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reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD disks

reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD disks

2003-08-05 by supergidi

Hello,
I have many disks with my sounds and own songs. I have collected them 
the last 12 years, since I bought my vfx-sd. Unfortunately I have 
saved them more than once on several diks for backup, sometimes as 60-
songs, sometimes a single songs and so on. Meanwhile the disks are 
getting wors because of their age, so I tried to duplicate and 
reorganize them.
But making a copy of a whole disk isn´t real fun on a vfx-sd, and the 
reorganization by loading and changing disks takes a long time.
I thought about using EDM, but I dont want to pay 35 US$ for a 
product when I am not shure it works. I tried out EDE 1.09, but I 
can´t create readable disks for my vfx-sd. EDE copies the image (I 
tried 2 disk images, the OS2.10 and the blank), sometimes the program 
aboards with error message, sometimes it seemes to work properly, but 
my vfx-sd says "unformatted disk". I even tested ede1.09 on different 
computers (all WinXPprof) and at last I installed Win98 on an older 
laptop without any sucess (using dos-mode and dos-box).
Does anyone have an idea how I can do this job easily?
Best regards,
Gisi

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD disks

2003-08-07 by gsnedden

Hi,

I have heard that a Sony Mavica MVCFD90 1.2MP Digital Camera, can copy a
3.5" disk regardless of format.  I do not know, but if you know someone with
one- check it out.

Gil
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----- Original Message -----
From: "supergidi" <supergisi@...>
To: <Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:51 AM
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD disks


Hello,
I have many disks with my sounds and own songs. I have collected them
the last 12 years, since I bought my vfx-sd. Unfortunately I have
saved them more than once on several diks for backup, sometimes as 60-
songs, sometimes a single songs and so on. Meanwhile the disks are
getting wors because of their age, so I tried to duplicate and
reorganize them.
But making a copy of a whole disk isn\ufffdt real fun on a vfx-sd, and the
reorganization by loading and changing disks takes a long time.
I thought about using EDM, but I dont want to pay 35 US$ for a
product when I am not shure it works. I tried out EDE 1.09, but I
can\ufffdt create readable disks for my vfx-sd. EDE copies the image (I
tried 2 disk images, the OS2.10 and the blank), sometimes the program
aboards with error message, sometimes it seemes to work properly, but
my vfx-sd says "unformatted disk". I even tested ede1.09 on different
computers (all WinXPprof) and at last I installed Win98 on an older
laptop without any sucess (using dos-mode and dos-box).
Does anyone have an idea how I can do this job easily?
Best regards,
Gisi



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RE: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD disks

2003-08-07 by hans-artmann@t-online.de

I don't think this works. I tried several disk image programs both on Win98
and under clean DOS 6.0 and nothing really works properly.
There is also one called FloppyImage which is said to work under XP (while
XP generally has a problem with DD disks), howevwer, it seems to work with
EPS disks but when I try to read a VFX disk and rewrite the image the VFX
can't read it.

My further experiences are:
- epsdisk by Michael Chen does not work with VFX disks. Althogh the disk
format is equal (# tracks and sectors) the directory structure is different.
So you can card out the programs dealing with EPS disks.
- Gary Giebler's ede109 does not work when called from a command window
under XP what's not surprising. From a command window under Win98 it works
sometimes. Under clean DOS it's not much better. Maybe it depends on how old
the disks are. I suspect reading floppies with errors can become very time
consuming and boring like it does with epsread. Therefore the Giebler tools
are no alternative.

Unfortunately I couldn't find new DD floppies to try if ede109 would then
work without problems. Maybe not: I formatted a floppy in the VFX which
worked fine and ede109 said 'sector not found' and alike...

The next option I'll try is to write all data out MIDI for backup. This
would include programs, presets, sequences, MultiAB,... The only tradeoff is
the system config which is pretty tiny on a disk and would only be included
in an 'ALL' sysex. Then I would use floppies for interim storage where I
don't have MIDI access...

Any further experiences and ideas are welcome!

Regards,
Hans
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-----Original Message-----
From: gsnedden [mailto:gsnedden@...]
Sent: Donnerstag, 7. August 2003 21:10
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD
disks


Hi,

I have heard that a Sony Mavica MVCFD90 1.2MP Digital Camera, can copy a
3.5" disk regardless of format.  I do not know, but if you know someone with
one- check it out.

