Doepfer

In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com writes:


> If the touch keyboard would amount to anything good I would say that it
> should either exclude all sequencer functions or they should be very
> carefully thought out. There is as far as I understand it no point in adding
> something that if very limited when there are several other solutions to do
> it better.



hello !
i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a superior touch kybd / controller 
than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is completed, take a second look a 
sequencing and envelope generation using something still visionary, even 
after all these years, like the old buchla multiple arbitrary random function 
generator as a conceptual starting point.
let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping feature-itis" ..........
best,
dave




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

hi dave, ask and ye shall receive. i made a folder in the files 
section. i have in a few pictures plus the brochures for the 248 marf 
and 217 touchplate. hope this does the trick.
regards,
RM


luded--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., davevosh@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> andreas.k.lindholm@t... writes:
> 
> 
> > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything good I would say 
that it
> > should either exclude all sequencer functions or they should be 
very
> > carefully thought out. There is as far as I understand it no 
point in adding
> > something that if very limited when there are several other 
solutions to do
> > it better.
> 
> 
> 
> hello !
> i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a superior touch kybd / 
controller 
> than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is completed, take a 
second look a 
> sequencing and envelope generation using something still visionary, 
even 
> after all these years, like the old buchla multiple arbitrary 
random function 
> generator as a conceptual starting point.
> let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping feature-
itis" ..........

> best,
> dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

ooooooo.......don't you understand that this sequencer
NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of the
keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to have a
touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
synthfreak

--- davevosh@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> Standard Time, 
> andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com writes:
> 
> 
> > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> good I would say that it
> > should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> they should be very
> > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> understand it no point in adding
> > something that if very limited when there are
> several other solutions to do
> > it better.
> 
> 
> 
> hello !
> i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> superior touch kybd / controller 
> than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> completed, take a second look a 
> sequencing and envelope generation using something
> still visionary, even 
> after all these years, like the old buchla multiple
> arbitrary random function 
> generator as a conceptual starting point.
> let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping
> feature-itis" ..........
> best,
> dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


=====
synthfreak(parallel worlds)
athens-greece
[Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator

No I don't think it is. It is just another  set of  those "unnessecary
features that you think should be there";-)

I think you have been the most avid of the lot to keep things cheap and
stripped down. Now you ask for things to be included again. It just doesn't
make sense the way you and Florian on one hand think that crippled machines
should stay that way to make it cheap and the next second vote for umpteen
new features that are suddenly vital. It would be nice to hear about your
general philosophy regarding price vs. features. I hope it isn't just a
display of  less self-centeredness. I try keep an open and modular mind i.e.
make things simple but offer possibilities of expansion so everybody can
decide for themselves what is vital and what is not rather than declaring
what people do need. I have met a few users of musictechnology and found
that not even users with the same gear work the same.

Furthermore I find endless rows of exclamation marks a bit on the unserious
side, but perhaps that is just me. I just try to stick to standard
netiquette...

/Andreas

----- Original Message -----

From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard


> ooooooo.......don't you understand that this sequencer
> NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of the
> keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to have a
> touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> synthfreak
>
> --- davevosh@aol.com wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > good I would say that it
> > > should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> > they should be very
> > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > understand it no point in adding
> > > something that if very limited when there are
> > several other solutions to do
> > > it better.
> >
> >
> >
> > hello !
> > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > superior touch kybd / controller
> > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > completed, take a second look a
> > sequencing and envelope generation using something
> > still visionary, even
> > after all these years, like the old buchla multiple
> > arbitrary random function
> > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping
> > feature-itis" ..........
> > best,
> > dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
>
>
>
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I think the difference in Philosophy is directly related to the issue 
of new gear versus existing gear. Doepfer's business model is to 
continuosly develop and sell new gear, and this forum primarily serves 
as a marketing focus group for that effort. 

Which is fine, that's what the description of the group on the main 
page says it is. I tend to ignore that aspect of the discussion, and 
use the forum to talk about music and patches when the opportunity 
comes up.

