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Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-17 by javaguy11111

I have updated my website demonstrating exposing and developing boards
using photoresist.
The url is http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist
<http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist>

I have also added a page on some of the boards I have built over the
years. These were done with toner transfer.
The url is http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/boards
<http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/boards>




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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-17 by Myc Holmes

According to the Arm and Hammer website, Super Washing soda is Sodium
Carbonate.

This is different than Baking 'soda -- SodiumBiCarbonate.

Myc

On Feb 17, 2008 2:58 PM, javaguy11111 <javaguy11111@...> wrote:

>   I have updated my website demonstrating exposing and developing boards
> using photoresist.
> The url is http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist
> <http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist>
>
> I have also added a page on some of the boards I have built over the
> years. These were done with toner transfer.
> The url is http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/boards
> <http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/boards>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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Re: Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-17 by javaguy11111

Are you just emphasizing the difference between sodium carbonate and
sodium bicarbonate or do I have a typo in one of my pages.

Damon

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Myc Holmes" <mycroft2152y@...>
wrote:
>
> According to the Arm and Hammer website, Super Washing soda is Sodium
> Carbonate.
> 
> This is different than Baking 'soda -- SodiumBiCarbonate.
> 
> Myc
> 
> On Feb 17, 2008 2:58 PM, javaguy11111 <javaguy11111@...> wrote:
> 
> >   I have updated my website demonstrating exposing and developing
boards
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> > using photoresist.
> > The url is http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist
> > <http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist>
> >
> > I have also added a page on some of the boards I have built over the
> > years. These were done with toner transfer.
> > The url is http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/boards
> > <http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/boards>
> >
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-17 by Myc Holmes

I thought the picture of the box was a little confusing, I had nver seen
"Washing Soda" in the stores.

They are totally different chemicals.

Sodium Carbonate is an alakli, not as strong as Sodium Hydroxide (Caustic
Soda).

Sodium Bicarbonate is more of a buffer and is used to create CO2 in baking.

Myc
On Feb 17, 2008 4:05 PM, javaguy11111 <javaguy11111@...> wrote:

>   Are you just emphasizing the difference between sodium carbonate and
> sodium bicarbonate or do I have a typo in one of my pages.
>
> Damon
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com <Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Myc Holmes" <mycroft2152y@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > According to the Arm and Hammer website, Super Washing soda is Sodium
> > Carbonate.
> >
> > This is different than Baking 'soda -- SodiumBiCarbonate.
> >
> > Myc
> >
> > On Feb 17, 2008 2:58 PM, javaguy11111 <javaguy11111@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I have updated my website demonstrating exposing and developing
> boards
> > > using photoresist.
> > > The url is http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist
> > > <http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist>
> > >
> > > I have also added a page on some of the boards I have built over the
> > > years. These were done with toner transfer.
> > > The url is http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/boards
> > > <http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/boards>
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-17 by javaguy11111

You are correct that sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate are
different. 

Fortunately where I live is semi-rural and a small grocery store did
carry it. I am not sure if it is something that bigger chain stores
would carry.

However you can go to a pool supply to get alkalinity increaser. You
have to be careful not to get the sodium hydrogen carbonate which is
also baking soda. I made that mistake initially.




--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Myc Holmes" <mycroft2152y@...>
wrote:
>
> I thought the picture of the box was a little confusing, I had nver seen
> "Washing Soda" in the stores.
> 
> They are totally different chemicals.
> 
> Sodium Carbonate is an alakli, not as strong as Sodium Hydroxide
(Caustic
> Soda).
> 
> Sodium Bicarbonate is more of a buffer and is used to create CO2 in
baking.
> 
> Myc
> On Feb 17, 2008 4:05 PM, javaguy11111 <javaguy11111@...> wrote:
> 
> >   Are you just emphasizing the difference between sodium carbonate and
> > sodium bicarbonate or do I have a typo in one of my pages.
> >
> > Damon
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
<Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Myc Holmes" <mycroft2152y@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > According to the Arm and Hammer website, Super Washing soda is
Sodium
> > > Carbonate.
> > >
> > > This is different than Baking 'soda -- SodiumBiCarbonate.
> > >
> > > Myc
> > >
> > > On Feb 17, 2008 2:58 PM, javaguy11111 <javaguy11111@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have updated my website demonstrating exposing and developing
> > boards
> > > > using photoresist.
> > > > The url is
http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist
> > > > <http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist>
> > > >
> > > > I have also added a page on some of the boards I have built
over the
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-17 by Leon

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>I thought the picture of the box was a little confusing, I had nver seen
> "Washing Soda" in the stores.
>
> They are totally different chemicals.
>
> Sodium Carbonate is an alakli, not as strong as Sodium Hydroxide (Caustic
> Soda).
>
> Sodium Bicarbonate is more of a buffer and is used to create CO2 in 
> baking.

'Washing soda' (sodium carbonate) used to be very common in the UK, it was 
used with soap for washing clothes before detergents were invented.

Leon
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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-18 by Russell Shaw

Myc Holmes wrote:
> According to the Arm and Hammer website, Super Washing soda is Sodium
> Carbonate.
> 
> This is different than Baking 'soda -- SodiumBiCarbonate.

