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2014-03-19 by James Thomson
Hi, I am trying to get my original CMI series 3 vdu display unit to work. There are two 10 pin male amphenol connectors on the front of the Q-219 mono graphics card. Which one do I plug the 10 pin female connector into , the top or the bottom one on the card ? This 10 pin female then takes power from the Q-219 card to the rear of the CMI which then supplies 16V AC power to the vdu. Thanks . James Thomson
2014-03-20 by Joe Sleator
Hi,
I am trying to get my original CMI series 3 vdu display unit to work. There are two 10 pin male amphenol connectors on the front of the Q-219 mono graphics card. Which one do I plug the 10 pin female connector into , the top or the bottom one on the card ? This 10 pin female then takes power from the Q-219 card to the rear of the CMI which then supplies 16V AC power to the vdu. Thanks .
James Thomson
2014-03-20 by horizontal_productions@hotmail.com
2014-03-20 by James Thomson
Hi Joe, Thanks to Peter Wielk and yourself for helping out. Yes silly me, I thought power was supplied to the vdu from the Q-219 card ! Anyway I have plugged the 10 way black female connector into the top slot of the Q-219 card. I have double checked the vdu cable to the mainframe and it's ok. I have the bottom plate removed from the Multitech vdu . When I connect the internal two red wire connector to the main board inside the vdu and then power up the CMI the fuse in position 9 beside the PSU underneath the mainframe blows. Something inside the vdu is causing gone VDU fuse ( position 9 ) to blow. The red VDU + 16 V light goes out on the rear of the mainframe as soon as the fuse blows. I have checked both fuses inside the vdu and they seem fine. I am missing the actual internal video signal cable which connects between pin 4 of the belling lee connector inside the base of the vdu to the motherboard inside the vdu case. Do you know what this connecting cable looks like and where does it connect to on the main board of the vdu? Regarding the 10 fuse positions beneath the mainframe. What are the values of each ? It seems position 10 is empty. Thanks. James Thomson
> On 20 Mar 2014, at 11:58, Joe Sleator <joe.sleator@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi James, > > On my Q219s, the lower 10 way (S0) are the LP signals, and the upper (S1) is the video. > This is confirmed by the IIx service manual, both in the schematic, and in the theory of operation pages for Q219 page 41. > > S0-pin4 is 5V for the lightpen, presumably, but the cable doesn't seem to carry it. > S0-pin2 is LPHIT-bar > S0-pin5 is LPTOUCH-bar > S0-pin7 and S1-pin7 are composite video out. > S1-pin8 is earth for the video. > S0-pins 1,3,6,8,9,10 are earth > > On the series III the 10 way carries only video to the back panel, thence out to the vdu. > > But if you're just looking for video, looks like either connector would work as long as composite and earth are the only connections. > > But to suss out the VDU, you can simply inject normal composite video into the relevant lines plus earth. You don't strictly need a CMI, but you'll need the AC power for the Series III vdu. > > Get hold of the service manual for the series III and verify the power connections on the cannon (amphenol?) connector that goes to the vdu. The PSU lights on the SIII have a label for VDU power to help you. > > Lemme know how you go... > > Cheers, > Joe > > > >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:25 AM, James Thomson <jamesthomson9@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am trying to get my original CMI series 3 vdu display unit to work. There are two 10 pin male amphenol connectors on the front of the Q-219 mono graphics card. Which one do I plug the 10 pin female connector into , the top or the bottom one on the card ? This 10 pin female then takes power from the Q-219 card to the rear of the CMI which then supplies 16V AC power to the vdu. Thanks . >> >> James Thomson > >
2014-03-20 by Joe Sleator
