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having trouble with the giebler program

having trouble with the giebler program

2004-03-05 by homebythe_sea

Hi all,

I have both a VFX-SD and a SD-1.  I have had them a long time and 
just got back into playing again.

I have been out of the loop for a while, and found some sites that 
have the updated Operating systems, and the Giebler transfer utility.

Problem is, I have yet to make any of it work.

I can download the files, and the transfer program but it doesnt 
work for me. I first did it on my pc which is running windows XP, 
but quickly found out that the transfer program will not work with 
XP.

I then tried moving it via diskette to my older laptop, but it still 
doesnt work.

Can someone help me figure this out?

Thanks
Rich

homebythe_sea@...

RE: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] having trouble with the giebler program

2004-03-05 by David A. Pope

What OS is running on the laptop? It MUST be an OS that has "DOS" Win98 ver. 2 or OLDER, Win98, Win95, etc. Will not work with WinME, Win2000 or WinNT or, as you have found out WinXP...
David
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-----Original Message-----
From: homebythe_sea [mailto:aotoe@...]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:02 AM
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] having trouble with the giebler program

Hi all,

I have both a VFX-SD and a SD-1. I have had them a long time and
just got back into playing again.

I have been out of the loop for a while, and found some sites that
have the updated Operating systems, and the Giebler transfer utility.

Problem is, I have yet to make any of it work.

I can download the files, and the transfer program but it doesnt
work for me. I first did it on my pc which is running windows XP,
but quickly found out that the transfer program will not work with
XP.

I then tried moving it via diskette to my older laptop, but it still
doesnt work.

Can someone help me figure this out?

Thanks
Rich

homebythe_sea@...



Re: having trouble with the giebler program

2004-03-09 by homebythe_sea

The laptop is running windows 95.  It is very picky about what disks 
it will format. I have about 15 dsdd disks and it only formatted one 
or two.  Can I use DS HD disks? I think if i tape the notch (the one 
opposite the write protect tab) they will be read as dsdd disks.

On the one or two disks i "formatted", i tried to copy files and it 
didnt work. Please give me step by step instructions for the 
transfer as i have followed whats on the documentation file but it 
doesnt seem to work. 

Thanks for your help !!!

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Pope" 
<ensoniqdap65@s...> wrote:
>  What OS is running on the laptop?  It MUST be an OS that 
has "DOS" Win98
> ver. 2 or OLDER, Win98, Win95, etc.  Will not work with WinME, 
Win2000 or
> WinNT or, as you have found out WinXP...
> 
>    David
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: homebythe_sea [mailto:aotoe@h...]
>   Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:02 AM
>   To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] having trouble with the giebler program
> 
> 
>   Hi all,
> 
>   I have both a VFX-SD and a SD-1.  I have had them a long time and
>   just got back into playing again.
> 
>   I have been out of the loop for a while, and found some sites 
that
>   have the updated Operating systems, and the Giebler transfer 
utility.
> 
>   Problem is, I have yet to make any of it work.
> 
>   I can download the files, and the transfer program but it doesnt
>   work for me. I first did it on my pc which is running windows XP,
>   but quickly found out that the transfer program will not work 
with
>   XP.
> 
>   I then tried moving it via diskette to my older laptop, but it 
still
>   doesnt work.
> 
>   Can someone help me figure this out?
> 
>   Thanks
>   Rich
> 
>   homebythe_sea@y...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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AW: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: having trouble with the giebler program

2004-03-09 by hans-artmann@t-online.de

Rich,
formatting should almost always work using the VFX itself...
I've attached two earlier postings from this list which might be
interesting for you. 
Once you have managed to get your DOS environment clean (boot Win95 with
CTRL pressed...)you could also try my vfrf tool to format your disks.
Have a look at the groups file section to download VFXtools.zip
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ensoniq-VFX-SD/files/Tools/

Hans

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: homebythe_sea [mailto:homebythe_sea@...] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. März 2004 22:22
An: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: having trouble with the giebler program


The laptop is running windows 95.  It is very picky about what disks 
it will format. I have about 15 dsdd disks and it only formatted one 
or two.  Can I use DS HD disks? I think if i tape the notch (the one 
opposite the write protect tab) they will be read as dsdd disks.