I think a point that's being overlooked, though, is that lots of us 
are DONE expanding their A100 systems. That's why we don't have much 
interest in additional modules. Eventually, all of us reach a point 
where we have stopped expanding.  If Doepfer is to have any hope of 
selling more stuff to this growing number of A100 customers, it will 
have to be in the form of upgrades and improved versions of current 
modules and equipment.

Joe

It would be helpful --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> 
wrote:
> No I don't think it is. It is just another  set of  those 
"unnessecary
> features that you think should be there";-)
> 
> I think you have been the most avid of the lot to keep things cheap 
and
> stripped down. Now you ask for things to be included again. It just 
doesn't
> make sense the way you and Florian on one hand think that crippled 
machines
> should stay that way to make it cheap and the next second vote for 
umpteen
> new features that are suddenly vital. It would be nice to hear about 
your
> general philosophy regarding price vs. features. I hope it isn't 
just a
> display of  less self-centeredness. I try keep an open and modular 
mind i.e.
> make things simple but offer possibilities of expansion so everybody 
can
> decide for themselves what is vital and what is not rather than 
declaring
> what people do need. I have met a few users of musictechnology and 
found
> that not even users with the same gear work the same.
> 
> Furthermore I find endless rows of exclamation marks a bit on the 
unserious
> side, but perhaps that is just me. I just try to stick to standard
> netiquette...
> 
> /Andreas
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
> 
> 
> > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this sequencer
> > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of the
> > keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> > seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to have a
> > touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> > synthfreak
> >
> > --- davevosh@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > andreas.k.lindholm@t... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > > good I would say that it
> > > > should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> > > they should be very
> > > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > > understand it no point in adding
> > > > something that if very limited when there are
> > > several other solutions to do
> > > > it better.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > hello !
> > > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > > superior touch kybd / controller
> > > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > > completed, take a second look a
> > > sequencing and envelope generation using something
> > > still visionary, even
> > > after all these years, like the old buchla multiple
> > > arbitrary random function
> > > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > > let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping
> > > feature-itis" ..........
> > > best,
> > > dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> >
> >
> >
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Yes I agree

-----Original Message-----
From: buechlerjoe [mailto:buechlerjoe@toadmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:50 PM
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Gear philosophy

I think the difference in Philosophy is directly related to the issue
of new gear versus existing gear. Doepfer's business model is to
continuosly develop and sell new gear, and this forum primarily serves
as a marketing focus group for that effort.

Which is fine, that's what the description of the group on the main
page says it is. I tend to ignore that aspect of the discussion, and
use the forum to talk about music and patches when the opportunity
comes up.

I think a point that's being overlooked, though, is that lots of us
are DONE expanding their A100 systems. That's why we don't have much
interest in additional modules. Eventually, all of us reach a point
where we have stopped expanding.  If Doepfer is to have any hope of
selling more stuff to this growing number of A100 customers, it will
have to be in the form of upgrades and improved versions of current
modules and equipment.

Joe

It would be helpful --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm"
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...>
wrote:
> No I don't think it is. It is just another  set of  those
"unnessecary
> features that you think should be there";-)
>
> I think you have been the most avid of the lot to keep things cheap
and
> stripped down. Now you ask for things to be included again. It just
doesn't
> make sense the way you and Florian on one hand think that crippled
machines
> should stay that way to make it cheap and the next second vote for
umpteen
> new features that are suddenly vital. It would be nice to hear about
your
> general philosophy regarding price vs. features. I hope it isn't
just a
> display of  less self-centeredness. I try keep an open and modular
mind i.e.
> make things simple but offer possibilities of expansion so everybody
can
> decide for themselves what is vital and what is not rather than
declaring
> what people do need. I have met a few users of musictechnology and
found
> that not even users with the same gear work the same.
>
> Furthermore I find endless rows of exclamation marks a bit on the
unserious
> side, but perhaps that is just me. I just try to stick to standard
> netiquette...
>
> /Andreas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that touch keyboard
>
>
> > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this sequencer
> > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of the
> > keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> > seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to have a
> > touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> > synthfreak
> >
> > --- davevosh@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > andreas.k.lindholm@t... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > > good I would say that it
> > > > should either exclude all sequencer functions or
> > > they should be very
> > > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > > understand it no point in adding
> > > > something that if very limited when there are
> > > several other solutions to do
> > > > it better.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > hello !
> > > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > > superior touch kybd / controller
> > > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > > completed, take a second look a
> > > sequencing and envelope generation using something
> > > still visionary, even
> > > after all these years, like the old buchla multiple
> > > arbitrary random function
> > > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > > let each module "be what it is" and avoid "creeping
> > > feature-itis" ..........
> > > best,
> > > dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> >
> >
> >
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Hi Andreas 