Gil
----- Original Message -----
From: "supergidi" <supergisi@...>
To: <Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:51 AM
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD disks


Hello,
I have many disks with my sounds and own songs. I have collected them
the last 12 years, since I bought my vfx-sd. Unfortunately I have
saved them more than once on several diks for backup, sometimes as 60-
songs, sometimes a single songs and so on. Meanwhile the disks are
getting wors because of their age, so I tried to duplicate and
reorganize them.
But making a copy of a whole disk isn\ufffdt real fun on a vfx-sd, and the
reorganization by loading and changing disks takes a long time.
I thought about using EDM, but I dont want to pay 35 US$ for a
product when I am not shure it works. I tried out EDE 1.09, but I
can\ufffdt create readable disks for my vfx-sd. EDE copies the image (I
tried 2 disk images, the OS2.10 and the blank), sometimes the program
aboards with error message, sometimes it seemes to work properly, but
my vfx-sd says "unformatted disk". I even tested ede1.09 on different
computers (all WinXPprof) and at last I installed Win98 on an older
laptop without any sucess (using dos-mode and dos-box).
Does anyone have an idea how I can do this job easily?
Best regards,
Gisi



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Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD disks

2003-08-07 by mishon66@aol.com

In a message dated 8/7/2003 5:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hans-artmann@... writes:

> 
> 
> I don't think this works. I tried several disk image programs both on Win98
> and under clean DOS 6.0 and nothing really works properly.
> There is also one called FloppyImage which is said to work under XP (while
> XP generally has a problem with DD disks), howevwer, it seems to work with
> EPS disks but when I try to read a VFX disk and rewrite the image the VFX
> can't read it.
> 
> My further experiences are:
> - epsdisk by Michael Chen does not work with VFX disks. Althogh the disk
> format is equal (# tracks and sectors) the directory structure is different.
> So you can card out the programs dealing with EPS disks.
> - Gary Giebler's ede109 does not work when called from a command window
> under XP what's not surprising. From a command window under Win98 it works
> sometimes. Under clean DOS it's not much better. Maybe it depends on how old
> the disks are. I suspect reading floppies with errors can become very time
> consuming and boring like it does with epsread. Therefore the Giebler tools
> are no alternative.
> 
> Unfortunately I couldn't find new DD floppies to try if ede109 would then
> work without problems. Maybe not: I formatted a floppy in the VFX which
> worked fine and ede109 said 'sector not found' and alike...
> 
> The next option I'll try is to write all data out MIDI for backup. This
> would include programs, presets, sequences, MultiAB,... The only tradeoff is
> the system config which is pretty tiny on a disk and would only be included
> in an 'ALL' sysex. Then I would use floppies for interim storage where I
> don't have MIDI access...
> 
> Any further experiences and ideas are welcome!
> 
> Regards,
> Hans
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gsnedden [mailto:gsnedden@...]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 7. August 2003 21:10
> To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD
> disks
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have heard that a Sony Mavica MVCFD90 1.2MP Digital Camera, can copy a
> 3.5" disk regardless of format.  I do not know, but if you know someone with
> one- check it out.
> 
> Gil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "supergidi" <supergisi@...>
> To: <Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:51 AM
> Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD disks
> 
> 
> Hello,
> I have many disks with my sounds and own songs. I have collected them
> the last 12 years, since I bought my vfx-sd. Unfortunately I have
> saved them more than once on several diks for backup, sometimes as 60-
> songs, sometimes a single songs and so on. Meanwhile the disks are
> getting wors because of their age, so I tried to duplicate and
> reorganize them.
> But making a copy of a whole disk isn\ufffdt real fun on a vfx-sd, and the
> reorganization by loading and changing disks takes a long time.
> I thought about using EDM, but I dont want to pay 35 US$ for a
> product when I am not shure it works. I tried out EDE 1.09, but I
> can\ufffdt create readable disks for my vfx-sd. EDE copies the image (I
> tried 2 disk images, the OS2.10 and the blank), sometimes the program
> aboards with error message, sometimes it seemes to work properly, but
> my vfx-sd says "unformatted disk". I even tested ede1.09 on different
> computers (all WinXPprof) and at last I installed Win98 on an older
> laptop without any sucess (using dos-mode and dos-box).
> Does anyone have an idea how I can do this job easily?
> Best regards,
> Gisi
> 
> 
> 

 Hans
      When using the Gary Geibler software and encountering an disc error I always went back to the VFX and formated a NEW DSDD and did a disc copy. This always seems to work for me.
 Richard

RE: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD disks

2003-08-08 by hans-artmann@t-online.de

Yeah, exactly! Unfortuantely this is the most frustrating procedure...

