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A-155 mod question

2005-09-18 by Nicholas Keller

I would like to add a send/return loop to the voltage rows of my A-155 
so I can run the signals to A-156 Quantizer before routing them back 
through the slew limiters inside A-155.  

Any ideas?  Dieter?  

I know I could use the PRE-OUT as my send, so a single normalled 
socket interrupting the signal going to the slew limiter would be all 
I'd need to add......  but where exactly can I make this 
interruption?  Shouldn't it be between the center pin of J2 
(potentiometer board)....and where that trace branches off to C2 and 
IC3,pin12 ?   

That seems correct to me, but all help is appreciated.  

Thanks

n keller

AW: [Doepfer_a100] A-155 mod question

2005-09-19 by Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Nicholas Keller
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. September 2005 21:00
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] A-155 mod question
>
>
> I would like to add a send/return loop to the voltage rows of my A-155
> so I can run the signals to A-156 Quantizer before routing them back
> through the slew limiters inside A-155.
>
> Any ideas?  Dieter?
>
> I know I could use the PRE-OUT as my send, so a single normalled
> socket interrupting the signal going to the slew limiter would be all
> I'd need to add......  but where exactly can I make this
> interruption?  Shouldn't it be between the center pin of J2
> (potentiometer board)....and where that trace branches off to C2 and
> IC3,pin12 ?

No. That's not the right point.

> That seems correct to me, but all help is appreciated.

No. You have to make the insert between pin 8 of the TL084 (output OpAmp O3)
and pin 4 of the electronic switch (CD4053) that is used for the S&H
circuit. An of course an additional socket is required for the insert
function.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] A-155 mod question

2005-09-19 by n keller

Dieter,

Thank you so much for your reply.  I will try this when I get home from work 
today and post my results if anyone is interested.

n keller

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RE: A-155 mod question

2005-11-07 by n keller

Dieter,

A while ago I asked you about the mod mentioned at the bottom of this page, 
creating an insert to the A-155 GLIDE section for returning a 156-quantized, 
PRE-OUT signal.    You said that such an insert should be placed between Pin 
8/TL064 --- and ----  Pin 4/CD4053.   I asked Shawn ( US Rep )  to 
cross-check your instructions with the service manual since they did not 
seem to match my A-155 PCB.  I think the service manual and therefore your 
advice might have been "backwards".

   According to Shawn, the service manual shows, as you said, Pin 8/TL064 
connecting to Pin4/CD4053, and Pins 3 and 5 of CD4053 connecting to the S/H 
polarity jumper.   My PCB has this "switch" and jumper the other way 
around....so Pin 8/TL064 connects to center pin of jumper, outer pins of 
jumper still connect to Pins 3 and 5 of CD4053, and Pin 4/CD4053 connects to 
a cap and Pin 12/TL064.  Phew.

OK, so the mod should actually go between pin 8 of TL064 and the center pin 
of S/H jumper, correct?

While you have the schematics at hand........ I also asked about adding a 
set of AC coupling caps and a switch for when I want to use A-155 as graphic 
VCO.   I've been trying to decide where to place them so that I can effect 
both PRE and POST outs with one cap per CV row.  I could wire things around 
Pin 8/TL064 to make it work, but can I put the caps between Pin7/TL064 and 
R3 so that both outputs are AC coupled?

  I sincerely appreciate you time and your help.  Thank you.

Nicholas Keller

=============================

>From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@doepfer.de>
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] A-155 mod question
>Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:53:37 +0200
>
>
>
> > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Nicholas Keller
> > Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. September 2005 21:00
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] A-155 mod question
> >
> >
> > I would like to add a send/return loop to the voltage rows of my A-155
> > so I can run the signals to A-156 Quantizer before routing them back
> > through the slew limiters inside A-155.
> >
> > Any ideas?  Dieter?
> >
> > I know I could use the PRE-OUT as my send, so a single normalled
> > socket interrupting the signal going to the slew limiter would be all
> > I'd need to add......  but where exactly can I make this
> > interruption?  Shouldn't it be between the center pin of J2
> > (potentiometer board)....and where that trace branches off to C2 and
> > IC3,pin12 ?
>
>No. That's not the right point.
>
> > That seems correct to me, but all help is appreciated.
>
>No. You have to make the insert between pin 8 of the TL084 (output OpAmp 
>O3)
>and pin 4 of the electronic switch (CD4053) that is used for the S&H
>circuit. An of course an additional socket is required for the insert
>function.
>
>Best wishes
>Dieter Doepfer
>

