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I've been debating between the A-137 and a Metalbox Wave Folder.  Can anybody weigh in with some wildly biased opinions?

Bryan

>>> Florian.Anwander@consol.de 10/24/05 3:57 AM >>>
Hi

> Dieter Dopefer has pulled a off a big winner with the A-137 Wave 
> Multiplier.  One of the most unique sound modifiers to come 
> around in some time, and argueably the best waveshaper ever 
> released IMHO.  
I definitely can subscribe this. The A137 is my favourite module from 
the first moment.


> Tune to Saw VCO's to octaves, mix them, put them both thorugh 
> one wave multiplier.  
Don't mix the input signal. Use one VCO as carrier and the other as 
Modulator (I call it 'waveshaping cross modulation')!



> Trouble in paradise:  One thing I wish for is a VC level control
> input.  Many timbral variations occur based on how hard to drive
> the clippers.  You can do it with an external VCA of course
> leading into the device, but it would have been wack had it been
> an A-137 feature.
This is not a trouble it is the best feature and one really important 
note for every use of a wavemultiplier or distortion is:
If you want to modulate the effect dynamically (Envelope, LFO, ...), the 
it is much better to modulate the level of the input signal instead of 
modulating the waveshaping effect.


Example:
Not good:
         ENV
          |
VCO -> A137 -> VCA

Better:
        ENV
         |
VCO -> VCA -> A137


The best (and most simple) example is feeding a TR808 style drumset with 
bass drum and different toms through the A-137. Use only very short 
Hihats and no noise like clap or shaker.


Florian




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I too must admid that the A137 is one hell of a module!
In the top 3 of my favourite A100 modules for sure!


Ernst

On 10/24/05, Bryan E Cornell <bcor@loc.gov> wrote:
>  I've been debating between the A-137 and a Metalbox Wave Folder.  Can
> anybody weigh in with some wildly biased opinions?
>
>  Bryan
>
>  >>> Florian.Anwander@consol.de 10/24/05 3:57 AM >>>
>
>  Hi
>
>  > Dieter Dopefer has pulled a off a big winner with the A-137 Wave
>  > Multiplier.  One of the most unique sound modifiers to come
>  > around in some time, and argueably the best waveshaper ever
>  > released IMHO.
>  I definitely can subscribe this. The A137 is my favourite module from
>  the first moment.
>
>
>  > Tune to Saw VCO's to octaves, mix them, put them both thorugh
>  > one wave multiplier.
>  Don't mix the input signal. Use one VCO as carrier and the other as
>  Modulator (I call it 'waveshaping cross modulation')!
>
>
>
>  > Trouble in paradise:  One thing I wish for is a VC level control
>  > input.  Many timbral variations occur based on how hard to drive
>  > the clippers.  You can do it with an external VCA of course
>  > leading into the device, but it would have been wack had it been
>  > an A-137 feature.
>  This is not a trouble it is the best feature and one really important
>  note for every use of a wavemultiplier or distortion is:
>  If you want to modulate the effect dynamically (Envelope, LFO, ...), the
>  it is much better to modulate the level of the input signal instead of
>  modulating the waveshaping effect.
>
>
>  Example:
>  Not good:
>           ENV
>            |
>  VCO -> A137 -> VCA
>
>  Better:
>          ENV
>           |
>  VCO -> VCA -> A137
>
>
>  The best (and most simple) example is feeding a TR808 style drumset with
>  bass drum and different toms through the A-137. Use only very short
>  Hihats and no noise like clap or shaker.
>
>
>  Florian
>
>
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I had the A137, sold it. Bought the Metalbox one,
still have it. I'd say the Metalbox has a MUCH
stronger effect on the waveform, to my ears.

cheers,
RSA

--- Bryan E Cornell <bcor@loc.gov> wrote:

> I've been debating between the A-137 and a Metalbox
> Wave Folder.  Can anybody weigh in with some wildly
> biased opinions?
> 
> Bryan
> 
> >>> Florian.Anwander@consol.de 10/24/05 3:57 AM >>>
> Hi
> 
> > Dieter Dopefer has pulled a off a big winner with
> the A-137 Wave 
> > Multiplier.  One of the most unique sound
> modifiers to come 
> > around in some time, and argueably the best
> waveshaper ever 
> > released IMHO.  
> I definitely can subscribe this. The A137 is my
> favourite module from 
> the first moment.
> 
> 
> > Tune to Saw VCO's to octaves, mix them, put them
> both thorugh 
> > one wave multiplier.  
> Don't mix the input signal. Use one VCO as carrier
> and the other as 
> Modulator (I call it 'waveshaping cross
> modulation')!
> 
> 
> 
> > Trouble in paradise:  One thing I wish for is a VC
> level control
> > input.  Many timbral variations occur based on how
> hard to drive
> > the clippers.  You can do it with an external VCA
> of course
> > leading into the device, but it would have been
> wack had it been
> > an A-137 feature.
> This is not a trouble it is the best feature and one
> really important 
> note for every use of a wavemultiplier or distortion
> is:
> If you want to modulate the effect dynamically
> (Envelope, LFO, ...), the 
> it is much better to modulate the level of the input
> signal instead of 
> modulating the waveshaping effect.
> 
> 
> Example:
> Not good:
>          ENV
>           |
> VCO -> A137 -> VCA
> 
> Better:
>         ENV
>          |
> VCO -> VCA -> A137
> 
> 
> The best (and most simple) example is feeding a
> TR808 style drumset with 
> bass drum and different toms through the A-137. Use
> only very short 
> Hihats and no noise like clap or shaker.
> 
> 
> Florian
> 
> 
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Unless I'm mistaken, the Metalbox wavefolder is Ken Stone's 
Wave Multiplier board with a fracplate. It this is the case, it's real 
real close to the Serge multiplier and this was not intentional on 
Ken's part - he didn't just copy Serge's.  The Serge Wave 
Multiplier is more in your face, that's for sure - but IMHO it's not 
so good at sublety, and this is where the A137 kicks butt.  For my 
$$$, it doesn't always need to yell.  

What's with the Metalbox sequential switch price?  sheesh - 
$400?  You know what's in those things?  Not much!

- P




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, RSA <wiard300@y...> 
wrote:

>
> I had the A137, sold it. Bought the Metalbox one,
> still have it. I'd say the Metalbox has a MUCH
> stronger effect on the waveform, to my ears.
> 
> cheers,
> RSA
> 
> --- Bryan E Cornell <bcor@l...> wrote:
> 
> > I've been debating between the A-137 and a Metalbox
> > Wave Folder.  Can anybody weigh in with some wildly
> > biased opinions?
> > 
> > Bryan
> > 
> > >>> Florian.Anwander@c... 10/24/05 3:57 AM >>>
> > Hi
> > 
> > > Dieter Dopefer has pulled a off a big winner with
> > the A-137 Wave 
> > > Multiplier.  One of the most unique sound
> > modifiers to come 
> > > around in some time, and argueably the best
> > waveshaper ever 
> > > released IMHO.  
> > I definitely can subscribe this. The A137 is my
> > favourite module from 
> > the first moment.
> > 
> > 
> > > Tune to Saw VCO's to octaves, mix them, put them
> > both thorugh 
> > > one wave multiplier.  
> > Don't mix the input signal. Use one VCO as carrier
> > and the other as 
> > Modulator (I call it 'waveshaping cross
> > modulation')!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Trouble in paradise:  One thing I wish for is a VC
> > level control
> > > input.  Many timbral variations occur based on how
> > hard to drive
> > > the clippers.  You can do it with an external VCA
> > of course
> > > leading into the device, but it would have been
> > wack had it been
> > > an A-137 feature.
> > This is not a trouble it is the best feature and one
> > really important 
> > note for every use of a wavemultiplier or distortion
> > is:
> > If you want to modulate the effect dynamically
> > (Envelope, LFO, ...), the 
> > it is much better to modulate the level of the input
> > signal instead of 
> > modulating the waveshaping effect.
> > 
> > 
> > Example:
> > Not good:
> >          ENV
> >           |
> > VCO -> A137 -> VCA
> > 
> > Better:
> >         ENV
> >          |
> > VCO -> VCA -> A137
> > 
> > 
> > The best (and most simple) example is feeding a
> > TR808 style drumset with 
> > bass drum and different toms through the A-137. Use
> > only very short 
> > Hihats and no noise like clap or shaker.
> > 
> > 
> > Florian
> > 
> > 
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hello bryan,

the metalbox/cgs wave multiplier incorporates three independent
wavefolders, but only one of these is voltage-controlled.
the other two are really simple and have manual control only.
one benefit of the module is that you can easily go
from "no effect" to "full effect". it is also a benefit to
have three folders, if you want to process more than one
sound at once with only one module. a drawback is that
the module sounds more dirty/noisy with high multiplicators
and that the overall sound is not so versatile.
not to mention the higher price compared to the a137.

the a137 is more versatile in terms of sound, it offers
more parameters, more voltage-control and it sounds
less dirty. the a137 incorporates one multiplier only,
but it is the most elaborated one.

if i had to choose one, i'd probably take the a137.

