Fairlight-CMI

Hi everybody

Will someone be able to tell me which hard drives the CMI III can 
use and how large the drives size limit is? I'll prefer any 3½ inch 
hard drive if possible. 

I'm on OS 6.03. 

why I ask this is because I want to connect an external hard drive 
to the CMI for backing up existing drives.

Thanks and my best to all of you in this community

Brian

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "brian_ronn" <brian_ronn@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody
> 
> Will someone be able to tell me which hard drives the CMI III can 
> use and how large the drives size limit is? I'll prefer any 3½ 
inch 
> hard drive if possible. 
> 
> I'm on OS 6.03. 
> 
> why I ask this is because I want to connect an external hard drive 
> to the CMI for backing up existing drives.
> 
> Thanks and my best to all of you in this community
> 
> Brian


Addition to my previous post:

Yesterday I tried a Micropolis (668 Mb) drive and a Quantum fireball 
(1 Gb) drive. I installed one drive at a time i an external casing 
and set drive to scsi id 6 with parity on.

But when trying to access the drive with the format command:

scsiformat /c600 -b=1024 -g

I get the error code: Error #216 path not found.

The case and connectors work when I put the original drive back in.

Can you tell me what is wrong here.......anyone?

Best regards

Brian

Hello Brian,

If your CMI is a rev 6.03 (with a CMI-33 wave processor) and not
an upper release level (with the CMI-41 wave supervisor), the only
hard-disks which are compatible are not SCSI one... The hard-disks
were ESDI with a converter board from Adaptec. This board was able
to drive two ESDI disks and was seen as one SCSI device by the CMI.

You have three solutions to your problem:
- find some ESDI disks and an Adaptec board to add some external
  disks to your CMI.
- Use the DC600 tape streamer or the WORM to archive your data.
- Upgrade your CMI hardware & software to a newer release which
  support standard SCSI devices...

Hope this helps.

    Laurent.

Hi Laurent

Thanks for replying to me. I appreciate it :-)

On bootup my Fairlight says this:

-----------------------------------------------------

OS 9, Level 2, V5.14FK, 26. october 1988

IOpack V3.22

Generel release 6.03.

-----------------------------------------------------

Inside the cardholder I can find a card in slot CMI-33 but no print 
in the metal bar with CMI-41 and of cause no card.

On the back of the machine I have a centronics 50-pins SCSI 
connector which connects to an external SCSI case with a Fujitsu 
M2261SA harddrive. This Fujitsu drive is also a SCSI device.

Laurent, shouldn't I be able to replace the Fujitsu drive with 
another 50 pin SCSI harddrive like the Micropolis 1624 SCSI drive
(668 Mb) or a Quantum fireball SE SCSI drive (1 Gb) and format it 
with the scsiformat command or am I missing something here?

Best regards

Brian  

--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Laurent Lemaire 
<llemaire1@f...> wrote:

> 
> Hello Brian,
> 
> If your CMI is a rev 6.03 (with a CMI-33 wave processor) and not
> an upper release level (with the CMI-41 wave supervisor), the only
> hard-disks which are compatible are not SCSI one... The hard-disks
> were ESDI with a converter board from Adaptec. This board was able
> to drive two ESDI disks and was seen as one SCSI device by the CMI.
> 
> You have three solutions to your problem:
> - find some ESDI disks and an Adaptec board to add some external
>   disks to your CMI.
> - Use the DC600 tape streamer or the WORM to archive your data.
> - Upgrade your CMI hardware & software to a newer release which
>   support standard SCSI devices...
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
>     Laurent.

> Hi Laurent
>
> Thanks for replying to me. I appreciate it :-)
>
> On bootup my Fairlight says this:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> OS 9, Level 2, V5.14FK, 26. october 1988
>
> IOpack V3.22
>
> Generel release 6.03.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Inside the cardholder I can find a card in slot CMI-33 but no print
> in the metal bar with CMI-41 and of cause no card.
>
> On the back of the machine I have a centronics 50-pins SCSI
> connector which connects to an external SCSI case with a Fujitsu
> M2261SA harddrive. This Fujitsu drive is also a SCSI device.
>
> Laurent, shouldn't I be able to replace the Fujitsu drive with
> another 50 pin SCSI harddrive like the Micropolis 1624 SCSI drive
> (668 Mb) or a Quantum fireball SE SCSI drive (1 Gb) and format it
> with the scsiformat command or am I missing something here?

Hello Brian;

the Fairlight OS 6.03 did only support a very small number of drives ( I
think two or three at most); if memory serves me well it was a 180 MB drive
and the largest one a 380 MB drive (or something like that). Good luck
finding those; I think the manufacturer went broke long ago.

All this changed with the later OS (I don't know if this happened with
revision 7 or 8). Of course, this requires new hardware as well...

-- 
Malte Rogacki gacki@gacki.sax.de
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Don't forget to TURN ON THE SYNTHESIZER. Often this is the reason why you
 get no sound out of it." (ARP 2600 Owner's Manual)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I agree with Laurent, you should upgrade the 6.03 machine
to 9.34 just so you can have up to 4GB-size SCSI hard drive support.
then you can use a whole slew of cheap, commodity 1GB, 2GB, 4GB SCSI
hard drives with your CMI.  I bought four of the Seagate 
Barracuda 4GB drives (cheap $$ !) and slapped them into an old SUN 
external drive case, looks cool and works great with my 9.34 CMI

I have a 4GB SCSI internal drive in my CMI for booting and
storing sounds too.

the CMI-41 card is faster than the 33 too.