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AW: [Doepfer_a100] RE: A-155 mod question

2005-11-07 by Dieter Doepfer

Nicholas,

I will have to look at the A-155 documents and compare it with a "real"
A-155 to find this out. So far we discovered no errors in the A-155 service
manual but maybe that's because they had no influence on the "normal" A-155
production and operation but possibly for circuit modifications. This might
be possible as the A-155 was designed many years ago with an old CAD
software that had no backward annotation between schematics and pc board
(i.e. one could modify the pc board without automatic readback to the
schematics).

As I'm very bus at the moment I ask for a bit patience. Maybe Matthias could
do this for me. Please contact me directly (hardware@doepfer.de) if I will
forget to answer.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von n keller
> Gesendet: Montag, 7. November 2005 06:21
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] RE: A-155 mod question
>
>
> Dieter,
>
> A while ago I asked you about the mod mentioned at the bottom of this
page,
> creating an insert to the A-155 GLIDE section for returning a
156-quantized,
> PRE-OUT signal.    You said that such an insert should be placed between
Pin
> 8/TL064 --- and ----  Pin 4/CD4053.   I asked Shawn ( US Rep )  to
> cross-check your instructions with the service manual since they did not
> seem to match my A-155 PCB.  I think the service manual and therefore your
> advice might have been "backwards".
>
>    According to Shawn, the service manual shows, as you said, Pin 8/TL064
> connecting to Pin4/CD4053, and Pins 3 and 5 of CD4053 connecting to the
S/H
> polarity jumper.   My PCB has this "switch" and jumper the other way
> around....so Pin 8/TL064 connects to center pin of jumper, outer pins of
> jumper still connect to Pins 3 and 5 of CD4053, and Pin 4/CD4053 connects
to
> a cap and Pin 12/TL064.  Phew.
>
> OK, so the mod should actually go between pin 8 of TL064 and the center
pin
> of S/H jumper, correct?
>
> While you have the schematics at hand........ I also asked about adding a
> set of AC coupling caps and a switch for when I want to use A-155 as
graphic
> VCO.   I've been trying to decide where to place them so that I can effect
> both PRE and POST outs with one cap per CV row.  I could wire things
around
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Pin 8/TL064 to make it work, but can I put the caps between Pin7/TL064 and
> R3 so that both outputs are AC coupled?
>
>   I sincerely appreciate you time and your help.  Thank you.
>
> Nicholas Keller
>
> =============================
>
> >From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@doepfer.de>
> >Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] A-155 mod question
> >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:53:37 +0200
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Nicholas Keller
> > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. September 2005 21:00
> > > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] A-155 mod question
> > >
> > >
> > > I would like to add a send/return loop to the voltage rows of my A-155
> > > so I can run the signals to A-156 Quantizer before routing them back
> > > through the slew limiters inside A-155.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?  Dieter?
> > >
> > > I know I could use the PRE-OUT as my send, so a single normalled
> > > socket interrupting the signal going to the slew limiter would be all
> > > I'd need to add......  but where exactly can I make this
> > > interruption?  Shouldn't it be between the center pin of J2
> > > (potentiometer board)....and where that trace branches off to C2 and
> > > IC3,pin12 ?
> >
> >No. That's not the right point.
> >
> > > That seems correct to me, but all help is appreciated.
> >
> >No. You have to make the insert between pin 8 of the TL084 (output OpAmp
> >O3)
> >and pin 4 of the electronic switch (CD4053) that is used for the S&H
> >circuit. An of course an additional socket is required for the insert
> >function.
> >
> >Best wishes
> >Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
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A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-11 by Zoran Bosnjak

Hello,

I purchased A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) recently, and I noticed that when 
rotating Shift knob towards value 10, and applying control voltage to CV1, 
the module stops functioning. I have to turn the whole case off and on, to 
reset it and have it work again.