best wishes

ingo



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan E Cornell" <bcor@l...> 
wrote:
>
> I've been debating between the A-137 and a Metalbox Wave Folder.  
Can anybody weigh in with some wildly biased opinions?
> 
> Bryan
> 
> >>> Florian.Anwander@c... 10/24/05 3:57 AM >>>
> Hi
> 
> > Dieter Dopefer has pulled a off a big winner with the A-137 Wave 
> > Multiplier.  One of the most unique sound modifiers to come 
> > around in some time, and argueably the best waveshaper ever 
> > released IMHO.  
> I definitely can subscribe this. The A137 is my favourite module 
from 
> the first moment.
> 
> 
> > Tune to Saw VCO's to octaves, mix them, put them both thorugh 
> > one wave multiplier.  
> Don't mix the input signal. Use one VCO as carrier and the other as 
> Modulator (I call it 'waveshaping cross modulation')!
> 
> 
> 
> > Trouble in paradise:  One thing I wish for is a VC level control
> > input.  Many timbral variations occur based on how hard to drive
> > the clippers.  You can do it with an external VCA of course
> > leading into the device, but it would have been wack had it been
> > an A-137 feature.
> This is not a trouble it is the best feature and one really 
important 
> note for every use of a wavemultiplier or distortion is:
> If you want to modulate the effect dynamically (Envelope, 
LFO, ...), the 
> it is much better to modulate the level of the input signal instead 
of 
> modulating the waveshaping effect.
> 
> 
> Example:
> Not good:
>          ENV
>           |
> VCO -> A137 -> VCA
> 
> Better:
>         ENV
>          |
> VCO -> VCA -> A137
> 
> 
> The best (and most simple) example is feeding a TR808 style drumset 
with 
> bass drum and different toms through the A-137. Use only very short 
> Hihats and no noise like clap or shaker.
> 
> 
> Florian
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Service.
>

or just buy two a137's and have lots of functionality
and super noisy sound at the same time!
best regards,
bakis.




--- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> hello bryan,
> 
> the metalbox/cgs wave multiplier incorporates three
> independent
> wavefolders, but only one of these is
> voltage-controlled.
> the other two are really simple and have manual
> control only.
> one benefit of the module is that you can easily go
> from "no effect" to "full effect". it is also a
> benefit to
> have three folders, if you want to process more than
> one
> sound at once with only one module. a drawback is
> that
> the module sounds more dirty/noisy with high
> multiplicators
> and that the overall sound is not so versatile.
> not to mention the higher price compared to the
> a137.
> 
> the a137 is more versatile in terms of sound, it
> offers
> more parameters, more voltage-control and it sounds
> less dirty. the a137 incorporates one multiplier
> only,
> but it is the most elaborated one.
> 
> if i had to choose one, i'd probably take the a137.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> ingo
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan E
> Cornell" <bcor@l...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I've been debating between the A-137 and a
> Metalbox Wave Folder.  
> Can anybody weigh in with some wildly biased
> opinions?
> > 
> > Bryan
> > 
> > >>> Florian.Anwander@c... 10/24/05 3:57 AM >>>
> > Hi
> > 
> > > Dieter Dopefer has pulled a off a big winner
> with the A-137 Wave 
> > > Multiplier.  One of the most unique sound
> modifiers to come 
> > > around in some time, and argueably the best
> waveshaper ever 
> > > released IMHO.  
> > I definitely can subscribe this. The A137 is my
> favourite module 
> from 
> > the first moment.
> > 
> > 
> > > Tune to Saw VCO's to octaves, mix them, put them
> both thorugh 
> > > one wave multiplier.  
> > Don't mix the input signal. Use one VCO as carrier
> and the other as 
> > Modulator (I call it 'waveshaping cross
> modulation')!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Trouble in paradise:  One thing I wish for is a
> VC level control
> > > input.  Many timbral variations occur based on
> how hard to drive
> > > the clippers.  You can do it with an external
> VCA of course
> > > leading into the device, but it would have been
> wack had it been
> > > an A-137 feature.
> > This is not a trouble it is the best feature and
> one really 
> important 
> > note for every use of a wavemultiplier or
> distortion is:
> > If you want to modulate the effect dynamically
> (Envelope, 
> LFO, ...), the 
> > it is much better to modulate the level of the
> input signal instead 
> of 
> > modulating the waveshaping effect.
> > 
> > 
> > Example:
> > Not good:
> >          ENV
> >           |
> > VCO -> A137 -> VCA
> > 
> > Better:
> >         ENV
> >          |
> > VCO -> VCA -> A137
> > 
> > 
> > The best (and most simple) example is feeding a
> TR808 style drumset 
> with 
> > bass drum and different toms through the A-137.
> Use only very short 
> > Hihats and no noise like clap or shaker.
> > 
> > 
> > Florian
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS 
> > 
> >  Visit your group "Doepfer_a100" on the web.
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> to:
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Bakis Sirros
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