On the one or two disks i "formatted", i tried to copy files and it 
didnt work. Please give me step by step instructions for the 
transfer as i have followed whats on the documentation file but it 
doesnt seem to work. 

Thanks for your help !!!

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Pope" 
<ensoniqdap65@s...> wrote:
>  What OS is running on the laptop?  It MUST be an OS that
has "DOS" Win98
> ver. 2 or OLDER, Win98, Win95, etc.  Will not work with WinME,
Win2000 or
> WinNT or, as you have found out WinXP...
> 
>    David
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: homebythe_sea [mailto:aotoe@h...]
>   Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:02 AM
>   To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] having trouble with the giebler program
> 
> 
>   Hi all,
> 
>   I have both a VFX-SD and a SD-1.  I have had them a long time and
>   just got back into playing again.
> 
>   I have been out of the loop for a while, and found some sites
that
>   have the updated Operating systems, and the Giebler transfer
utility.
> 
>   Problem is, I have yet to make any of it work.
> 
>   I can download the files, and the transfer program but it doesnt
>   work for me. I first did it on my pc which is running windows XP,
>   but quickly found out that the transfer program will not work
with
>   XP.
> 
>   I then tried moving it via diskette to my older laptop, but it
still
>   doesnt work.
> 
>   Can someone help me figure this out?
> 
>   Thanks
>   Rich
> 
>   homebythe_sea@y...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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> 
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Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: having trouble with the giebler program

2004-03-10 by Frank Crawford

Taping the hole is a setup for disaster........From experience
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> From: homebythe_sea <homebythe_sea@...>
> Reply-To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:22:24 +0000
> To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: having trouble with the giebler program
> 
> The laptop is running windows 95.  It is very picky about what disks
> it will format. I have about 15 dsdd disks and it only formatted one
> or two.  Can I use DS HD disks? I think if i tape the notch (the one
> opposite the write protect tab) they will be read as dsdd disks.
> 
> On the one or two disks i "formatted", i tried to copy files and it
> didnt work. Please give me step by step instructions for the
> transfer as i have followed whats on the documentation file but it
> doesnt seem to work.
> 
> Thanks for your help !!!
> 
> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Pope"
> <ensoniqdap65@s...> wrote:
>> What OS is running on the laptop?  It MUST be an OS that
> has "DOS" Win98
>> ver. 2 or OLDER, Win98, Win95, etc.  Will not work with WinME,
> Win2000 or
>> WinNT or, as you have found out WinXP...
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: homebythe_sea [mailto:aotoe@h...]
>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:02 AM
>> To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] having trouble with the giebler program
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have both a VFX-SD and a SD-1.  I have had them a long time and
>> just got back into playing again.
>> 
>> I have been out of the loop for a while, and found some sites
> that
>> have the updated Operating systems, and the Giebler transfer
> utility.
>> 
>> Problem is, I have yet to make any of it work.
>> 
>> I can download the files, and the transfer program but it doesnt
>> work for me. I first did it on my pc which is running windows XP,
>> but quickly found out that the transfer program will not work
> with
>> XP.
>> 
>> I then tried moving it via diskette to my older laptop, but it
> still
>> doesnt work.
>> 
>> Can someone help me figure this out?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Rich
>> 
>> homebythe_sea@y...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
>> --
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> 
>> a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ensoniq-VFX-SD/
>> 
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>> Ensoniq-VFX-SD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> 
>> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
> of Service.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: having trouble with the giebler program

2004-03-24 by homebythe_sea

Hi Hans,

I will try formatting a disk on the vfx (i also have an SD-1) and 
then ill try to download some of the various VFX/SD sounds etc that 
are on here and on the web.  