> No I don't think it is. It is just another  set of  those "unnessecary
> features that you think should be there";-)
Yes I think it is. To me this is basically a sequencer, where I can
activate (or deactivate) the steps by pressing a key.

> It just doesn't
> make sense the way you and Florian on one hand think that crippled machines
> should stay that way to make it cheap and the next second vote for umpteen
> new features that are suddenly vital.
Do we? I said only: If you want something not to be done and there is the
possibility to vote against it, then raise your voice and vote.

> It would be nice to hear about your
> general philosophy regarding price vs. features.
I think, it is not our job to try to change the philosophy of anyones
business. If I don't like the philosophy of someones business, then the
possibility to get influence is: not bying the products. We live in a
society which respects private decisions of business philosophy and uses
economic regulation mechanisms.

I think, your ideas of making mdular systems are not bad, but I respect the
decision of Doepfer to follow other ideas.

Florian
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hi andreas,
you think something is not nessecary,i think it
is!!!something is vital for me but not for you.it's as
simple as that.
synthfreak

--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
wrote:
> No I don't think it is. It is just another  set of 
> those "unnessecary
> features that you think should be there";-)
> 
> I think you have been the most avid of the lot to
> keep things cheap and
> stripped down. Now you ask for things to be included
> again. It just doesn't
> make sense the way you and Florian on one hand think
> that crippled machines
> should stay that way to make it cheap and the next
> second vote for umpteen
> new features that are suddenly vital. It would be
> nice to hear about your
> general philosophy regarding price vs. features. I
> hope it isn't just a
> display of  less self-centeredness. I try keep an
> open and modular mind i.e.
> make things simple but offer possibilities of
> expansion so everybody can
> decide for themselves what is vital and what is not
> rather than declaring
> what people do need. I have met a few users of
> musictechnology and found
> that not even users with the same gear work the
> same.
> 
> Furthermore I find endless rows of exclamation marks
> a bit on the unserious
> side, but perhaps that is just me. I just try to
> stick to standard
> netiquette...
> 
> /Andreas
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that
> touch keyboard
> 
> 
> > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this
> sequencer
> > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of
> the
> > keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> > seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to
> have a
> > touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> > synthfreak
> >
> > --- davevosh@aol.com wrote:
> > > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > > good I would say that it
> > > > should either exclude all sequencer functions
> or
> > > they should be very
> > > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > > understand it no point in adding
> > > > something that if very limited when there are
> > > several other solutions to do
> > > > it better.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > hello !
> > > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > > superior touch kybd / controller
> > > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > > completed, take a second look a
> > > sequencing and envelope generation using
> something
> > > still visionary, even
> > > after all these years, like the old buchla
> multiple
> > > arbitrary random function
> > > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > > let each module "be what it is" and avoid
> "creeping
> > > feature-itis" ..........
> > > best,
> > > dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> >
> >
> >
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NO joe,
this group isn't about marketing for new modules.
this group is about EVERYTHING that has got to do with
the a100!!!(yes,i like the exclamation marks.)
it's just that at the present time doepfer is about to
release many new and(in my opinion)very interesting
modules so,i am just helping dieter doepfer to decide
what features to include,o.k.???
so,some of you are DONE expanding your a100
systems,so,what???others are just
starting,others,including me,have ONLY one modular
system(a100) and spend their money on expanding this
one system...
and doepfer's business model is NOT ONLY to expand his
modules range...
synthfreak


--- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> I think the difference in Philosophy is directly
> related to the issue 
> of new gear versus existing gear. Doepfer's business
> model is to 
> continuosly develop and sell new gear, and this
> forum primarily serves 
> as a marketing focus group for that effort. 
> 
> Which is fine, that's what the description of the
> group on the main 
> page says it is. I tend to ignore that aspect of the
> discussion, and 
> use the forum to talk about music and patches when
> the opportunity 
> comes up.
> 
> I think a point that's being overlooked, though, is
> that lots of us 
> are DONE expanding their A100 systems. That's why we
> don't have much 
> interest in additional modules. Eventually, all of
> us reach a point 
> where we have stopped expanding.  If Doepfer is to
> have any hope of 
> selling more stuff to this growing number of A100
> customers, it will 
> have to be in the form of upgrades and improved
> versions of current 
> modules and equipment.
> 
> Joe
> 
> It would be helpful --- In Doepfer_a100@y...,
> "Andreas Lindholm" 
> <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> 
> wrote:
> > No I don't think it is. It is just another  set of
>  those 
> "unnessecary
> > features that you think should be there";-)
> > 
> > I think you have been the most avid of the lot to
> keep things cheap 
> and
> > stripped down. Now you ask for things to be
> included again. It just 
> doesn't
> > make sense the way you and Florian on one hand
> think that crippled 
> machines
> > should stay that way to make it cheap and the next
> second vote for 
> umpteen
> > new features that are suddenly vital. It would be
> nice to hear about 
> your
> > general philosophy regarding price vs. features. I
> hope it isn't 
> just a
> > display of  less self-centeredness. I try keep an
> open and modular 
> mind i.e.
> > make things simple but offer possibilities of
> expansion so everybody 
> can
> > decide for themselves what is vital and what is
> not rather than 
> declaring
> > what people do need. I have met a few users of
> musictechnology and 
> found
> > that not even users with the same gear work the
> same.
> > 
> > Furthermore I find endless rows of exclamation
> marks a bit on the 
> unserious
> > side, but perhaps that is just me. I just try to
> stick to standard
> > netiquette...
> > 
> > /Andreas
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that
> touch keyboard
> > 
> > 
> > > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this
> sequencer
> > > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys
> of the
> > > keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> > > seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to
> have a
> > > touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> > > synthfreak
> > >
> > > --- davevosh@a... wrote:
> > > > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM
> Eastern
> > > > Standard Time,
> > > > andreas.k.lindholm@t... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > If the touch keyboard would amount to
> anything
> > > > good I would say that it
> > > > > should either exclude all sequencer
> functions or
> > > > they should be very
> > > > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > > > understand it no point in adding
> > > > > something that if very limited when there
> are
> > > > several other solutions to do
> > > > > it better.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hello !
> > > > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > > > superior touch kybd / controller
> > > > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > > > completed, take a second look a
> > > > sequencing and envelope generation using
> something
> > > > still visionary, even
> > > > after all these years, like the old buchla
> multiple
> > > > arbitrary random function
> > > > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > > > let each module "be what it is" and avoid
> "creeping
> > > > feature-itis" ..........
> > > > best,
> > > > dave
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Hi Synthfreak
> this group isn't about marketing for new modules.
> this group is about EVERYTHING that has got to do with
> the a100!!! (yes,i like the exclamation marks.)
What I said was that the PRIMARY FOCUS (yes, I like the capitals) is 
on providing Doepfer with feedback on which new modules would be most 
popular, and what features would make them popular. If I thought that 
it was the ONLY focus, then I wouldn't be here. Like I said, I'm not 
much interested in buying any new modules, and I use a keyboard so I'm 
not much interested in a touch controller either.

> it's just that at the present time doepfer is about to
> release many new and(in my opinion)very interesting
> modules so,i am just helping dieter doepfer to decide
> what features to include,o.k.???
I already said is was o.k. with me.