Hans
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-----Original Message-----
From: mishon66@... [mailto:mishon66@...]
Sent: Freitag, 8. August 2003 00:42
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] reorganizing sounds and songs on VFX-SD
disks


In a message dated 8/7/2003 5:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hans-artmann@... writes:

>
>
> songs, sometimes a single songs and so on. Meanwhile the disks are
> getting wors because of their age, so I tried to duplicate and
> reorganize them.
> But making a copy of a whole disk isn\ufffdt real fun on a vfx-sd, and the
> reorganization by loading and changing disks takes a long time.
> I thought about using EDM,....

 Hans
      When using the Gary Geibler software and encountering an disc error I
always went back to the VFX and formated a NEW DSDD and did a disc copy.
This always seems to work for me.
 Richard

Experience on successfully diskimaging a VFX floppy

2003-08-08 by Roi de la plage

Hans,

Sorry, long and technical post !

I thought I could share some information on how I
successfully made an EDE diskimage (posted under the
Yahoo's VFX group file section). I did that in
February 2002, so forgive me if my memory fails !

First I read the "Ensoniq-DiskFormats" text file
(posted under Yahoo's VFX group File Section) to
understand how the floppy was organized. Got the
information I wanted: 80 tracks, 10 sectors (512
bytes) per tracks, 2 sides. Meaning that the standard
DOS disk access will not work ! And therefore
anticipating some problems with new OS (NT4, Win2000,
XP) that won't let a program access directly BIOS
functions to the floppy.

Sneaked the Internet for programs that would allow to
define # tracks and # sectors/tracks.
Ended up with the following list :
* Diskimage (we Korg 01w/fd lovers use for backuping
01w floppies)
* FDfrm18 (you know that FDRead that could in the old
days store more than 1.44 Mo)
* Floppy Image
* MDisk42
* TeleDisk (used by Akai to diskimage .TD0 files)
* WinImage v6.0

I also studied the EDE structure and found that I
could keep the headers and footers (hexadecimals) and
copy in between what I could grab from one of the
results of the above programs.
Found also that the EDE file does not have to be
806913 bytes long as long as the file ends up with the
footer (1A hex) and the hex info correspond to one
side (I can post the 2 files that generate the same
VFX floppy: one is 806913 bytes and 623027 bytes to
understand what I'm trying to explain !).

I succeeded using Win98. Don't remember if I booted in
DOS mode, but I believe so !

From what I remember, I generated the "plain image"
using either MDisk42 or FloppyImage. You have to
parameter the # of tracks and # of sectors/track
before making the image file.
WinImage v6 seems to be the easiest program that could
generate an image directly under Windows environment.
But the tracks/sectors parameters were not available.
I emailed the programer to include that in his next
versions. He replied that if there were requests, he
would implement it ! Maybe there is a new version
since one year ?

So got my plain image file (819208 bytes under
MDdisk42 and 738304 bytes under FloppyImage, don't
remember which one I used !). Then to create the
EDE-compatible file, I used an hexadecimal editor to
find "signatures" in both files and copy / pasted "my
floppy info" from the plain file into the EDE
template. You'll see EDE header stops somewhere near
0000:041F, this is where you copy your data.

The most frustrating part was that since my VFX died
(tried unsuccessfully to hard-calibrate myself !!), I
couldn't create the VFX floppy (needs formatting
directly on the VFX), I couldn't test my experience.

So I posted my EDE-compatible file, waiting for
feedback... Still waiting for feedback... At least,
someone who can say, YES, I created a floppy using
your EDE-file (and I love that Genesis intro using the
Florida-Keys !!!!)...

Hope it's not too chinese to everyone. If you guys
want more specific details, don't hesitate, I'll try
to do my best !

Long live the VFX !

Fred

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Si l'oeuf tombe sur la pierre, malheur a l'oeuf.
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Re: Experience on successfully diskimaging a VFX floppy

2003-08-09 by genesis_midi

Hi hans,

Nice to read how it works. Want to know all about MY vfx LOL. Have 
the thing a week now and I love the machine. But got also lots of 
calibration errors. Found the solution to get the initializing work> 
just press ignore, play a midi file on the thing and then do a 
factory reset. (tried first to reset but that didn't helped :( )
funny and strange things those vfx synths. just like windows I 
guess ;)

Santi

RE: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: Experience on successfully diskimaging a VFX floppy

2003-08-09 by Geren W. Mortensen, Jr.