Is this behaviour by design or my unit is faulty ?

Regards,

Zoran

Re: [Doepfer_a100] A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-11 by Bakis Sirros

hello zoran,
it seems to me that your a126 vcfs needs repair.
bakis.





--- Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> I purchased A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) recently,
> and I noticed that when 
> rotating Shift knob towards value 10, and applying
> control voltage to CV1, 
> the module stops functioning. I have to turn the
> whole case off and on, to 
> reset it and have it work again.
> 
> Is this behaviour by design or my unit is faulty ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Zoran
> 
> 
> 


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Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-12 by Tommy DOG

Then mine does too.
It's always behaved like that.

TD

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> hello zoran,
> it seems to me that your a126 vcfs needs repair.
> bakis.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@h...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I purchased A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) recently,
> > and I noticed that when 
> > rotating Shift knob towards value 10, and applying
> > control voltage to CV1, 
> > the module stops functioning. I have to turn the
> > whole case off and on, to 
> > reset it and have it work again.
> > 
> > Is this behaviour by design or my unit is faulty ?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Zoran
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros
> Parallel Worlds
> Athens-Greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> http://www.rubber.gr
> 
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Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-12 by sci700

same problem with mine,
anyone got a solution to it..?

/daniel




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tommy DOG" <mrsvomit@t...> wrote:
>
> Then mine does too.
> It's always behaved like that.
> 
> TD
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> 
wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> >
> > hello zoran,
> > it seems to me that your a126 vcfs needs repair.
> > bakis.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I purchased A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) recently,
> > > and I noticed that when 
> > > rotating Shift knob towards value 10, and applying
> > > control voltage to CV1, 
> > > the module stops functioning. I have to turn the
> > > whole case off and on, to 
> > > reset it and have it work again.
> > > 
> > > Is this behaviour by design or my unit is faulty ?
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Zoran
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bakis Sirros
> > Parallel Worlds
> > Athens-Greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> > http://www.rubber.gr
> > 
> > 
> > 		
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-12 by Bakis Sirros

wierd. i have used my a126 many times and i have never
noticed the a126 stop working.... quite possibly i
have never turned the shift knob to about 10?
bakis.





--- Tommy DOG <mrsvomit@tommydog.com> wrote:

> Then mine does too.
> It's always behaved like that.
> 
> TD
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> >
> > hello zoran,
> > it seems to me that your a126 vcfs needs repair.
> > bakis.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I purchased A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter)
> recently,
> > > and I noticed that when 
> > > rotating Shift knob towards value 10, and
> applying
> > > control voltage to CV1, 
> > > the module stops functioning. I have to turn the
> > > whole case off and on, to 
> > > reset it and have it work again.
> > > 
> > > Is this behaviour by design or my unit is faulty
> ?
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > Zoran
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bakis Sirros
> > Parallel Worlds
> > Athens-Greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> > http://www.rubber.gr
> > 
> > 
> > 		
> > __________________________________ 
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> one click.
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> 


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[Doepfer_a100] group owner
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Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-12 by Tim Stinchcombe

I'm not aware of any problem like this with mine, but from memory, 
the amplitude of the internal oscillator takes a while to settle down 
after a CV change, and so (I'm guessing here) maybe at high CV it is 
possible that it might stop running completely. I'll check it out 
later today and report back then...

