moderation in output of new modules. I do
want new modules too, but not at the expense of development and improovment
of existing gear. I actually feel that there are too many new modules in the
planning even while I like most of them.

So I rather have fewer and better that lots and flawed, that is my bottom
line.

No reproaches intended

/Andreas



----- Original Message ----- 
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From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: "Doepfer_a100 group" <doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:36 PM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Fwd: doepfer's comment about shaltwerk(once more...)


>
> --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:
> > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@doepfer.de>
> > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> > CC: "Chris Assall" <software@doepfer.de>
> > Subject: please forward
> > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:21:12 +0200
> >
> > Bakis, please forward .....
> >
> > > > > I guess personally though I wouldn't hinge my
> > plans for 4 rows of
> > > > > modules on the meter issue if there seemed to
> > be a homebrew
> > > > > solution to meters not too far out of reach,
> > but that's me.
> > > >
> > > > Perfectly valid point, but frustration leads to
> > these kind of
> > > > reactions :-)
> > >
> > > Hi Joe,
> > >
> > > Maybe now you can understand my frustation with
> > the Schaltwerk. A few
> > > bytes of code would make it into a useful musical
> > product. On the
> > > bright side, at least you are not left holding the
> > proverbial bag,
> > > while waiting for a software update for the
> > schaltwerk or Chris
> > > Assal's uninterested laissez faire comments.
> > >
> > > You can always buy the A.Sys module, if you need
> > it pronto.
> > >
> > > RM
> > >
> >
> > Hi RM,
> >
> > I have to contradict this opinion strongly - though
> > the Schaltwerk item has
> > been discussed several times and has nothing to do
> > with A-100. You
> > definitely do not know whats going on if you say "A
> > few bytes of code would
> > make it into a useful musical product". Believe me -
> > if it would be only a
> > few bytes of code we would have done this. Please
> > refer to my former
> > responses of this matter.
> >
> > And please tell me what your suggestions for
> > improvements for the Schaltwerk
> > software has to do with the VU module.
> >
> > The consequence is that Doepfer is called a bad
> > company whenever they do not
> > develop a module or device that is suggested by one
> > or a few customers.
> >
> > I'm very patient but I definitely cannot duplicate
> > your reproaches.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
>
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> __________________________________
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>
>

Addition to Assisting RM

2003-06-27 by Andreas Lindholm

Well, I have given it some more thought. The bottom line actually is that I
as customer have a confidence in Doepfer to make good stuff. Thus I feel
sort of obliged to inform Doepfer when I think that they haven't produced
the result they could with they talent that is there. That is the bottom
line. I think that Doepfer can make better things than any of us users
could. So I just hope some of the input we give will be taken up. If I
though Doepfer was a lot of puts I just wouldn't bother and look for another
brand.

/Andreas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 7:43 PM
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Assisting RM


> Ohh, I am all negative today. And really this whole xxxxwerk-boxes and
their
> relations to the A100system has to my knowledge been intensly debated in
the
> past. Still I feel obliged to draw a lance for the cause and stand by RM.
>
> I have a regelwerk and I think that it is a bit quirky to use - needlessly
I
> feel. I only use it together with my A100 and thus I consider it a part of
> my A100 system. Though for the record I also only use my fuzzboz with the
> A100 and don't consider that a part of it (yet) since it is not made by
> Doepfer with the A100 in mind(although seemingly slipping now).
>
> So not knowing about all the technical details I think that boxes with so
> great interfaces deserves som attention and upgrades. There has also been
> polls about this which states that a moderate support and upgrade program
is
> reasonable.
>
> My final line is that I judge the quality of a manufacturer by his entire
> line of products and support, not by a few singularities. Mercedes
launched
> the model A which a had a lots of problems, but to not let it sully the
name
> of Mercedes they took quite costly actions to make it become as good as a
> Mercedes deserves to be. As the winemakers say "it takes just one rotten
> grape to spoil a whole barrel".
>
> I am one of the guys that is for a moderation in output of new modules. I
do
> want new modules too, but not at the expense of development and
improovment
> of existing gear. I actually feel that there are too many new modules in
the
> planning even while I like most of them.
>
> So I rather have fewer and better that lots and flawed, that is my bottom
> line.
>
> No reproaches intended
>
> /Andreas
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> To: "Doepfer_a100 group" <doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:36 PM
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Fwd: doepfer's comment about shaltwerk(once
more...)
>
>
> >
> > --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:
> > > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@doepfer.de>
> > > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> > > CC: "Chris Assall" <software@doepfer.de>
> > > Subject: please forward
> > > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:21:12 +0200
> > >
> > > Bakis, please forward .....
> > >
> > > > > > I guess personally though I wouldn't hinge my
> > > plans for 4 rows of
> > > > > > modules on the meter issue if there seemed to
> > > be a homebrew
> > > > > > solution to meters not too far out of reach,
> > > but that's me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Perfectly valid point, but frustration leads to
> > > these kind of
> > > > > reactions :-)
> > > >
> > > > Hi Joe,
> > > >
> > > > Maybe now you can understand my frustation with
> > > the Schaltwerk. A few
> > > > bytes of code would make it into a useful musical
> > > product. On the
> > > > bright side, at least you are not left holding the
> > > proverbial bag,
> > > > while waiting for a software update for the
> > > schaltwerk or Chris
> > > > Assal's uninterested laissez faire comments.
> > > >
> > > > You can always buy the A.Sys module, if you need
> > > it pronto.
> > > >
> > > > RM
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi RM,
> > >
> > > I have to contradict this opinion strongly - though
> > > the Schaltwerk item has
> > > been discussed several times and has nothing to do
> > > with A-100. You
> > > definitely do not know whats going on if you say "A
> > > few bytes of code would
> > > make it into a useful musical product". Believe me -
> > > if it would be only a
> > > few bytes of code we would have done this. Please
> > > refer to my former
> > > responses of this matter.
> > >
> > > And please tell me what your suggestions for
> > > improvements for the Schaltwerk
> > > software has to do with the VU module.
> > >
> > > The consequence is that Doepfer is called a bad
> > > company whenever they do not
> > > develop a module or device that is suggested by one
> > > or a few customers.
> > >
> > > I'm very patient but I definitely cannot duplicate
> > > your reproaches.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Dieter Doepfer
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
> > http://sbc.yahoo.com
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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