Mine gave me what I thought to be an unprovoked system error 129 last night.
It's exactly the second I've had since I owned this particular VFX.  The
only thing I can think of that may have caused it was an unfamiliar person
poking at its buttons.  As long as I poke at it, it's okay.

Geren W. Mortensen, Jr.
Catonsville, Maryland, USA

On the web at:
     http://gerenm.net <http://gerenm.net>

\ufffd Outbound mail scanned automatically by Norton AntiVirus 2002 \ufffd
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-----Original Message-----
From: genesis_midi [mailto:genesis_midi@...]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: Experience on successfully diskimaging a
VFX floppy


Hi hans,

Nice to read how it works. Want to know all about MY vfx LOL. Have
the thing a week now and I love the machine. But got also lots of
calibration errors. Found the solution to get the initializing work>
just press ignore, play a midi file on the thing and then do a
factory reset. (tried first to reset but that didn't helped :( )
funny and strange things those vfx synths. just like windows I
guess ;)

Santi



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RE: [Ensoniq-VFX] Calibration Error Fix

2003-08-09 by Mick Roeg

Hi Santi and Fellow VFX Freaks
I found this bit of information and used it to repair
MY first VFX:

VFX Keyboard Recalibration Errors
Note: Follow the instructions below at your own risk!
It seems that everyone agrees that the VFX keyboard
problems were finally solved by the hardwired keyboard
fix. I think everyone who might be buying a used vfx
(and thus looking to the net for info) should know
about this and be certain that the keyboard they buy
has had this done. From the tail end of the Keyboard
Recailibration Failed saga on the vfx list: 
This afternoon I decided to get the low down on the
VFX problems myself from Ensoniq's own Joe Paschal, an
Ensoniq Customer Service Rep with whom I have delt
with before (To my satisfaction). Beleve it or not the
Apex problem and the Keyboard Calibration problem ARE
RELATED and CAN BE FIXED. (finally:-) 
Under the keyboard proper, there are 3 circut boards
that control the poly- key (tm) pressure. They do
this: 
  
  | # # | # # # | # # | # # # | # # | # # # | # # | #
# # | # # | # # # |
  | # # | # # # | # # | # # # | # # | # # # | # # | #
# # | # # | # # # |
  | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | | |
 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
  
  +---------------------------------+
+----------------------------------+
  |                                 | |               
                  |
  |   Board #2               +------------------+  
Board #3             |
  |                          | Board # 1        |     
                  |
  |                          +------------------+     
                  |
  +---------------------------------+
+----------------------------------+
Now, It turns out that Ensoniq misdiagnosed the
problem TWICE! and this new (one month old) conclusion
is the result of the senior Ensoniq Tech's reseach and
testing. The first problem (they thought) was the
solder flux thing which would be on board #1. No. They
then thought it was the cable that goes from board #1
to the motherboard. Wrong again. 
There is a connector that connects board 2 to board 3.
Over time and use, the keyboard begins to sag a little
bit and this connector eventually starts to corrode
(get dirty), come loose and the like. THERE"S THE
PROBLEM! Ensoniq has determined that hard-wireing that
connection solves the problem. 
Of course this also explains the Apex deal, supporting
the keyboard in the middle causes the connection to
bend the other way, pry loose, etc. 
Ensoniq will fix the problem free of charge and has
instructed the service centers to do the same. (BTW my
service center has decided to send bad VFX's to
Ensoniq for repair.) I immedately posed the question
to Joe: "Will this effect my old ESQ-1, SQ-80, Mirage
(old Ensoniq's)." No. On the older synths, boards 2&3
are just one long board- thus no connection=no
problem. I think the orginal EPS falls into this
catagory as well, but I'm not sure. 
Service Centers have been instructed to perform this
mod to ANY Ensoniq that comes in for repair,
regardless of the problem. If you want the repair done
request that the service centers refer to bulletins
#11 and #9B. 
Here's the killer: the first SD-1's that came out have
the SAME CONNECTOR! (that gives you some idea how long
it's taken Ensoniq to fix this thing! :=) Now, of
course, they just wire the two boards together, but
still. 
And a quote from Joe McMahon regarding the keyboard
problem: 
   To quote the guys from "Car Talk":

   "This [machine] will take you to Nirvana."
   "Yeah, but you'll have to get towed back..."


