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A111 troubles

2005-10-29 by achtung_999

Hello everyone.

This week I had a very profitable a100 second hand buy.
Among all the goodies were two A111 VCOs.

I have connected both and immediately found out they were both out of tune with each 
other and with my a110s. 

I also noticed on my oscilloscope that the sawtooth from these babies is a rising one 
instead of a falling.. this is normal eh??

But the most scary thing is that one of the a111s has a clear defect.
If I turn the Pulse Width knob above the 5 position it starts to influence the pitch and the 
amplitude of the sine, saw and triangle waveforms!! 

I have been trying to tune the oscillators but I first would like to know the whole story 
before I continue...

Thanks,

Ernst

Re: [Doepfer_a100] A111 troubles

2005-10-29 by Bakis Sirros

hello ernst,
i am not sure, but one of my a111's had a similar
problem with the PW function (PW knob or pwm knob
+input) and the sine, triangle waveforms, and it
turned out to be a broken cem3340 chip.
but, i had again a similar problem with another of my
a111's (i have 8...) and all i had to do is first
insert and then unplug a patchcord in the hard sync
input of the a111. try this, maybe this will fix the
problem. dieter had once told me the reason for
thishard sync issue.. but i cannot remember it now...
just try this patchcord trick with the hard sync( and
softsync) jacks of your a111.
regards,
bakis.





--- achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello everyone.
> 
> This week I had a very profitable a100 second hand
> buy.
> Among all the goodies were two A111 VCOs.
> 
> I have connected both and immediately found out they
> were both out of tune with each 
> other and with my a110s. 
> 
> I also noticed on my oscilloscope that the sawtooth
> from these babies is a rising one 
> instead of a falling.. this is normal eh??
> 
> But the most scary thing is that one of the a111s
> has a clear defect.
> If I turn the Pulse Width knob above the 5 position
> it starts to influence the pitch and the 
> amplitude of the sine, saw and triangle waveforms!! 
> 
> I have been trying to tune the oscillators but I
> first would like to know the whole story 
> before I continue...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ernst
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 


Bakis Sirros
Parallel Worlds
Athens-Greece
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
http://www.rubber.gr


		
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] A111 troubles

2005-10-29 by achtung_999

Hey Bakis,

If I keep a patchcord inserted in the hardsync it indeed behaves normal.
But as soon as I unplug it the "PW feature" is back...
Hmm...
Was I right about the sawtooth wave?

Greetings,

Ernst

Re: [Doepfer_a100] A111 troubles

2005-10-29 by Bakis Sirros

hello ernst,
i think the solution to this is replace the hard sync
socket? (or spare a patchcable and leave it
connected...)
i do not know, exactly. just wait for dieter's reply.
i am sure he will explain why this happens.
what about the sawtooth wave?
bakis.




--- achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Bakis,
> 
> If I keep a patchcord inserted in the hardsync it
> indeed behaves normal.
> But as soon as I unplug it the "PW feature" is
> back...
> Hmm...
> Was I right about the sawtooth wave?
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Ernst
> 


Bakis Sirros
Parallel Worlds
Athens-Greece
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
http://www.rubber.gr


		
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] A111 troubles

2005-10-30 by Zoran Bosnjak

Is this the answer? Please look below to see Mr. Doepfer's response to me 
some time ago. Regards,

Zoran


>-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: Zoran Bosnjak [mailto:zoranbosnjak@hotmail.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. September 2004 21:59
>An: hardware@doepfer.de
>Cc: musicr@generation.net
>Betreff: A-111 Oscillator Problem
>
>
>Hello Mr. Doepfer,
>
>I have two A-111 oscillators. One of them has a problem with PW knob. And
>here it is: from 0 to 5, PW knob behaves as expected - it changes pulse
>width. But from 5.1 to 10, it changes a pitch of any waveform, not only
>square!
>
>The other oscillator is perfectly fine, and I am using it to
>compare it with
>faulty one.
>
>I am exploring this problem in very musical way - my faulty oscillator is
>capable of producing more wierd sounds than healthy one.
>
>So I really don't know what to do at this point. Please advise,
>
>Zoran Bosnjak

Our A-111 specialist Matthias Marass is on holidays until end of next week.
As far as I remember the problems you described are caused by the very
sensitive hard sync input. Normally the hard sync input is connected to GND
with the switching contact of the hard sync input if no plug is inserted.
Maybe the switching contact does not work any longer and causes the
problems. To find this out please try to put a signal into the hard sync
input. If the problems disappear this is the reason and the socket has to be
replaced (maybe the A-111 is still eqipped with the old version of the
sockets used until about 2001).
If you are able to replace the socket yourself we could send you a socket
for free if you have purchased the A-111 from us directly. Otherwise please
contact the representative where you purchased the module for a free socket.
From your message I cannot see your home country.