> so,some of you are DONE expanding your a100
> systems,so,what???others are just
> starting,others,including me,have ONLY one modular
> system(a100) and spend their money on expanding this
> one system...
I also have ONLY one modular system(a100), and have spend my money on 
expanding it. I'm quite happy with the module configuration that I 
have now. 

Do you really intend to spend money indefinitely in order to continue 
expanding yours? I don't think that most A100 customers have that 
luxury. Even cuari, who had the largest A100 system I've ever heard 
of, has stopped expanding, and in fact is reducing the size of his 
system. I don't buy modules for the sake of buying them, I buy them to 
create music.

It seems ironic to me that suggestions for upgrades or improvements 
are perceived as criticism, and we are told to "shut up", when what 
we're really trying to ask for is a way to buy more stuff from 
Doepfer!

Its not much different from other music stuff. How many computer music 
applications do you need? You buy a copy of Cakewalk or something, and 
you're done. But Twelve Tone would like more sales, so they make 
improvements and add more features, and we end up plunking down more 
money for an upgraded version of the sequencer.

> and doepfer's business model is NOT ONLY to expand his
> modules range...
Doepfer has the LARGEST module range of any manufacturer, past or 
present, and continues to develop new modules. Some of the other 
manufacturers have similar low prices, so the number of available 
modules is what primarly differentiates Doepfer from Analog Systems, 
Analog Solutions, and Blacet. It's obvious to all that this is true.

Joe

> 
> 
> --- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > I think the difference in Philosophy is directly
> > related to the issue 
> > of new gear versus existing gear. Doepfer's business
> > model is to 
> > continuosly develop and sell new gear, and this
> > forum primarily serves 
> > as a marketing focus group for that effort. 
> > 
> > Which is fine, that's what the description of the
> > group on the main 
> > page says it is. I tend to ignore that aspect of the
> > discussion, and 
> > use the forum to talk about music and patches when
> > the opportunity 
> > comes up.
> > 
> > I think a point that's being overlooked, though, is
> > that lots of us 
> > are DONE expanding their A100 systems. That's why we
> > don't have much 
> > interest in additional modules. Eventually, all of
> > us reach a point 
> > where we have stopped expanding.  If Doepfer is to
> > have any hope of 
> > selling more stuff to this growing number of A100
> > customers, it will 
> > have to be in the form of upgrades and improved
> > versions of current 
> > modules and equipment.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > It would be helpful --- In Doepfer_a100@y...,
> > "Andreas Lindholm" 
> > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> 
> > wrote:
> > > No I don't think it is. It is just another  set of
> >  those 
> > "unnessecary
> > > features that you think should be there";-)
> > > 
> > > I think you have been the most avid of the lot to
> > keep things cheap 
> > and
> > > stripped down. Now you ask for things to be
> > included again. It just 
> > doesn't
> > > make sense the way you and Florian on one hand
> > think that crippled 
> > machines
> > > should stay that way to make it cheap and the next
> > second vote for 
> > umpteen
> > > new features that are suddenly vital. It would be
> > nice to hear about 
> > your
> > > general philosophy regarding price vs. features. I
> > hope it isn't 
> > just a
> > > display of  less self-centeredness. I try keep an
> > open and modular 
> > mind i.e.
> > > make things simple but offer possibilities of
> > expansion so everybody 
> > can
> > > decide for themselves what is vital and what is
> > not rather than 
> > declaring
> > > what people do need. I have met a few users of
> > musictechnology and 
> > found
> > > that not even users with the same gear work the
> > same.
> > > 
> > > Furthermore I find endless rows of exclamation
> > marks a bit on the 
> > unserious
> > > side, but perhaps that is just me. I just try to
> > stick to standard
> > > netiquette...
> > > 
> > > /Andreas
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:47 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that
> > touch keyboard
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this
> > sequencer
> > > > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys
> > of the
> > > > keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> > > > seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to
> > have a
> > > > touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> > > > synthfreak
> > > >
> > > > --- davevosh@a... wrote:
> > > > > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM
> > Eastern
> > > > > Standard Time,
> > > > > andreas.k.lindholm@t... writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > If the touch keyboard would amount to
> > anything
> > > > > good I would say that it
> > > > > > should either exclude all sequencer
> > functions or
> > > > > they should be very
> > > > > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > > > > understand it no point in adding
> > > > > > something that if very limited when there
> > are
> > > > > several other solutions to do
> > > > > > it better.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > hello !
> > > > > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > > > > superior touch kybd / controller
> > > > > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > > > > completed, take a second look a
> > > > > sequencing and envelope generation using
> > something
> > > > > still visionary, even
> > > > > after all these years, like the old buchla
> > multiple
> > > > > arbitrary random function
> > > > > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > > > > let each module "be what it is" and avoid
> > "creeping
> > > > > feature-itis" ..........
> > > > > best,
> > > > > dave
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > > removed]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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Okey, this as rude as I will ever get. Go out and read up on smileys, then
go back and read the rest of my message in its entirety and by the way
google up netiquette or net ettiquete...