Tim

> same problem with mine,
> anyone got a solution to it..?
> 
> /daniel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tommy DOG" <mrsvomit@t...> 
wrote:
> >
> > Then mine does too.
> > It's always behaved like that.
> > 
> > TD
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> wrote:
> > >
> > > hello zoran,
> > > it seems to me that your a126 vcfs needs repair.
> > > bakis.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > I purchased A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) recently,
> > > > and I noticed that when 
> > > > rotating Shift knob towards value 10, and applying
> > > > control voltage to CV1, 
> > > > the module stops functioning. I have to turn the
> > > > whole case off and on, to 
> > > > reset it and have it work again.
> > > > 
> > > > Is this behaviour by design or my unit is faulty ?
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > 
> > > > Zoran
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bakis Sirros
> > > Parallel Worlds
> > > Athens-Greece
> > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> > > http://www.rubber.gr
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-12 by selfoscillate

hello,

i checked the service manual of the a126 and i think
that i found the possible reasons for the malfunction,
but these should only occour with the first two
production series of the a126. a freshly
purchased a126 shouldn't have these problems
and should be returned for service in that case.

this is a rough translation from german to english,
i apologize for possible errors. if somebody is
interested, i can post the full text in german.
i guess this is ok, dieter?

1. check the ic5 and ic9 on the pcb. if these are tl064,
then maybe they should be replaced with tl084.

2. the sine/cosine vco is built around a cem3382,
which works correctly in a range of 50 - 5000 hz.
however, if you turn the freq knob fully cw and
apply a control voltage, you may go beyond these
limits and the cem3382 stops oscillating.
this happens when the voltage applied to the cem3382 ic
exceeds +6 volts. to prevent this, a 5.6 volts zener diode
has to be inserted between ground and the voltage inputs
of the cem3382 (the anode to ground).

3. when the a126 is modulated with a square wave at
audio frequencies, then under rare circumstances the
cem3382 stops oscillating too. this can be prevented
by adding a 1nf capacitor between r51 and p12.

hope this helps clearing up the issue.

best wishes

ingo



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Stinchcombe" 
<timothy@t...> wrote:
>
> I'm not aware of any problem like this with mine, but from memory, 
> the amplitude of the internal oscillator takes a while to settle 
down 
> after a CV change, and so (I'm guessing here) maybe at high CV it 
is 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> possible that it might stop running completely. I'll check it out 
> later today and report back then...
> 
> Tim
> 
> > same problem with mine,
> > anyone got a solution to it..?
> > 
> > /daniel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tommy DOG" <mrsvomit@t...> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Then mine does too.
> > > It's always behaved like that.
> > > 
> > > TD
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hello zoran,
> > > > it seems to me that your a126 vcfs needs repair.
> > > > bakis.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@h...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I purchased A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) recently,
> > > > > and I noticed that when 
> > > > > rotating Shift knob towards value 10, and applying
> > > > > control voltage to CV1, 
> > > > > the module stops functioning. I have to turn the
> > > > > whole case off and on, to 
> > > > > reset it and have it work again.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is this behaviour by design or my unit is faulty ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Zoran
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Bakis Sirros
> > > > Parallel Worlds
> > > > Athens-Greece
> > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > > http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> > > > http://www.rubber.gr
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 		
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Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-12 by Tim Stinchcombe

Well done Ingo! After spending some minutes with mine and taking some 
readings etc., it was clear it works fine, and then I discovered my 
PCB has a few components added on the solder-side, some of which are 
connected with the internal oscillator. By the way, ic5 and ic9 are 
at the bottom of the board, amongst the MC1496s, and _not_ the three 
TL064s in a row at the top of the board.