Otherwise the module has to be repaired in the factory.

Best regards
Dieter Doepfer
Doepfer Musikelektronik GmbH
Email address: hardware@doepfer.de
Web Site: www.doepfer.com
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>From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A111 troubles
>Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
>
>hello ernst,
>i think the solution to this is replace the hard sync
>socket? (or spare a patchcable and leave it
>connected...)
>i do not know, exactly. just wait for dieter's reply.
>i am sure he will explain why this happens.
>what about the sawtooth wave?
>bakis.
>
>
>
>
>--- achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
> > Hey Bakis,
> >
> > If I keep a patchcord inserted in the hardsync it
> > indeed behaves normal.
> > But as soon as I unplug it the "PW feature" is
> > back...
> > Hmm...
> > Was I right about the sawtooth wave?
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Ernst
> >
>
>
>Bakis Sirros
>Parallel Worlds
>Athens-Greece
>[Doepfer_a100] group owner
>http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
>http://www.rubber.gr
>
>
>
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a111 rising sawtooth --> was: Re: A111 troubles

2005-10-31 by selfoscillate

> Was I right about the sawtooth wave?

yes, the a111 has a rising sawtooth wave.
there is no audible difference for
rising or falling sawtooth waves,
it only makes a difference when the vco is used
as an lfo or as master vco for a wavetable
lookup device (like the blacet miniwave).
especially for this you want a rising sawtooth wave.

best wishes

ingo

Re: [Doepfer_a100] a111 rising sawtooth --> was: Re: A111 troubles

2005-10-31 by achtung_999

Indeed like the ramp function in Max/MSP..
Thanks for clearing that up.
Since the frontplate shows a falling sawtooth I was curious..
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On 10/31/05, selfoscillate <synaptic_music@yahoo.com> wrote:
>  > Was I right about the sawtooth wave?
>
>  yes, the a111 has a rising sawtooth wave.
>  there is no audible difference for
>  rising or falling sawtooth waves,
>  it only makes a difference when the vco is used
>  as an lfo or as master vco for a wavetable
>  lookup device (like the blacet miniwave).
>  especially for this you want a rising sawtooth wave.
>
>  best wishes
>
>  ingo
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] A111 troubles

2005-10-31 by achtung_999

Thanks that sort of answers the question.
Although I still face the massive task of tuning the oscillators.. ;-(
Do any of you here have some good tips on how to do that?
Both my effort were a bit frustrating.
The description op the Doepfer site is a wee bit minimal to my taste.
What I'm looking for is where to start and what to watch.

Thanks..

Ernst
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On 10/30/05, Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Is this the answer? Please look below to see Mr. Doepfer's response to me
> some time ago. Regards,
>
> Zoran
>
>
> >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >Von: Zoran Bosnjak [mailto:zoranbosnjak@hotmail.com]
> >Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. September 2004 21:59
> >An: hardware@doepfer.de
> >Cc: musicr@generation.net
> >Betreff: A-111 Oscillator Problem
> >
> >
> >Hello Mr. Doepfer,
> >
> >I have two A-111 oscillators. One of them has a problem with PW knob. And
> >here it is: from 0 to 5, PW knob behaves as expected - it changes pulse
> >width. But from 5.1 to 10, it changes a pitch of any waveform, not only
> >square!
> >
> >The other oscillator is perfectly fine, and I am using it to
> >compare it with
> >faulty one.
> >
> >I am exploring this problem in very musical way - my faulty oscillator is
> >capable of producing more wierd sounds than healthy one.
> >
> >So I really don't know what to do at this point. Please advise,
> >
> >Zoran Bosnjak
>
> Our A-111 specialist Matthias Marass is on holidays until end of next week.
> As far as I remember the problems you described are caused by the very
> sensitive hard sync input. Normally the hard sync input is connected to GND
> with the switching contact of the hard sync input if no plug is inserted.
> Maybe the switching contact does not work any longer and causes the
> problems. To find this out please try to put a signal into the hard sync
> input. If the problems disappear this is the reason and the socket has to be
> replaced (maybe the A-111 is still eqipped with the old version of the
> sockets used until about 2001).
> If you are able to replace the socket yourself we could send you a socket
> for free if you have purchased the A-111 from us directly. Otherwise please
> contact the representative where you purchased the module for a free socket.
> From your message I cannot see your home country.
>
> Otherwise the module has to be repaired in the factory.
>
> Best regards
> Dieter Doepfer
> Doepfer Musikelektronik GmbH
> Email address: hardware@doepfer.de
> Web Site: www.doepfer.com
>
>
>
> >From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A111 troubles
> >Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >hello ernst,
> >i think the solution to this is replace the hard sync
> >socket? (or spare a patchcable and leave it
> >connected...)
> >i do not know, exactly. just wait for dieter's reply.
> >i am sure he will explain why this happens.
> >what about the sawtooth wave?
> >bakis.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Bakis,
> > >
> > > If I keep a patchcord inserted in the hardsync it
> > > indeed behaves normal.
> > > But as soon as I unplug it the "PW feature" is
> > > back...
> > > Hmm...
> > > Was I right about the sawtooth wave?
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > Ernst
> > >
> >
> >
> >Bakis Sirros
> >Parallel Worlds
> >Athens-Greece
> >[Doepfer_a100] group owner
> >http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> >http://www.rubber.gr
> >
> >
> >
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Re: A111 troubles