Hi Joe,Thanks to Peter Wielk and yourself for helping out. Yes silly me, I thought power was supplied to the vdu from the Q-219 card !Anyway I have plugged the 10 way black female connector into the top slot of the Q-219 card. I have double checked the vdu cable to the mainframe and it's ok. ;I have the bottom plate removed from the Multitech vdu . When I connect the internal two red wire connector to the main board inside the vdu and then power up the CMI the fuse in position 9 beside the PSU underneath the mainframe blows.Something inside the vdu is causing gone VDU fuse ( position 9 ) to blow. The red VDU + 16 V light goes out on the rear of the mainframe as soon as the fuse blows. I have checked both fuses inside the vdu and they seem fine. I am missing the actual internal video signal cable which connects between pin 4 of the belling lee connector inside the base of the vdu to the motherboard inside the vdu case. Do you know what this connecting cable looks like and where does it connect to on the main board of the vdu?Regarding the 10 fuse positions beneath the mainframe. What are the values of each ? It seems position 10 is empty. Thanks.James ThomsonHi James,On my Q219s, the lower 10 way (S0) are the LP signals, and the upper (S1) is the video.This is confirmed by the IIx service manual, both in the schematic, and in the theory of operation pages for Q219 page 41.S0-pin4 is 5V for the lightpen, presumably, but the cable doesn't seem to carry it.S0-pin2 is LPHIT-barS0-pin5 is LPTOUCH-barS0-pin7 and S1-pin7 are composite video out.S1-pin8 is earth for the video.S0-pins 1,3,6,8,9,10 are earthOn the series III the 10 way carries only video to the back panel, thence out to the vdu.But if you're just looking for video, looks like either connector would work as long as composite and earth are the only connections.But to suss out the VDU, you can simply inject normal composite video into the relevant lines plus earth. You don't strictly need a CMI, but you'll need the AC power for the Series III vdu.Get hold of the service manual for the series III and verify the power connections on the cannon (amphenol?) connector that goes to the vdu. The PSU lights on the SIII have a label for VDU power to help you.Lemme know how you go...Cheers,JoeOn Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:25 AM, James Thomson <jamesthomson9@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am trying to get my original CMI series 3 vdu display unit to work. There are two 10 pin male amphenol connectors on the front of the Q-219 mono graphics card. Which one do I plug the 10 pin female connector into , the top or the bottom one on the card ? This 10 pin female then takes power from the Q-219 card to the rear of the CMI which then supplies 16V AC power to the vdu. Thanks .
James Thomson
2014-03-20 by James Thomson
Hi Joe,
Thank you for such a thorough email. The first thing I will do is double check the supply cable which connects from the mainframe to the vdu.
Do you know the fuse ratings for 1 - 9
on the underside of the mainframe? I will need to buy some spares. The spot for fuse 10 seems to be empty. It's the same on my MFX-2.
Where are you in the U.K .? I am in Bristol. I really need someone with Series 3 technical knowledge. I am not a tech so there is only so much I can do. More technicians seem to understand the CMI series 2X better than the 3.
Cheers,
James > On 20 Mar 2014, at 14:47, Joe Sleator <joe.sleator@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi James, > > Well, it _might_ be as simple as a shorted winding in the primary of the transformer inside the VDU. Have you got a series III service manual? > I'd also be verifying the AC signal pins at both ends, also checking the cable for a short-to-shield or metal plug body. > I'd also check between the chassis of the VDU and both AC leads. Shouldn't be too hard to take that plug apart both ends. Even easier just to check it with an ohmeter or buzzer. > > The resistance between both AC leads into the VDU (without the cable plugged in) should be small but not zero, and should not ever appear to connect to the chassis, that's my first guess. > > If your cable's good and you've got another source of ~16VAC, roughly, I'd also try that instead, directly to the PCB, after you check the fairlight supply/video cable. A variac+fuse would do, I've got one, but I suspect I'm a bit far away to loan it to you. > > I don't clearly remember whether there's an SIII vdu schematic in the service manual or not, but I can have a look soon. If you have a copy of the SIII service manual (wasn't it downloadable?) you can check yourself. > > Regarding the internal cabling for the composite video, I'd have to pull apart my SIII vdu and check, unless the position is shown inside the schematic. I'd have thought it fairly obvious on the VDU pcb, perhaps even clearly labelled. > > The SIII monochrome greenscreen VDU is not particularly special. I don't think there are any LSI chips in it at all, it'd all be transistors, transformers, diodes, and so forth. > Simpler even than a MAC classic vdu board. > > It is VERY interesting that the CMI 16VAC fuse blows without blowing the VDU fuses, though. Makes me think there's actually a short in the supply