David



--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "brian_ronn" <brian_ronn@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hi Laurent
> 
> Thanks for replying to me. I appreciate it :-)
> 
> On bootup my Fairlight says this:
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------
> 
> OS 9, Level 2, V5.14FK, 26. october 1988
> 
> IOpack V3.22
> 
> Generel release 6.03.
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Inside the cardholder I can find a card in slot CMI-33 but no print 
> in the metal bar with CMI-41 and of cause no card.
> 
> On the back of the machine I have a centronics 50-pins SCSI 
> connector which connects to an external SCSI case with a Fujitsu 
> M2261SA harddrive. This Fujitsu drive is also a SCSI device.
> 
> Laurent, shouldn't I be able to replace the Fujitsu drive with 
> another 50 pin SCSI harddrive like the Micropolis 1624 SCSI drive
> (668 Mb) or a Quantum fireball SE SCSI drive (1 Gb) and format it 
> with the scsiformat command or am I missing something here?
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Brian  
> 
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Laurent Lemaire 
> <llemaire1@f...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Brian,
> > 
> > If your CMI is a rev 6.03 (with a CMI-33 wave processor) and not
> > an upper release level (with the CMI-41 wave supervisor), the only
> > hard-disks which are compatible are not SCSI one... The hard-disks
> > were ESDI with a converter board from Adaptec. This board was able
> > to drive two ESDI disks and was seen as one SCSI device by the 
CMI.

> > 
> > You have three solutions to your problem:
> > - find some ESDI disks and an Adaptec board to add some external
> >   disks to your CMI.
> > - Use the DC600 tape streamer or the WORM to archive your data.
> > - Upgrade your CMI hardware & software to a newer release which
> >   support standard SCSI devices...
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> > 
> >     Laurent.

Hi Brian,
yes, the 9.34 upgrade should be considered a "technical" matter.
sadly, owning a CMI today is not really for the casual user or
non-technical person, as there is no factory support from Fairlight
anymore.  as such, you have to know quite a bit of the nuts & bolts
of the CMI to keep her running & healthy.  this often falls
outside the realm of what the casual user or musician is
comfortable with.

the upgrade to 9.34 is not a vanilla one-size-fits-all upgrade.
the steps & parts needed to upgrade to 9.34 depend upon what
rev CMI you are upgrading, including HW board and SW revisions.

at a minimum, the upgrade will cost you about $4K I'd guess
with the cost of the CMI-41 card being the most expensive item,
then I'd suggest swapping out your 2MB RAM cards with a couple
of 8MB RAM cards.  then you need to do all the FCN mods to your
old boards to get them up to 9.34-era specs.

lots more details beyond this, so best talk to Peter and give
him your system details.

cheers
David






--- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Brian Ronn <brian_ronn@y...> wrote:
> Hi David & Laurent
>  
> When I was looking at the 9.34 upgrade at Peter Wielks page some
time ago it seemed that the upgrade was a big installation and a job
for a technician, not for the end-user.
>  
> Is it still possible to get the upgrade and how easy is it to
install? I'll consider the upgrade if it's fairly easy to install.
Else I'm going to search on the web for some obsolete Fujitsu harddrives.
>  
> I guess Peter Wielks is the one to contact for the upgrade, right?
but were is his web page to be found these days?

>  
> Best regards
>  
> Brian
>  
>  
> 
> 
> "David J. Wilson" <jeepcherokee_10@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree with Laurent, you should upgrade the 6.03 machine
> to 9.34 just so you can have up to 4GB-size SCSI hard drive support.
> then you can use a whole slew of cheap, commodity 1GB, 2GB, 4GB SCSI
> hard drives with your CMI.  I bought four of the Seagate 
> Barracuda 4GB drives (cheap $$ !) and slapped them into an old SUN 
> external drive case, looks cool and works great with my 9.34 CMI
> 
> I have a 4GB SCSI internal drive in my CMI for booting and
> storing sounds too.
> 
> the CMI-41 card is faster than the 33 too.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "brian_ronn" <brian_ronn@y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Laurent
> > 
> > Thanks for replying to me. I appreciate it :-)
> > 
> > On bootup my Fairlight says this:
> > 
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > OS 9, Level 2, V5.14FK, 26. october 1988
> > 
> > IOpack V3.22
> > 
> > Generel release 6.03.
> > 
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Inside the cardholder I can find a card in slot CMI-33 but no print 
> > in the metal bar with CMI-41 and of cause no card.
> > 
> > On the back of the machine I have a centronics 50-pins SCSI 
> > connector which connects to an external SCSI case with a Fujitsu 
> > M2261SA harddrive. This Fujitsu drive is also a SCSI device.
> > 
> > Laurent, shouldn't I be able to replace the Fujitsu drive with 
> > another 50 pin SCSI harddrive like the Micropolis 1624 SCSI drive
> > (668 Mb) or a Quantum fireball SE SCSI drive (1 Gb) and format it 
> > with the scsiformat command or am I missing something here?
> > 
> > Best regards
> > 
> > Brian  
> > 
> > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, Laurent Lemaire 
> > <llemaire1@f...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hello Brian,
> > > 
> > > If your CMI is a rev 6.03 (with a CMI-33 wave processor) and not
> > > an upper release level (with the CMI-41 wave supervisor), the only
> > > hard-disks which are compatible are not SCSI one... The hard-disks
> > > were ESDI with a converter board from Adaptec. This board was able
> > > to drive two ESDI disks and was seen as one SCSI device by the 
> CMI.
> > > 
> > > You have three solutions to your problem:
> > > - find some ESDI disks and an Adaptec board to add some external
> > >   disks to your CMI.
> > > - Use the DC600 tape streamer or the WORM to archive your data.
> > > - Upgrade your CMI hardware & software to a newer release which
> > >   support standard SCSI devices...
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > 
> > >     Laurent.
> 
> 
> 
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