SodiumBiCarbonate (NaHCO3) is actually sodium-hydrogen carbonate because one
sodium (Na) is replaced with a hydrogen. Sodium Carbonate is Na2CO3.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-18 by Philip Pemberton

Leon wrote:
> 'Washing soda' (sodium carbonate) used to be very common in the UK, it was 
> used with soap for washing clothes before detergents were invented.

So I've been told... I've been trying to track some down for ages (it's 
apparently good for neutralising ferric chloride), but nobody seems to sell it 
any more.

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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-19 by Larry Geib

Are you in the US?

Arm and Hammer still sells it. It's in my local Safeway in the  
detergent aisle.

Larry
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On Feb 18, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Philip Pemberton wrote:

> Leon wrote:
>> 'Washing soda' (sodium carbonate) used to be very common in the  
>> UK, it was
>> used with soap for washing clothes before detergents were invented.
>
> So I've been told... I've been trying to track some down for ages  
> (it's
> apparently good for neutralising ferric chloride), but nobody seems  
> to sell it
> any more.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-19 by Derryck Croker

On 18 Feb 2008, at 21:47, Philip Pemberton wrote:

> Leon wrote:
>> 'Washing soda' (sodium carbonate) used to be very common in the UK,  
>> it was
>> used with soap for washing clothes before detergents were invented.
>
> So I've been told... I've been trying to track some down for ages  
> (it's
> apparently good for neutralising ferric chloride), but nobody seems  
> to sell it
> any more.

Sodium Carbonate Decahydrate on sale in the local Sainsbury's  
supermarket - "Washing Soda". I use it to soften the water a little, =  
less soap powder.

-- 

Cheers

Derryck

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-19 by lists

In article <2F186D68-4ABB-41CE-8724-CD1464CA127D@...>,
   Derryck Croker <derryck@...> wrote:

> Sodium Carbonate Decahydrate on sale in the local Sainsbury's  
> supermarket - "Washing Soda". I use it to soften the water a little, =  
> less soap powder.

I often use it when I take a bath, it prevents the scummy tidemark!

Usually I shower.

Re: Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-21 by jj_winkel

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "javaguy11111" 
<javaguy11111@...> wrote:
>
> I have updated my website demonstrating exposing and developing 
boards
> using photoresist.
> The url is 
http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist

I am very impressed by your mask, has it really been printed with a 
R2400 ?
I have a R1800 and pigment inks too, can you share printer settings 
and transparency details to achieve such a result ?
Thanks

Re: Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-22 by javaguy11111

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "jj_winkel" <jj.winkel@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "javaguy11111" 
> <javaguy11111@> wrote:
> >
> > I have updated my website demonstrating exposing and developing 
> boards
> > using photoresist.
> > The url is 
> http://www.pcbhobbyist.com/exposinganddevelopingphotoresist
> 
> I am very impressed by your mask, has it really been printed with a 
> R2400 ?
> I have a R1800 and pigment inks too, can you share printer settings 
> and transparency details to achieve such a result ?
> Thanks
>

Yes, the mask was printed with an R2400. I am using eagle for my cad
software. I exported to a png, then loaded it into gimp and reversed
the image to make a negative and printed that out.

For the transparency I used Pictorico Premium OHP Transparency.

I am not sure of the differences between the R2400 and R1800 drivers,
so I am not sure if they will be applicable to the R1800.
Paper is premium photo glossy and best photo. Color management is set
to Advanced B&W Photo. There is an Ink Config option. Set that to +50
density and Drying Time per Print Head Pass to 50 which corresponds to
5 seconds. The black ink cartridge I am using is the Glossy Black and
not the Matte Black. Matte Black will not dry properly on the
transparency.

The settings I have are based on what is used for contact photographic
techniques. The photographers tend to work with plates made of
palladium and platinum and use UV light sources as well. So that
pretty much matches what we do, except we work with copper. We
actually have it easier because people doing photographic prints try
to get gray scale. 

The other nice thing about the R2400 is that it also has a straight
through feed to allow items up to 1.3 mm thick to pass through. It is
not quite enough to use 1/16 board, but I did see some .04 board on
ebay that I could use to test direct to board printing. I might also
try direct to photoresist printing if the mylar will take the ink.

My initial tests while quite good, I think will be much better once I
have the UV LEDs. When those come in, I will mount some of the LEDs on
a breadboard to do some test exposures. The mask is well defined(but
jagged) down to .001 width and .001 spacing. I will be surprised if I
can etch that fine, but I am hoping to reach .003/.003 .

Damon

Re: Exposing Photoresist and Some Boards I have built

2008-02-22 by javaguy11111

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "javaguy11111"
<javaguy11111@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, the mask was printed with an R2400. I am using eagle for my cad
> software. I exported to a png, then loaded it into gimp and reversed
> the image to make a negative and printed that out.
> 


I need to make a correction. I did not need to reverse the photo in
gimp. When I set to Black and White export in Eagle, the traces were
already clear. I just used gimp for printing.

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