cable! Verify that. > > It HAS had its frequencies tweaked to be able to cope with the higher horizontal frequency, but analog monochrome monitors can sometimes do that. I've got an old apple II monochrome monitor that'll take the CMI monochrome video signals. I seem to recall it used a switched inductor in the horizontal signal path to get a higher horizontal rate. > > Please check your supply cable first. Let me know. > > Cheers, > Joe > > > >> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:36 AM, James Thomson <jamesthomson9@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Joe, >> >> Thanks to Peter Wielk and yourself for helping out. Yes silly me, I thought power was supplied to the vdu from the Q-219 card ! >> Anyway I have plugged the 10 way black female connector into the top slot of the Q-219 card. I have double checked the vdu cable to the mainframe and it's ok. >> I have the bottom plate removed from the Multitech vdu . When I connect the internal two red wire connector to the main board inside the vdu and then power up the CMI the fuse in position 9 beside the PSU underneath the mainframe blows. >> Something inside the vdu is causing gone VDU fuse ( position 9 ) to blow. The red VDU + 16 V light goes out on the rear of the mainframe as soon as the fuse blows. I have checked both fuses inside the vdu and they seem fine. I am missing the actual internal video signal cable which connects between pin 4 of the belling lee connector inside the base of the vdu to the motherboard inside the vdu case. Do you know what this connecting cable looks like and where does it connect to on the main board of the vdu? >> Regarding the 10 fuse positions beneath the mainframe. What are the values of each ? It seems position 10 is empty. Thanks. >> >> James Thomson >> >>> On 20 Mar 2014, at 11:58, Joe Sleator <joe.sleator@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi James, >>> >>> On my Q219s, the lower 10 way (S0) are the LP signals, and the upper (S1) is the video. >>> This is confirmed by the IIx service manual, both in the schematic, and in the theory of operation pages for Q219 page 41. >>> >>> S0-pin4 is 5V for the lightpen, presumably, but the cable doesn't seem to carry it. >>> S0-pin2 is LPHIT-bar >>> S0-pin5 is LPTOUCH-bar >>> S0-pin7 and S1-pin7 are composite video out. >>> S1-pin8 is earth for the video. >>> S0-pins 1,3,6,8,9,10 are earth >>> >>> On the series III the 10 way carries only video to the back panel, thence out to the vdu. >>> >>> But if you're just looking for video, looks like either connector would work as long as composite and earth are the only connections. >>> >>> But to suss out the VDU, you can simply inject normal composite video into the relevant lines plus earth. You don't strictly need a CMI, but you'll need the AC power for the Series III vdu. >>> >>> Get hold of the service manual for the series III and verify the power connections on the cannon (amphenol?) connector that goes to the vdu. The PSU lights on the SIII have a label for VDU power to help you. >>> >>> Lemme know how you go... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:25 AM, James Thomson <jamesthomson9@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I am trying to get my original CMI series 3 vdu display unit to work. There are two 10 pin male amphenol connectors on the front of the Q-219 mono graphics card. Which one do I plug the 10 pin female connector into , the top or the bottom one on the card ? This 10 pin female then takes power from the Q-219 card to the rear of the CMI which then supplies 16V AC power to the vdu. Thanks . >>>> >>>> James Thomson > >
2014-03-20 by Joe Sleator
Hi Joe,Thank you for such a thorough email. The first thing I will do is double check the supply cable which connects from the mainframe to the vdu.Do you know the fuse ratings for 1 - 9on the underside of the mainframe? I will need to buy some spares. The spot for fuse 10 seems to be empty. It's the same on my MFX-2.Where are you in the U.K .? I am in Bristol. I really need someone with Series 3 technical knowledge. I am not a tech so there is only so much I can do. More technicians seem to understand the CMI series 2X better than the 3.Cheers,JamesHi James,Well, it _might_ be as simple as a shorted winding in the primary of the transformer inside the VDU. Have you got a series III service manual?I'd also be verifying the AC signal pins at both ends, also checking the cable for a short-to-shield or metal plug body.I'd also check between the chassis of the VDU and both AC leads. Shouldn't be too hard to take that plug apart both ends. Even easier just to check it with