/Andreas

----- Original Message -----

From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Gear philosophy


> hi andreas,
> you think something is not nessecary,i think it
> is!!!something is vital for me but not for you.it's as
> simple as that.
> synthfreak
>
> --- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
> wrote:
> > No I don't think it is. It is just another  set of
> > those "unnessecary
> > features that you think should be there";-)
> >
> > I think you have been the most avid of the lot to
> > keep things cheap and
> > stripped down. Now you ask for things to be included
> > again. It just doesn't
> > make sense the way you and Florian on one hand think
> > that crippled machines
> > should stay that way to make it cheap and the next
> > second vote for umpteen
> > new features that are suddenly vital. It would be
> > nice to hear about your
> > general philosophy regarding price vs. features. I
> > hope it isn't just a
> > display of  less self-centeredness. I try keep an
> > open and modular mind i.e.
> > make things simple but offer possibilities of
> > expansion so everybody can
> > decide for themselves what is vital and what is not
> > rather than declaring
> > what people do need. I have met a few users of
> > musictechnology and found
> > that not even users with the same gear work the
> > same.
> >
> > Furthermore I find endless rows of exclamation marks
> > a bit on the unserious
> > side, but perhaps that is just me. I just try to
> > stick to standard
> > netiquette...
> >
> > /Andreas
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about that
> > touch keyboard
> >
> >
> > > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this
> > sequencer
> > > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the keys of
> > the
> > > keyboard are used for activating steps/changing
> > > seq.lenght on the fly!!!so,it is nessessary to
> > have a
> > > touch-sensor keyboard/sequencer!!!!!!!!!
> > > synthfreak
> > >
> > > --- davevosh@aol.com wrote:
> > > > In a message dated 2/26/2002 12:12:07 PM Eastern
> > > > Standard Time,
> > > > andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > If the touch keyboard would amount to anything
> > > > good I would say that it
> > > > > should either exclude all sequencer functions
> > or
> > > > they should be very
> > > > > carefully thought out. There is as far as I
> > > > understand it no point in adding
> > > > > something that if very limited when there are
> > > > several other solutions to do
> > > > > it better.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hello !
> > > > i must agree here wholeheartedly !  better a
> > > > superior touch kybd / controller
> > > > than a mediocre sequencer.  after the kybd is
> > > > completed, take a second look a
> > > > sequencing and envelope generation using
> > something
> > > > still visionary, even
> > > > after all these years, like the old buchla
> > multiple
> > > > arbitrary random function
> > > > generator as a conceptual starting point.
> > > > let each module "be what it is" and avoid
> > "creeping
> > > > feature-itis" ..........
> > > > best,
> > > > dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > > removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
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--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" 
<andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> and by the way
> google up netiquette or net ettiquete...
> 
> /Andreas
what exactly do you mean here???my english aren't very good...
bakis.

