Indeed someone does need to learn English law, but I'm afraid that person is not me:
It clearly says that begging is illegal, while not being serious enough to carry a prison sentence. And to answer your predicted response, I quote "especially in the street", not just in the street. Begging can take the form of asking on the internet. He has basically asked to be in receipt of money for no service in return, which is basically exactly what the very first sentence defines as begging.
I really don't see what relevance the state-funded health care overly has considering the state it's in. Many people
here die waiting for vital organs, which if they had private insurance they could obtain quicker, or indeed if they bribe the NHS they can get pushed to the front of the queue. Poor dying people don't beg for the kidney they need, and if they do it isn't well acknowledged. Furthermore, charities indeed ask for money, but at least what you're getting in return is the satisfaction of 100% knowing your money has gone to a good cause. That is just the reason I wouldn't donate to Africa, as most of the time the money gets ceased by the government and spent on bombs and artillery.
It's brilliant that you're so "well versed" in IT security and phishing scams, but either that's a blatant lie or whatever course it is you took is clearly worthless. I personally think it would be much better if you were so well versed in common sense. I don't know how ridiculously rich you are, or just how careless you are, but most people have a great
deal of concern before parting with their hard earned cash in the best of circumstances to the biggest of companies, mine alone over a private internet transaction. Sure, it isn't Western Union, but how do I know where the money is truly going to? The fact is, if I send money through PayPal and they send it to that person correctly, it's job done. If that money gets received by who they claimed they were, but gets dwindled on other things, what is PayPal going to do? Laugh, perhaps. They done their job properly, it's not their fault you didn't by not doing your research first. The sender is also only answering questions privately, something many scammers can and will do. A basic and well publicised fact, how many times have you seen these people on the news who lie to make money in such a manner? If he gave us all the private information upfront, we may have felt better to donating, but I think it's a bit rich to mock and accuse people for simply having
some concern where their money is going to.
I don't overly like the word 'troll' nor think it's appropriate. If you're so clever, can you tell me the approximate number of trolls that spend 6 years registered to a forum before making any fuss? And about how popular is that tactic?
Now if only we all remembered this is a musicians forum, maybe things would be far better then. I signed up to a synthesiser forum, nowhere was there a disclaimer 'you may be asked to give money to the moderator'. We have to abide by the rules and any posts where we asked for money would probably be deleted. That's the fact of it, so the moderators should have to do the same. And as long as a buskers' song lyrics isn't along the lines of "I need a dollar" (trying to make humour of this, but you get what I mean I'm sure...) then I see anyone who gives money just supporting a local talent. It's a symbol of appreciation, and
in return I get some good music. It also gives bystanders in the musical industry a representation of how popular one busker is to another. I have given money to many a busker before.
I hope this clears up any confusion you've had. I know it is a controversial matter, but then if we all stuck to the topic on hand nothing would have to be controversial.
From: Chris Rolland
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2013, 11:02
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: Leaving Group
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2013, 11:02
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: Leaving Group
Oh dear. Someone needs to learn English law, as you've just effectively stated that every charity operating in the UK is illegal! We are lucky to live in a country that has state funded healthcare, but I am not going to poke that troll any more - instead I'll poke another one instead.
Some questions have been as to the legitimacy of the post. I am very well versed in IT security and phishing scams. This email had personal information in it that related to this group, was asking for funds via a public escrow system, and the sender is answering questions. Three things that scams do not do. They tend to be highly generic in their writing with only the senders name as any kind of personalisation. They tend to use direct fund transfers or physical mail, which are not traceable like Paypal is. And finally the sender doesn't tend to respond, especially in the case of email hijacking.
Get it right before pointing a finger otherwise you too are just acting like a troll.
In the meantime let's remember that this is a musicians forum. I wonder what Jonathan thinks about busking for tips?
Chris.
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