an ohmeter or buzzer.The resistance between both AC leads into the VDU (without the cable plugged in) should be small but not zero, and should not ever appear to connect to the chassis, that's my first guess.If your cable's good and you've got another source of ~16VAC, roughly, I'd also try that instead, directly to the PCB, after you check the fairlight supply/video cable. A variac+fuse would do, I've got one, but I suspect I'm a bit far away to loan it to you.I don't clearly remember whether there's an SIII vdu schematic in the service manual or not, but I can have a look soon. If you have a copy of the SIII service manual (wasn't it downloadable?) you can check yourself.Regarding the internal cabling for the composite video, I'd have to pull apart my SIII vdu and check, unless the position is shown inside the schematic. I'd have thought it fairly obvious on the VDU pcb, perhaps even clearly labelled.The SIII monochrome greenscreen VDU is not particularly special. I don't think there are any LSI chips in it at all, it'd all be transistors, transformers, diodes, and so forth.Simpler even than a MAC classic vdu board.It is VERY interesting that the CMI 16VAC fuse blows without blowing the VDU fuses, though. Makes me think there's actually a short in the supply cable! Verify that.It HAS had its frequencies tweaked to be able to cope with the higher horizontal frequency, but analog monochrome monitors can sometimes do that. I've got an old apple II monochrome monitor that'll take the CMI monochrome video signals. I seem to recall it used a switched inductor in the horizontal signal path to get a higher horizontal rate.Please check your supply cable first. Let me know.Cheers,JoeOn Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:36 AM, James Thomson <jamesthomson9@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Joe,Thanks to Peter Wielk and yourself for helping out. Yes silly me, I thought power was supplied to the vdu from the Q-219 card !Anyway I have plugged the 10 way black female connector into the top slot of the Q-219 card. I have double checked the vdu cable to the mainframe and it's ok. ;I have the bottom plate removed from the Multitech vdu . When I connect the internal two red wire connector to the main board inside the vdu and then power up the CMI the fuse in position 9 beside the PSU underneath the mainframe blows.Something inside the vdu is causing gone VDU fuse ( position 9 ) to blow. The red VDU + 16 V light goes out on the rear of the mainframe as soon as the fuse blows. I have checked both fuses inside the vdu and they seem fine. I am missing the actual internal video signal cable which connects between pin 4 of the belling lee connector inside the base of the vdu to the motherboard inside the vdu case. Do you know what this connecting cable looks like and where does it connect to on the main board of the vdu?Regarding the 10 fuse positions beneath the mainframe. What are the values of each ? It seems position 10 is empty. Thanks.James ThomsonHi James,On my Q219s, the lower 10 way (S0) are the LP signals, and the upper (S1) is the video.This is confirmed by the IIx service manual, both in the schematic, and in the theory of operation pages for Q219 page 41.S0-pin4 is 5V for the lightpen, presumably, but the cable doesn't seem to carry it.S0-pin2 is LPHIT-barS0-pin5 is LPTOUCH-barS0-pin7 and S1-pin7 are composite video out.S1-pin8 is earth for the video.S0-pins 1,3,6,8,9,10 are earthOn the series III the 10 way carries only video to the back panel, thence out to the vdu.But if you're just looking for video, looks like either connector would work as long as composite and earth are the only connections.But to suss out the VDU, you can simply inject normal composite video into the relevant lines plus earth. You don't strictly need a CMI, but you'll need the AC power for the Series III vdu.Get hold of the service manual for the series III and verify the power connections on the cannon (amphenol?) connector that goes to the vdu. The PSU lights on the SIII have a label for VDU power to help you.Lemme know how you go...Cheers,JoeOn Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:25 AM, James Thomson <jamesthomson9@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am trying to get my original CMI series 3 vdu display unit to work. There are two 10 pin male amphenol connectors on the front of the Q-219 mono graphics card. Which one do I plug the 10 pin female connector into , the top or the bottom one on the card ? This 10 pin female then takes power from the Q-219 card to the rear of the CMI which then supplies 16V AC power to the vdu. Thanks .