2005-11-01 by selfoscillate

hello ernst,

i'm not sure that this is what you want to know,
but i tune my vco's using a multi-effects unit with
a built-in tuner (sony hr-mp5).

best wishes

ingo


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, achtung_999 
<heinrich.himmelwasser@g...> wrote:
>
> Thanks that sort of answers the question.
> Although I still face the massive task of tuning the 
oscillators.. ;-(
> Do any of you here have some good tips on how to do that?
> Both my effort were a bit frustrating.
> The description op the Doepfer site is a wee bit minimal to my 
taste.
> What I'm looking for is where to start and what to watch.
> 
> Thanks..
> 
> Ernst
> 
> 
> On 10/30/05, Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@h...> wrote:
> > Is this the answer? Please look below to see Mr. Doepfer's 
response to me
> > some time ago. Regards,
> >
> > Zoran
> >
> >
> > >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > >Von: Zoran Bosnjak [mailto:zoranbosnjak@h...]
> > >Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. September 2004 21:59
> > >An: hardware@d...
> > >Cc: musicr@g...
> > >Betreff: A-111 Oscillator Problem
> > >
> > >
> > >Hello Mr. Doepfer,
> > >
> > >I have two A-111 oscillators. One of them has a problem with PW 
knob. And
> > >here it is: from 0 to 5, PW knob behaves as expected - it 
changes pulse
> > >width. But from 5.1 to 10, it changes a pitch of any waveform, 
not only
> > >square!
> > >
> > >The other oscillator is perfectly fine, and I am using it to
> > >compare it with
> > >faulty one.
> > >
> > >I am exploring this problem in very musical way - my faulty 
oscillator is
> > >capable of producing more wierd sounds than healthy one.
> > >
> > >So I really don't know what to do at this point. Please advise,
> > >
> > >Zoran Bosnjak
> >
> > Our A-111 specialist Matthias Marass is on holidays until end of 
next week.
> > As far as I remember the problems you described are caused by the 
very
> > sensitive hard sync input. Normally the hard sync input is 
connected to GND
> > with the switching contact of the hard sync input if no plug is 
inserted.
> > Maybe the switching contact does not work any longer and causes 
the
> > problems. To find this out please try to put a signal into the 
hard sync
> > input. If the problems disappear this is the reason and the 
socket has to be
> > replaced (maybe the A-111 is still eqipped with the old version 
of the
> > sockets used until about 2001).
> > If you are able to replace the socket yourself we could send you 
a socket
> > for free if you have purchased the A-111 from us directly. 
Otherwise please
> > contact the representative where you purchased the module for a 
free socket.
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> > From your message I cannot see your home country.
> >
> > Otherwise the module has to be repaired in the factory.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Dieter Doepfer
> > Doepfer Musikelektronik GmbH
> > Email address: hardware@d...
> > Web Site: www.doepfer.com
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > >Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A111 troubles
> > >Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >hello ernst,
> > >i think the solution to this is replace the hard sync
> > >socket? (or spare a patchcable and leave it
> > >connected...)
> > >i do not know, exactly. just wait for dieter's reply.
> > >i am sure he will explain why this happens.
> > >what about the sawtooth wave?
> > >bakis.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@g...>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Bakis,
> > > >
> > > > If I keep a patchcord inserted in the hardsync it
> > > > indeed behaves normal.
> > > > But as soon as I unplug it the "PW feature" is
> > > > back...
> > > > Hmm...
> > > > Was I right about the sawtooth wave?
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > Ernst
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Bakis Sirros
> > >Parallel Worlds
> > >Athens-Greece
> > >[Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > >http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> > >http://www.rubber.gr
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A111 troubles

2005-11-02 by achtung_999

Thanks Ingo..

Although I was more after a method.
Where to start.. what to look for.
Spread, fine tuning.. etc..
I've come a long way now.
Using my ears a lot.

Nevermind. I got the broken a111 tuned now.
I defiantely know that both a111's are the old type.
Also: suddenly bakis' magic "patchcord in the Hard Sync input- method"
does not work anymore...
Broken socket indeed...
I will have to order some parts from doepfer then...