i don't think that i have the luxury of expanding my
a100 as i try hard to save this money(beleive me,i try
hard)and i,too, try to buy modules that i think that
will help me in my music...
synthfreak

--- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@toadmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Synthfreak
> > this group isn't about marketing for new modules.
> > this group is about EVERYTHING that has got to do
> with
> > the a100!!! (yes,i like the exclamation marks.)
> What I said was that the PRIMARY FOCUS (yes, I like
> the capitals) is 
> on providing Doepfer with feedback on which new
> modules would be most 
> popular, and what features would make them popular.
> If I thought that 
> it was the ONLY focus, then I wouldn't be here. Like
> I said, I'm not 
> much interested in buying any new modules, and I use
> a keyboard so I'm 
> not much interested in a touch controller either.
> 
> > it's just that at the present time doepfer is
> about to
> > release many new and(in my opinion)very
> interesting
> > modules so,i am just helping dieter doepfer to
> decide
> > what features to include,o.k.???
> I already said is was o.k. with me.
> 
> > so,some of you are DONE expanding your a100
> > systems,so,what???others are just
> > starting,others,including me,have ONLY one modular
> > system(a100) and spend their money on expanding
> this
> > one system...
> I also have ONLY one modular system(a100), and have
> spend my money on 
> expanding it. I'm quite happy with the module
> configuration that I 
> have now. 
> 
> Do you really intend to spend money indefinitely in
> order to continue 
> expanding yours? I don't think that most A100
> customers have that 
> luxury. Even cuari, who had the largest A100 system
> I've ever heard 
> of, has stopped expanding, and in fact is reducing
> the size of his 
> system. I don't buy modules for the sake of buying
> them, I buy them to 
> create music.
> 
> It seems ironic to me that suggestions for upgrades
> or improvements 
> are perceived as criticism, and we are told to "shut
> up", when what 
> we're really trying to ask for is a way to buy more
> stuff from 
> Doepfer!
> 
> Its not much different from other music stuff. How
> many computer music 
> applications do you need? You buy a copy of Cakewalk
> or something, and 
> you're done. But Twelve Tone would like more sales,
> so they make 
> improvements and add more features, and we end up
> plunking down more 
> money for an upgraded version of the sequencer.
> 
> > and doepfer's business model is NOT ONLY to expand
> his
> > modules range...
> Doepfer has the LARGEST module range of any
> manufacturer, past or 
> present, and continues to develop new modules. Some
> of the other 
> manufacturers have similar low prices, so the number
> of available 
> modules is what primarly differentiates Doepfer from
> Analog Systems, 
> Analog Solutions, and Blacet. It's obvious to all
> that this is true.
> 
> Joe
> > 
> > 
> > --- buechlerjoe <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > I think the difference in Philosophy is directly
> > > related to the issue 
> > > of new gear versus existing gear. Doepfer's
> business
> > > model is to 
> > > continuosly develop and sell new gear, and this
> > > forum primarily serves 
> > > as a marketing focus group for that effort. 
> > > 
> > > Which is fine, that's what the description of
> the
> > > group on the main 
> > > page says it is. I tend to ignore that aspect of
> the
> > > discussion, and 
> > > use the forum to talk about music and patches
> when
> > > the opportunity 
> > > comes up.
> > > 
> > > I think a point that's being overlooked, though,
> is
> > > that lots of us 
> > > are DONE expanding their A100 systems. That's
> why we
> > > don't have much 
> > > interest in additional modules. Eventually, all
> of
> > > us reach a point 
> > > where we have stopped expanding.  If Doepfer is
> to
> > > have any hope of 
> > > selling more stuff to this growing number of
> A100
> > > customers, it will 
> > > have to be in the form of upgrades and improved
> > > versions of current 
> > > modules and equipment.
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > It would be helpful --- In Doepfer_a100@y...,
> > > "Andreas Lindholm" 
> > > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > No I don't think it is. It is just another 
> set of
> > >  those 
> > > "unnessecary
> > > > features that you think should be there";-)
> > > > 
> > > > I think you have been the most avid of the lot
> to
> > > keep things cheap 
> > > and
> > > > stripped down. Now you ask for things to be
> > > included again. It just 
> > > doesn't
> > > > make sense the way you and Florian on one hand
> > > think that crippled 
> > > machines
> > > > should stay that way to make it cheap and the
> next
> > > second vote for 
> > > umpteen
> > > > new features that are suddenly vital. It would
> be
> > > nice to hear about 
> > > your
> > > > general philosophy regarding price vs.
> features. I
> > > hope it isn't 
> > > just a
> > > > display of  less self-centeredness. I try keep
> an
> > > open and modular 
> > > mind i.e.
> > > > make things simple but offer possibilities of
> > > expansion so everybody 
> > > can
> > > > decide for themselves what is vital and what
> is
> > > not rather than 
> > > declaring
> > > > what people do need. I have met a few users of
> > > musictechnology and 
> > > found
> > > > that not even users with the same gear work
> the
> > > same.
> > > > 
> > > > Furthermore I find endless rows of exclamation
> > > marks a bit on the 
> > > unserious
> > > > side, but perhaps that is just me. I just try
> to
> > > stick to standard
> > > > netiquette...
> > > > 
> > > > /Andreas
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > > > To: <Doepfer_a100@y...>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 2:47 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A little about
> that
> > > touch keyboard
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > ooooooo.......don't you understand that this
> > > sequencer
> > > > > NEEDS to be with the sensor keyboard???the
> keys
> > > of the
> 
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o.k.,sorry andreas,
i use this(!!!!!!!)to express excitement/happines about something 
new/good...i didn't know that it was for shouting(but i think 
shouting requires the capital letters,too??,i really don't know...)
bakis,