After totally disassembling my VFX, pulling the
keyboard bed out and removing ALL the keys, (placing
the springs in a can and setting the key aside in
their proper order) I desoldered the connectors from
either board, cut 12 wires of equal length, and bent
both ends 90 degrees. I placed all 12 into their
respective holes and, holding both boards and a finger
on the wires, turned the assembly over. Supporting the
wires in place
with a piece of foam rubber, I soldered all 24
connections, cleaned the joints with denatured
alchohol, and reassembled the circuit boards, keys,
and
unit. Holding my breath, (optional) I fired it up and
plugged it into an amp. It worked beautifully. It has
been about a year now and I haven't had a single
calibration error. And I use the VFX a minimum of 3
times a week. I have been so impressed with the sounds
I get from it that I bought another last month. I
haven't disassembled it yet because I haven't had a
problem with it, but if I do, I wouldn't hesitate to
repeat the procedure on the new one. Hope this helps.
                                    Roegster

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Re: [Ensoniq-VFX] Calibration Error Fix

2003-08-10 by genesis_midi

Hi 

I have that piece on my site but one problem. I think I damage the 
vfx with it. I guess there is no ensoniq support for the vfx? not a 
centre where I can let them fix the error (for free?)

since I also can't find a proper screwdriver to open it up :S have to 
search for a proper one :(

but ok that's not the main problem. 

Gonna have a look at it this afternoon I hope.

Thnx for the reply.

RE: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: [Ensoniq-VFX] Calibration Error Fix

2003-08-10 by hans-artmann@t-online.de

Hi,

since there are so many replies mentioning the 'calibration error' including
a description how to fix it I think it's time to encourage all who love
there VFX and suffer from the old problems.
Believe me, it's simple to do as long as you can handle a screwdriver, a
pince, and a soldering iron.
I'll post a couple of pictures in the file section to show how it's done (a
picture tells more than 1000 words...).

Here are some remarks:

1. To open your VFX remove the 4 screws holding the cover and pull it open
(figure 1). Use an inbus key 2.5mm which you get in every hardware store for
low money. Otherwise you'll damage the screws.

I got no pictures for step 2-4. This is really a piece of cake.

2. Remove the 10 srews at the bottom holding the keyboard. The first (front)
row of srews need not to be removed. they don't hold the keyboard.

3. To remove the keyboard lift it at the front and pull it out (toward
yourself).

4. Unplug the cable connection at the keyboard side (it happened to me once
that the cable connector was damaged. The VFX then would say 'cannot
calibrate...').

5. Now you have the keyboard in hands. Place it on the table and remove the
middle octave of keys, the one limited by the two small tin sheets (well,
it's a good idea to remove ALL keys in order to get rid of the dust from
centuries\ufffd; if you do it it's easier to do it octave by octave replacing the
first twelve ones before removing the next). The steps are:
- start with the leftmost key (C) of the octave
- remove the springs as shown in figure 2
- unhook the keys with a screwdriver, move the grip away from you while
lifting the key with the other hand (figure 3)
- always remove a black and a white key together (figure 4)
You will realize that it's a good idea to clean everything out.
To reassemble the keyboard follow the reverse order inserting the keys from
left to right.

6. When you turn the keyboard upside down you will see the buggy connector
in the middle octave (figure 5).

7. Solder in 12 wire connections as shown in figure 6. There is no need to
remove the connectors so you need not to disassemble the whole keyboard!

8. Clean everything and reassemble your VFX. Don't forget to plug in the
keyboard connector: red wire at pin 1.

Have fun with the greatest of electronic synthesizers!

Hans

Maybe I won't post the figures before this evening since it's being VERY hot
outside and I've to go swimming now...
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From: genesis_midi [mailto:genesis_midi@...]
Sent: Sonntag, 10. August 2003 12:15
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: [Ensoniq-VFX] Calibration Error Fix


Hi

I have that piece on my site but one problem. I think I damage the
vfx with it. I guess there is no ensoniq support for the vfx? not a
centre where I can let them fix the error (for free?)

since I also can't find a proper screwdriver to open it up :S have to
search for a proper one :(

but ok that's not the main problem.

Gonna have a look at it this afternoon I hope.

Thnx for the reply.



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