James Thomson
2014-03-27 by Jean-Bernard EMOND
I make some Brackets / Hinges for Fairlight CMI & MFX if you want one or more look here : <http://mustudio.fr/?page_id=2155> JB
2014-03-27 by Jean-Bernard EMOND
Hi all, I make 3 types of extender boards for Fairlight CMI and MFX. Look here for more informations : <http://mustudio.fr/?page_id=2135> JB
2014-03-27 by Glenn
Hi JB, I'm glad you beat me to it with the hinges, as I've been taking too long working on the metal hinges (due to health trouble) and was feeling guilty. Are they 3D printed or did you make injection molds? There's a problem with the shipping. It does only add one shipping charge regardless of the amount of items placed into the cart, but the text says 8 Euro for one or more items, but it then adds 15 Euro shipping, regardless of quantity of items ordered. Please advise? Thanks, Glenn ________________________________
From: Jean-Bernard EMOND <jbemond@free.fr> To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 5:18 PM Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] Brackets / Hinges for Fairlight CMI & MFX I make some Brackets / Hinges for Fairlight CMI & MFX if you want one or more look here : <http://mustudio.fr/?page_id=2155> JB
2014-03-27 by Jean-Bernard EMOND
They are 3D printed. The plastic is rigid enough to maintain the façade and flexible enough not to break ;) The price is 8 euros for one > There's a problem with the shipping. It does only add one shipping charge regardless of the amount of items placed into the cart, but the text says 8 Euro for one or more items, but it then adds 15 Euro shipping, regardless of quantity of items ordered. Please advise? it was a mistake, it is corrected ;) JB
2014-03-27 by andrei.kudryavtsev@gmail.com
2014-03-27 by Jean-Bernard EMOND
ARf… Professional work with the right tools ;) Originally it is a specific order for a UK customer. Just look at the price of connectors … I do not force anyone to buy;) Regards, JB Le 27 mars 2014 à 21:44, <andrei.kudryavtsev@gmail.com> <andrei.kudryavtsev@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Nice project but wondering who would buy it for that price? Seriously, selling straight PCB for the cost of used CMI card... If somebody is looking for specific configuration, (example, in my case a channel output card connected with a ribbon cable outside the chassis for signal checking), then I'd go directly to pcbcart and make my own for cheap. Or even simpler way if I need it for try, vintage scrap with similar contact step works well. For instance, ISA card or riser. Just cut what you need and solder whatever you want. http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-4694-P247-C-2-ISA-Slot-Riser-Card-NEW-59G8681-/371018501998?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56626d0f6e > > No needs to invent a bicycle :) > < /p>
2014-03-27 by Joe Sleator
Nice project but wondering who would buy it for that price? Seriously, selling straight PCB for the cost of used CMI card... If somebody is looking for specific configuration, (example, in my case a channel output card connected with a ribbon cable outside the chassis for signal checking), then I'd go directly to pcbcart and make my own for cheap. Or even simpler way if I need it for try, vintage scrap with similar contact step works well. For instance, ISA card or riser. Just cut what you need and solder whatever you want. http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-4694-P247-C-2-ISA-Slot-Riser-Card-NEW-59G8681-/371018501998?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56626d0f6e
No needs to invent a bicycle :)
2014-03-28 by James Thomson
Hi Andrei,
No matter what price there will always be someone who is not happy. For anyone who values having a CMI the option to actually be able to purchase the three extender boards is very welcome. JB is passionate about the Fairlight and his contribution is greatly appreciated. I bought two flash kits which have transformed working with the CMI. The original extender boards were very rare and now we have the opportunity to buy brand new ones which will be a great help to any technician who may attempt to repair any cards on the CMI.
The Fairlight market is very small so it's more a ' labour of love' than a profit making exercise. Well done JB !
Cheers,
James > On 27 Mar 2014, at 22:50, Joe Sleator <joe.sleator@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Andrei, > > I like the fact that they are available at all. I have some from 80's, but many don't. They are convenient. Well done, JB! > > Also, I think 100 Euros would be quite close to JB's cost for a small run. I don't think anybody expects to become wealthy selling CMI parts. Even Fairlight itself never did! > > But yes, one can always jerry-rig something from an edge connector in a pinch, and some of the busses actually only carry a few signals you might need, rather than dozens at a time. > > Joe > > > > >> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 7:44 AM, <andrei.kudryavtsev@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Nice project but wondering who would buy it for that price? Seriously, selling straight PCB for the cost of used CMI card... If somebody is looking for specific configuration, (example, in my case a channel output card connected with a ribbon cable outside the chassis for signal checking), then I'd go directly to pcbcart and make my own for cheap. Or even simpler way if I need it for try, vintage scrap with similar contact step works well. For instance, ISA card or riser. Just cut what you need and solder whatever you want. http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-4694-P247-C-2-ISA-Slot-Riser-Card-NEW-59G8681-/371018501998?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56626d0f6e >> >> No needs to invent a bicycle :) > >
2014-03-28 by andrei.kudryavtsev@gmail.com
2014-03-31 by davidmorley@gmx.net
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