Tim
 
> i checked the service manual of the a126 and i think
> that i found the possible reasons for the malfunction,
> but these should only occour with the first two
> production series of the a126. a freshly
> purchased a126 shouldn't have these problems
> and should be returned for service in that case.
> 
> this is a rough translation from german to english,
> i apologize for possible errors. if somebody is
> interested, i can post the full text in german.
> i guess this is ok, dieter?
> 
> 1. check the ic5 and ic9 on the pcb. if these are tl064,
> then maybe they should be replaced with tl084.
> 
> 2. the sine/cosine vco is built around a cem3382,
> which works correctly in a range of 50 - 5000 hz.
> however, if you turn the freq knob fully cw and
> apply a control voltage, you may go beyond these
> limits and the cem3382 stops oscillating.
> this happens when the voltage applied to the cem3382 ic
> exceeds +6 volts. to prevent this, a 5.6 volts zener diode
> has to be inserted between ground and the voltage inputs
> of the cem3382 (the anode to ground).
> 
> 3. when the a126 is modulated with a square wave at
> audio frequencies, then under rare circumstances the
> cem3382 stops oscillating too. this can be prevented
> by adding a 1nf capacitor between r51 and p12.
> 
> hope this helps clearing up the issue.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> ingo
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Stinchcombe" 
> <timothy@t...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not aware of any problem like this with mine, but from 
memory, 
> > the amplitude of the internal oscillator takes a while to settle 
> down 
> > after a CV change, and so (I'm guessing here) maybe at high CV it 
> is 
> > possible that it might stop running completely. I'll check it out 
> > later today and report back then...
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > > same problem with mine,
> > > anyone got a solution to it..?
> > > 
> > > /daniel
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tommy DOG" 
<mrsvomit@t...> 
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> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Then mine does too.
> > > > It's always behaved like that.
> > > > 
> > > > TD
> > > > 
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> > <synth_freak_2000@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hello zoran,
> > > > > it seems to me that your a126 vcfs needs repair.
> > > > > bakis.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@h...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I purchased A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) recently,
> > > > > > and I noticed that when 
> > > > > > rotating Shift knob towards value 10, and applying
> > > > > > control voltage to CV1, 
> > > > > > the module stops functioning. I have to turn the
> > > > > > whole case off and on, to 
> > > > > > reset it and have it work again.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is this behaviour by design or my unit is faulty ?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bakis Sirros
> > > > > Parallel Worlds
> > > > > Athens-Greece
> > > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
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> > > > > http://www.rubber.gr
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Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-12 by Zoran Bosnjak

My Frequency Shifter has four TL064CN's and one TL084CN. That single TL084 
is at the bottom, close to DOEPFER sign in the corner. Is this how it is 
supposed to be ?

Regards,

Zoran

1. check the ic5 and ic9 on the pcb. if these are tl064,
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>then maybe they should be replaced with tl084.


>From: "selfoscillate" <synaptic_music@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem
>Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:45:46 -0000
>
>
>hello,
>
>i checked the service manual of the a126 and i think
>that i found the possible reasons for the malfunction,
>but these should only occour with the first two
>production series of the a126. a freshly
>purchased a126 shouldn't have these problems
>and should be returned for service in that case.
>
>this is a rough translation from german to english,
>i apologize for possible errors. if somebody is
>interested, i can post the full text in german.
>i guess this is ok, dieter?
>
>1. check the ic5 and ic9 on the pcb. if these are tl064,
>then maybe they should be replaced with tl084.
>
>2. the sine/cosine vco is built around a cem3382,
>which works correctly in a range of 50 - 5000 hz.
>however, if you turn the freq knob fully cw and
>apply a control voltage, you may go beyond these
>limits and the cem3382 stops oscillating.
>this happens when the voltage applied to the cem3382 ic
>exceeds +6 volts. to prevent this, a 5.6 volts zener diode
>has to be inserted between ground and the voltage inputs
>of the cem3382 (the anode to ground).
>
>3. when the a126 is modulated with a square wave at
>audio frequencies, then under rare circumstances the
>cem3382 stops oscillating too. this can be prevented
>by adding a 1nf capacitor between r51 and p12.
>
>hope this helps clearing up the issue.
>
>best wishes
>
>ingo
>
>
>
>--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Stinchcombe"
><timothy@t...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not aware of any problem like this with mine, but from memory,
> > the amplitude of the internal oscillator takes a while to settle
>down
> > after a CV change, and so (I'm guessing here) maybe at high CV it
>is
> > possible that it might stop running completely. I'll check it out
> > later today and report back then...
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > > same problem with mine,
> > > anyone got a solution to it..?
> > >
> > > /daniel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tommy DOG" <mrsvomit@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Then mine does too.
> > > > It's always behaved like that.
> > > >
> > > > TD
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> > <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hello zoran,
> > > > > it seems to me that your a126 vcfs needs repair.
> > > > > bakis.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@h...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I purchased A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) recently,
> > > > > > and I noticed that when
> > > > > > rotating Shift knob towards value 10, and applying
> > > > > > control voltage to CV1,
> > > > > > the module stops functioning. I have to turn the
> > > > > > whole case off and on, to
> > > > > > reset it and have it work again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is this behaviour by design or my unit is faulty ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bakis Sirros
> > > > > Parallel Worlds
> > > > > Athens-Greece
> > > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > > > http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> > > > > http://www.rubber.gr
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > __________________________________
> > > > > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.
> > > > > http://farechase.yahoo.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>

Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-12 by Tim Stinchcombe

Hi Zoran,

> My Frequency Shifter has four TL064CN's and one TL084CN. That 
single TL084 
> is at the bottom, close to DOEPFER sign in the corner. Is this how 
it is 
> supposed to be ?

That is IC9: thus, that your IC5 is still a TL064, then it is likely 
you have an earlier module without the modifications.

IC5 is the next TL064 up, near the PA382, or CEM3382 (and so not any 
of the three-in-a-row at the top). On mine it has clearly been 
replaced after the module was initially soldered. But an easier way 
to tell if your module is modified is to look at the solder side, 
where you should see 4 extra components: 3 of these are near the 
underside if IC5 - (probably) an orangy-red zener diode (the key 
component if it is missing!), a largish round capacitor (perhaps 
marked '10u' or '33u'), and (probably) a flattish, square capacitor 
(perhaps marked '1200' or '1000' or '1n' or similar); the other extra 
component is a diode under IC10/78L09 (to the right of the right 
MC1496, viewed on top).

If these are missing, the zener diode is the key one - whilst the 
service manual says to use a 5V6, mine actually has a 5V1 one fitted.

(Locating the components on this board is tricky: the printing is 
quite bad on mine, and of course most of the components obscure it 
any way. This is one of the few modules for which I have the service 
manual, which includes a picture of the component layout, so if you 
need any more help, let me know.)

Tim

RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-12 by Zoran Bosnjak

Thank you Tim and Ingo!

Beside IC5 (TL064), one of the extra components on the solder side is 
missing. I talked to my dealer (Technopolis, Montreal), and he wants 
confirmation from Mr. Doepfer on what exactly needs to be done. However, my 
opinion is that you guys were really fantastic, and I thank you so much for 
your excellent replies. Regards,

Zoran
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>From: "Tim Stinchcombe" <timothy@tstinchcombe.freeserve.co.uk>
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem
>Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:00:12 -0000
>
>Hi Zoran,
>
> > My Frequency Shifter has four TL064CN's and one TL084CN. That
>single TL084
> > is at the bottom, close to DOEPFER sign in the corner. Is this how
>it is
> > supposed to be ?
>
>That is IC9: thus, that your IC5 is still a TL064, then it is likely
>you have an earlier module without the modifications.
>
>IC5 is the next TL064 up, near the PA382, or CEM3382 (and so not any
>of the three-in-a-row at the top). On mine it has clearly been
>replaced after the module was initially soldered. But an easier way
>to tell if your module is modified is to look at the solder side,
>where you should see 4 extra components: 3 of these are near the
>underside if IC5 - (probably) an orangy-red zener diode (the key
>component if it is missing!), a largish round capacitor (perhaps
>marked '10u' or '33u'), and (probably) a flattish, square capacitor
>(perhaps marked '1200' or '1000' or '1n' or similar); the other extra
>component is a diode under IC10/78L09 (to the right of the right
>MC1496, viewed on top).
>
>If these are missing, the zener diode is the key one - whilst the
>service manual says to use a 5V6, mine actually has a 5V1 one fitted.
>
>(Locating the components on this board is tricky: the printing is
>quite bad on mine, and of course most of the components obscure it
>any way. This is one of the few modules for which I have the service
>manual, which includes a picture of the component layout, so if you
>need any more help, let me know.)
>
>Tim
>
>
>

AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem

2005-11-14 by Dieter Doepfer

Ingo,

thank you for the translation (and sorry for my late response but I was very
bus last week even because of the A-100 live event in the Munic culture
center "GASTEIG"). This is indeed the explanation.

