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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] G-10 questions

2015-09-30 by Dave G4UGM

When did etch resist pens come in? Pretty sure they were around in 1972. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: 30 September 2015 10:40
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] G-10 questions
> 
> Brad
> 
> The simple answer is no.  Laser printers did not exist then so toner transfer
> was not possible.  Silk screen materials were available and you could do a
> screen if you had access to a college art department.
> 
> Again you could cheat by doing a colour laser printout thermal transfer.  You
> need some means of aligning the image to the board.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
> I don't suffer from insanity I enjoy it!
> Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin
> The writing is on the wall.
> Ha-ktovet al ha-kir
> 
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> On Wed, 9/30/15, 'Brad' unclefalter@... [Homebrew_PCBs]
> <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] G-10 questions
>  To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
>  Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2015, 5:51 AM
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>        Thanks muchly Malcolm.  That
>  makes things a lot clearer.  Question – did you do any  silkscreening back
> then for parts placement?  I notice in  the plans printed by Radio Electronics,
> they had the  printouts for the copper side, but also silkscreening for  the
> non-copper side to aid in parts placement.  I’m  wondering how a home
> hobbyist at the time might have pulled  that off, or if they did.  From:
> Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com]
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:15
>  PM
>  To:
>  Homebrew_PCBs@...m
>  Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] G-10
>  questions    Back in those days I used two
>  methods:
>  Copper clad FR4 was available, but
>  a lot of SRBP was used as it was much cheaper.
>  The first method was to paint, by hand, using  mothers thinned nail varnish
> onto a carbon paper print  traced from the layout printout.
>  There was a
>  great negative photo resist, KPCR, made by Kodak, sadly no  longer available
> that you exposed to ultra violet light  through a negative transparency of the
> of the layout.
>  Then developed in a solvent based solution that  coloured your fingers red
> for at least a week if you got it  on them.
> 
>  So you would not
>  be cheating if you used modern pre-sensitized copper FR4  from companies
> such as Mega,  <http://www.megauk.com/pcb_laminates.php>
>  or a dry film:
>  <http://www.instructables.com/id/Fantastic-Double-Sided-PCBs-at-home-
> using-photores/>
>  or
>  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRCFGZxmob0>
> 
>  Malcolm
> 
>  I don't suffer from insanity I enjoy it!
>  Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin
>  The
>  writing is on the wall.
>  Ha-ktovet al
>  ha-kir
> 
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>  On Tue, 9/29/15, 'Brad'
>  unclefalter@... [Homebrew_PCBs]
>  <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] G-10
>  questions
>  To:
>  Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
>  Date: Tuesday,
>  September 29, 2015, 11:51 PM
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>  Hi guys,
>   I’ve been continuing to
>  research and
>  amass parts for my TV Typewriter replica build.
>   I have a blog of it here:
>  http://bradhodge.ca/blog
>  -- mostly working
>  on the case right now to inspire me to
>  push
>  forward, but I’ve succeeded in getting almost all of  the vintage 1973 or
> earlier chips I needed.  Now I’m down  to the PCBs again.
>   I guess I’m still
>  kind of
>  ‘green’ on this sort of thing.  Ideally, I’d  like to do my PCBs the way they
> would have in  1973.  But I  still don’t understand how  that worked.  Don
> Lancaster  said the boards  used were green G-10.  I found this on
>  ebay:
>  http://www.ebay.com/itm/16-Green-G-10-FR4-Sheets-032-Thick-x-28-x-7-
> 25-G10-Material-/141719358328?hash=item20ff21cb78
>   I guess what I’m having trouble
>  with is
>  understanding how a home PCB maker in 1973 would  have gone about
> getting copper onto these  boards and copying  the artwork from the
> article.  Is there any really good,  baby-steps reading out there?  I just want to
> understand  the original process and if it is  possible to replicate it  here in
> 2015.  I  sort of understand the idea behind photo  lithography.. I’m just not
> understanding how  copper ends  up on board, etc.  Much
> appreciated!  BRad
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