 In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> 
wrote:
> Go look it up please I don't want to be a rule and ethics officer I 
just
> pointed out that there are simple guidlines about general chat and 
mail
> ethics that helps in avoiding insults and unnessecary bad mouthing. 
It is
> generally considered impolite to shout at people and THIS IS
> SHOUTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> This will be my last line about this issue. Read up or just state 
that you

> don't mean anything with it and I will ignore it.
> 
> /Andreas
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm"
> > <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> > > and by the way
> > > google up netiquette or net ettiquete...
> > >
> > > /Andreas
> > what exactly do you mean here???my english aren't very good...
> > bakis.
> >
> >

Thank you for that Florian, as to what is to respected about something that
you don't like I am not sure why you feel that. I feel that credits and
praise should go where and to whom they belong and also criticism to those
that have that coming. In the case of Doepfer a bit of both.

And if you haven't noticed I am happy with most my doepfer gear, but I don't
feel any particular need to say how great I find the A111 and the Vocoder
modules. After all it is as you said, we mark that buy buying the gear. I
feel it is more important to mention what we are unhappy with cause that
Doepfer can do something about. What can they do with remarks like "it is
perfect"? Gloat about it perhaps, but certainly not make any improovements
as I see it. I am interrested in improovements of old as well as new gear;)


/Andreas



> I think, your ideas of making mdular systems are not bad, but I respect
the

> decision of Doepfer to follow other ideas.
>
> Florian
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Sorry, RM. I see you have written quite a lot about different specs on the
TSK and other thing and they seem valid to me, but quite frankly you wrote i
too much details so I lost track. I hope somebody understood it better than
me. So I can't really say anything since I couldn't follow it all and I
don't have that much to say abou a keyboard I don't need.

Go look it up please I don't want to be a rule and ethics officer I just
pointed out that there are simple guidlines about general chat and mail
ethics that helps in avoiding insults and unnessecary bad mouthing. It is
generally considered impolite to shout at people and THIS IS
SHOUTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will be my last line about this issue. Read up or just state that you
don't mean anything with it and I will ignore it.

/Andreas

> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "Andreas Lindholm"
> <andreas.k.lindholm@t...> wrote:
> > and by the way
> > google up netiquette or net ettiquete...
> >
> > /Andreas
> what exactly do you mean here???my english aren't very good...
> bakis.
>
>