Thanks & greetings,

Ernst
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On 11/1/05, selfoscillate <synaptic_music@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  hello ernst,
>
>  i'm not sure that this is what you want to know,
>  but i tune my vco's using a multi-effects unit with
>  a built-in tuner (sony hr-mp5).
>
>  best wishes
>
>  ingo
>
>
>  --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, achtung_999
>  <heinrich.himmelwasser@g...> wrote:
>  >
>  > Thanks that sort of answers the question.
>  > Although I still face the massive task of tuning the
>  oscillators.. ;-(
>  > Do any of you here have some good tips on how to do that?
>  > Both my effort were a bit frustrating.
>  > The description op the Doepfer site is a wee bit minimal to my
>  taste.
>  > What I'm looking for is where to start and what to watch.
>  >
>  > Thanks..
>  >
>  > Ernst
>  >
>  >
>  > On 10/30/05, Zoran Bosnjak <dj_allin@h...> wrote:
>  > > Is this the answer? Please look below to see Mr. Doepfer's
>  response to me
>  > > some time ago. Regards,
>  > >
>  > > Zoran
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>  > > >Von: Zoran Bosnjak [mailto:zoranbosnjak@h...]
>  > > >Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. September 2004 21:59
>  > > >An: hardware@d...
>  > > >Cc: musicr@g...
>
>  > > >Betreff: A-111 Oscillator Problem
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >Hello Mr. Doepfer,
>  > > >
>  > > >I have two A-111 oscillators. One of them has a problem with PW
>  knob. And
>  > > >here it is: from 0 to 5, PW knob behaves as expected - it
>  changes pulse
>  > > >width. But from 5.1 to 10, it changes a pitch of any waveform,
>  not only
>  > > >square!
>  > > >
>  > > >The other oscillator is perfectly fine, and I am using it to
>  > > >compare it with
>  > > >faulty one.
>  > > >
>  > > >I am exploring this problem in very musical way - my faulty
>  oscillator is
>  > > >capable of producing more wierd sounds than healthy one.
>  > > >
>  > > >So I really don't know what to do at this point. Please advise,
>  > > >
>  > > >Zoran Bosnjak
>  > >
>  > > Our A-111 specialist Matthias Marass is on holidays until end of
>  next week.
>  > > As far as I remember the problems you described are caused by the
>  very
>  > > sensitive hard sync input. Normally the hard sync input is
>  connected to GND
>  > > with the switching contact of the hard sync input if no plug is
>  inserted.
>  > > Maybe the switching contact does not work any longer and causes
>  the
>  > > problems. To find this out please try to put a signal into the
>  hard sync
>  > > input. If the problems disappear this is the reason and the
>  socket has to be
>  > > replaced (maybe the A-111 is still eqipped with the old version
>  of the
>  > > sockets used until about 2001).
>  > > If you are able to replace the socket yourself we could send you
>  a socket
>  > > for free if you have purchased the A-111 from us directly.
>  Otherwise please
>  > > contact the representative where you purchased the module for a
>  free socket.
>  > > From your message I cannot see your home country.
>  > >
>  > > Otherwise the module has to be repaired in the factory.
>  > >
>  > > Best regards
>  > > Dieter Doepfer
>  > > Doepfer Musikelektronik GmbH
>  > > Email address: hardware@d...
>  > > Web Site: www.doepfer.com
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > >From: Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...>
>  > > >Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>  > > >To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>  > > >Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A111 troubles
>  > > >Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
>  > > >
>  > > >hello ernst,
>  > > >i think the solution to this is replace the hard sync
>  > > >socket? (or spare a patchcable and leave it
>  > > >connected...)
>  > > >i do not know, exactly. just wait for dieter's reply.
>  > > >i am sure he will explain why this happens.
>  > > >what about the sawtooth wave?
>  > > >bakis.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >--- achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@g...>
>  > > >wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > > > Hey Bakis,
>  > > > >
>  > > > > If I keep a patchcord inserted in the hardsync it
>  > > > > indeed behaves normal.
>  > > > > But as soon as I unplug it the "PW feature" is
>  > > > > back...
>  > > > > Hmm...
>  > > > > Was I right about the sawtooth wave?
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Greetings,
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Ernst
>  > > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >Bakis Sirros
>  > > >Parallel Worlds
>  > > >Athens-Greece
>  > > >[Doepfer_a100] group owner
>  > > >http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
>  > > >http://www.rubber.gr
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A111 troubles

2005-11-19 by achtung_999

Hello,

I finally had some time to fix the faulty A111 this weekend.
Thanks for the tip Zoran, it was indeed the hard sync input.
I put a new part in and it works fine again!

And now on to tuning the other A111..
The work of a modular owner never stops ;-)

Greetings,
Ernst

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