I will do this on the laptop i have running win 95.


what do I do next to get the sounds and sequences that i download 
from the web onto the vfx disk?

I dont have a midi sound card that could transfer the data via midi, 
or else I would have done that by now lol.

Im trying to make the diskette method work for the meantime.

Thanks to you Hans, Frank and all the rest that are helping me !!!!

PS I am also looking for top 40 (current or classic) sequences to 
use on the SD-1 as I am going to get back into doing a 2 piece act 
soon.  Any help would be appreciated. 

One last thing, if I cant get this transfer thing worked out, can 
any of you make vfx/sd diskettes for me and send them? 

thanks again !!!
Rich




--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, hans-artmann@t... wrote:
> Rich,
> formatting should almost always work using the VFX itself...
> I've attached two earlier postings from this list which might be
> interesting for you. 
> Once you have managed to get your DOS environment clean (boot 
Win95 with
> CTRL pressed...)you could also try my vfrf tool to format your 
disks.
> Have a look at the groups file section to download VFXtools.zip
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Ensoniq-VFX-SD/files/Tools/
> 
> Hans
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: homebythe_sea [mailto:homebythe_sea@y...] 
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. März 2004 22:22
> An: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: having trouble with the giebler 
program
> 
> 
> The laptop is running windows 95.  It is very picky about what 
disks 
> it will format. I have about 15 dsdd disks and it only formatted 
one 
> or two.  Can I use DS HD disks? I think if i tape the notch (the 
one 
> opposite the write protect tab) they will be read as dsdd disks.
> 
> On the one or two disks i "formatted", i tried to copy files and 
it 
> didnt work. Please give me step by step instructions for the 
> transfer as i have followed whats on the documentation file but it 
> doesnt seem to work. 
> 
> Thanks for your help !!!
> 
> --- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Pope" 
> <ensoniqdap65@s...> wrote:
> >  What OS is running on the laptop?  It MUST be an OS that
> has "DOS" Win98
> > ver. 2 or OLDER, Win98, Win95, etc.  Will not work with WinME,
> Win2000 or
> > WinNT or, as you have found out WinXP...
> > 
> >    David
> > 
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: homebythe_sea [mailto:aotoe@h...]
> >   Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:02 AM
> >   To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] having trouble with the giebler 
program
> > 
> > 
> >   Hi all,
> > 
> >   I have both a VFX-SD and a SD-1.  I have had them a long time 
and
> >   just got back into playing again.
> > 
> >   I have been out of the loop for a while, and found some sites
> that
> >   have the updated Operating systems, and the Giebler transfer
> utility.
> > 
> >   Problem is, I have yet to make any of it work.
> > 
> >   I can download the files, and the transfer program but it 
doesnt
> >   work for me. I first did it on my pc which is running windows 
XP,
> >   but quickly found out that the transfer program will not work
> with
> >   XP.
> > 
> >   I then tried moving it via diskette to my older laptop, but it
> still
> >   doesnt work.
> > 
> >   Can someone help me figure this out?
> > 
> >   Thanks
> >   Rich
> > 
> >   homebythe_sea@y...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
--
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> > 
> >     a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
> >     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ensoniq-VFX-SD/
> > 
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> >     Ensoniq-VFX-SD-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > 
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> of Service.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
>    Guys I wanted to pass this on to all of you considering using 
HD discs with the tape over the hole trick. 
> 
> This still will not allow you to use the extra space on the 1.44 
disc, it
> only allows you to use the HD disc and with mixed results at best.
> 
> Here's is one of about 15 reasons NOT to do this.
> 
> Let's say you decide to do this HD trick and use the HD discs for 
ALL your
> important work. Then later down the road your original drive fails 
and you
> install a new drive then you find out you can't seem to get the HD 
discs to
> read back!! All your hard work is lost and many times this will be 
the same
> case when trying to use the same disc in another VFXSD/SD1 series.