The most important part is the z-diode (5V1 or 5V6) between the control
voltage inputs of the CEM3382/PA382 and GND. This limits the control voltage
appearing the CV inputs to about +5V. Turning the manual frequency knob
fully CW and adding an external voltage could exceed +5V and the CEM3382
will stop working.

From the records of Roland Mayer (he was responsible for the A-126 and it's
modification) all A-126 manufactured ~ summer 1999 and later should be
already equipped with the additional parts of your translation (especially
the z-diode). Only for older A-126 (production before summer 1999) the
modifications should be missing. It is very easy to find out if the module
has been modified: at the bottom of the pc board several parts should be
soldered in addition.

I have a MS word document available that shows the bottom of the pc board
and all additionally parts. Please contact me directly (hardware@doepfer.de)
and I will send the document to anybody who is interested.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer


Additional information: As of now only A-100 PSU II will be manufactured
(toroid/ring core transformer, 1200mA). The old version of the A-100 PSU
(standard transformer, 650mA) will be no longer manufactured. We sell the
old version only while stocks last.
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von selfoscillate
> Gesendet: Samstag, 12. November 2005 13:46
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) Problem
>
> hello,
>
> i checked the service manual of the a126 and i think
> that i found the possible reasons for the malfunction,
> but these should only occour with the first two
> production series of the a126. a freshly
> purchased a126 shouldn't have these problems
> and should be returned for service in that case.
>
> this is a rough translation from german to english,
> i apologize for possible errors. if somebody is
> interested, i can post the full text in german.
> i guess this is ok, dieter?
>
> 1. check the ic5 and ic9 on the pcb. if these are tl064,
> then maybe they should be replaced with tl084.
>
> 2. the sine/cosine vco is built around a cem3382,
> which works correctly in a range of 50 - 5000 hz.
> however, if you turn the freq knob fully cw and
> apply a control voltage, you may go beyond these
> limits and the cem3382 stops oscillating.
> this happens when the voltage applied to the cem3382 ic
> exceeds +6 volts. to prevent this, a 5.6 volts zener diode
> has to be inserted between ground and the voltage inputs
> of the cem3382 (the anode to ground).
>
> 3. when the a126 is modulated with a square wave at
> audio frequencies, then under rare circumstances the
> cem3382 stops oscillating too. this can be prevented
> by adding a 1nf capacitor between r51 and p12.
>
> hope this helps clearing up the issue.
>
> best wishes
>
> ingo
>
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Stinchcombe"
> <timothy@t...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not aware of any problem like this with mine, but from memory,
> > the amplitude of the internal oscillator takes a while to settle
> down
> > after a CV change, and so (I'm guessing here) maybe at high CV it
> is
> > possible that it might stop running completely. I'll check it out
> > later today and report back then...
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > > same problem with mine,
> > > anyone got a solution to it..?
> > >
> > > /daniel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Tommy DOG" <mrsvomit@t...>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Then mine does too.
> > > > It's always behaved like that.
> > > >
> > > > TD
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> > <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hello zoran,
> > > > > it seems to me that your a126 vcfs needs repair.
> > > > > bakis.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@h...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I purchased A-126 VCFS (Frequency Shifter) recently,
> > > > > > and I noticed that when
> > > > > > rotating Shift knob towards value 10, and applying
> > > > > > control voltage to CV1,
> > > > > > the module stops functioning. I have to turn the
> > > > > > whole case off and on, to
> > > > > > reset it and have it work again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is this behaviour by design or my unit is faulty ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bakis Sirros
> > > > > Parallel Worlds
> > > > > Athens-Greece
> > > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > > > http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> > > > > http://www.rubber.gr
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