> 
> The reason (and others) being that the data was not correctly 
aligned on
> the HD disc making it imposable to retrieve from the new drive. 
This happens
> alot and is one of the best reasons to use the correct discs.
> 
> Rich
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > If you put a piece of tape over the HD sense hole, the computer, 
and hence
> > the Giebler programs won't know it's an HD disk, and it 
> > will work just fine.
> > 
> > Geren W. Mortensen, Jr.
> > Columbia, Maryland, USA
> 
>  
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> Michael,
> There are other sites to download the ede109.exe shareware 
program, e.g.
> http://www.soundcentral.com/ (look under Ensoniq-> Util).
> You should be aware that programs like this accessing 720k floppies
> (formatted with 800k by using 10 sectors per track) cannot be used 
under NT,
> w2k, or XP (i.e. anything NT based). Even under Win98 (and I guess 
it would
> be the same for Win95 and Me) you have to follow the following 
procedure:
> press CTRL while booting Windows to get into the extended start 
menu and
> choose 'Command Prompt' (or similar, I can't tell the 
wording 'cause I got a
> German system - but it should be option 5). Then you get a 'clean' 
DOS
> environment which allows the program to write the disk properly. 
Opening a
> command prompt window or even 'restart in DOS mode' would fail: 
the program
> pretends to work, however it would write only 9 sectors per 
track... which
> leaves you with a messy disk.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Hans
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael in Bermuda [mailto:michael_3460@y...]
> Sent: Montag, 22. September 2003 15:06
> To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Operating System for SD1
> 
> 
> I tried to download from Giebler site but kept getting error 
messages.
> If you have it, please send it to the following eail address:
> 
> mdfox@i...
> 
> Thanks
> 
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> 
> Hi VFX friends,
> 
> I've converted the VFX program library 'The Lot' into VFX usable 
sysex files.
> There is also a list of the contents.
> 
> As a further Christmas present to the group I decided to release 
some tools
> I believe to be helpful:
> It's a suite of command line programs to deal with VFX disks
> and sysex files containing VFX programs.
> 
> You'll receive a separate email with the upload notification amd 
the link.
> 
> I wrote these programs out of several reasons:
> 
> Firstly I had to get some order into the lots of sysex files and
> using Soundlib, which is a great program, is one thing but still 
not
> knowing what's in the different files is another thing - not to 
talk
> about the problem how I could easily find identical programs 
coming 
> with different names or identify the minor changes which make the 
> difference in simlar programs. This is where the following
> programs are helpful:
> 
> vlst	 Print programs with checksums from VFX sysex file.
> vcmp	 Compare two programs from VFX sysex file(s).
> 
> Secondly, when I acquired a VFX-SD, I herited a million diskettes
> and you know it's hard to explore what's on them, let alone the 
fact
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> that you quickly realize how unreliable old disks are. I wanted 
> to store the disks contents on my PC and find a way to handle
> faulty (or maybe faulty?) disks. Here is how I dealt with this:
> 
> vrdf	 Read VFX and EPS disks and create an image file.
> vwri	 Write VFX or EPS disks from an image file.
> vfrf	 Format VFX disks.
> 
> vdir	 Print directory from VFX disk image file.
> vexa	 Extract all files from VFX image file.
> vext	 Extract single files from VFX image file.
> vblk	 Get last used block number from VFX image file.
> 
> And finally it seems to be hard to get hold of a copy of Gary
> Gieblers software, although his website is still online, and when
> I tried to find out if his programs would work under XP or Win98
> (with this strange VFX diskette format!) I suddenly found myself 
> deeply in programming and just couldn't stop...
> However, I couldn't have done it without Gary's article on the
> VFX diskette formats and I never intended to reimplement his
> software. When you read the descriptions and try out the programs
> you will find some useful features which I think are not included
> in the Giebler SW (without having seen it).
> 
> Have a look into the readme file for instructions. Let me know 
> when you have questions or find bugs but don't expect me to
> answer within hours...
> 
> Merry Christmas and a happy new year
> 
> Hans

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.