Homebrew PCBs

Anybody here ever used Altium?

Daryl.

I thought Altium is just the new name for Protel?


ST

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:02 AM, logicresearch <logicresearch@...> wrote:
> Anybody here ever used Altium?
>
> Daryl.
>

logicresearch wrote:
> Anybody here ever used Altium?

Yes, I fight with it on a daily basis.

-- 
James
email: j@...  web: http://www.mesb.co.uk

I am using it everyday.

logicresearch pravi:

>
> Anybody here ever used Altium?
>
> Daryl.
>

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:02:12 -0000, you wrote:

>Anybody here ever used Altium?

Only the Atmel version, which does schematics to CUPL to a *.pla file,
which is then used to program a CPLD.

I can speak about that part of it, (schematic capture) and that's an
old version.  Can't do anything with boards with it, though.

Harvey

>
>Daryl.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Marko Pavlin <mp@...> wrote:
>
> I am using it everyday.

So no seriously bad points? - It does a good job?

I'm looking for a good PCB package and so far this and EASY-PC are 
the front runners.
When I get some time I will try the on-line trial but these things 
dont come cheap.

> 
> logicresearch pravi:
> >
> > Anybody here ever used Altium?
> >
> > Daryl.
> >
>

I'm new to this group, so forgive me if this has already been 
discussed to death. I am mostly interested in very small robots, so I 
want to make small (less than 2x2 inches), relatively thin boards. 
Has anyone successfully used one of these dedicated cd or dvd label 
printers, or a photo printer that also allows cd printing for direct 
transfer? I am aware of the ink issues, etc, though I have not fully 
researched this, yet. Thanks for any leads.

Mark

We are small team and use special softwatre for thick film hybrid design 
(graffy), which was not cheap, so to save some money on secondary 
software (for PCB design), we first decided to buy some low-cost 
software (eagle or similar), but finally, we decided to go with altium. 
We never regret our decision. When you place real interest, you will 
probably get discount, so never rely on first offer. We had good 
purchasing guy, who negotiated good price comparing to "official" prices.

Marko

logicresearch pravi:

>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>, Marko Pavlin <mp@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am using it everyday.
>
> So no seriously bad points? - It does a good job?
>
> I'm looking for a good PCB package and so far this and EASY-PC are
> the front runners.
> When I get some time I will try the on-line trial but these things
> dont come cheap.
>
> >
> > logicresearch pravi:
> > >
> > > Anybody here ever used Altium?
> > >
> > > Daryl.
> > >
> >
>
> 
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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "logicresearch" <logicresearch@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Altium


> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Marko Pavlin <mp@...> wrote:
>>
>> I am using it everyday.
>
> So no seriously bad points? - It does a good job?
>
> I'm looking for a good PCB package and so far this and EASY-PC are
> the front runners.
> When I get some time I will try the on-line trial but these things
> dont come cheap.

Have a look at Pulsonix. It comes from the same company as Easy-PC, but is 
intended for professional users.

Leon
--
Leon Heller
Amateur radio call-sign  G1HSM
Yaesu FT-817ND transceiver
Suzuki SV1000S motorcycle
leon355@...
http://www.geocities.com/leon_heller

"logicresearch" <logicresearch@...> writes:
> I'm looking for a good PCB package and so far this and EASY-PC are 
> the front runners.

What were the key points that stopped you from choosing gEDA/PCB ?

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "logicresearch"
<logicresearch@...> wrote:
>
> Anybody here ever used Altium?
> 
> Daryl.
>
I use Protel 99SE (with SP6) which was probably the last affordable
software from them.  It is pretty capable, has only a few minor bugs
that can be easily worked around once you know them.  It will handle
more layers than I can ever imagine using, and has no other particular
limits.  It can do (shudder) blind and buried vias, which I've never
used.  I'm assembling an 8x12" board with 307 parts on the back and
407 parts on the front, I think.  I am using everything from SOW-20 to
some chip-scale parts on it, and it handled them all quite well.  It
also can create solder stencils, pick and place files and test files.

I bought an old version of Protel for Windows from a guy in the
Netherlands and then upgraded to the current version through Altium.
Unfortunately, they don't support Protel 99 anymore, and the new
Altium Designer package is insanely expensive, with very little
improvement for the work I do.

Jon

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "logicresearch"
<logicresearch@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Marko Pavlin <mp@> wrote:
> >
> > I am using it everyday.
> 
> So no seriously bad points? - It does a good job?
> 
> I'm looking for a good PCB package and so far this and EASY-PC are 
> the front runners.
> When I get some time I will try the on-line trial but these things 
> dont come cheap.
Ummm, yes, I believe about US $10,000, unless you get a special discount.

Jon

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:30:00 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm new to this group, so forgive me if this has already been 
>discussed to death. I am mostly interested in very small robots, so I 
>want to make small (less than 2x2 inches), relatively thin boards. 
>Has anyone successfully used one of these dedicated cd or dvd label 
>printers, or a photo printer that also allows cd printing for direct 
>transfer? I am aware of the ink issues, etc, though I have not fully 
>researched this, yet. Thanks for any leads.
>

Afaik, yes.

The issues are the type of printer, that it must be able to deal with
a CD, and that the ink is relatively critical.  Some people preheat
the board, and some need to be able to heat the board afterwards to
cure the ink.

Not sure how anybody has solved the registration problem, if at all.

Harvey

>Mark

I was thinking of using small registration pins for both the carrier 
and the boards - have to experiment a bit. Perhaps preheat the board 
some, but I'm a little nervous about heating it to 200C while it's 
being printed.

Mark

Hello,

If you want to see all professional PCB fabrication steps, go to:
http://saturnelectronics.com/tour.htm#.htm
And take - video tour - 

Patrick

I've just been quoted $9595 for standalone plus 20% for floating 
(????).

I haven't yet tried gEDA/PCB - I'll google it and see what comes back.

Altium sounds very good, seems a whole lot more powerful than 
anything I have ever used.

Thanks for the great feedback everybody.

Daryl.


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Elson" <elson@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "logicresearch"
> <logicresearch@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Marko Pavlin <mp@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am using it everyday.
> > 
> > So no seriously bad points? - It does a good job?
> > 
> > I'm looking for a good PCB package and so far this and EASY-PC 
are 
> > the front runners.
> > When I get some time I will try the on-line trial but these 
things 
> > dont come cheap.
> Ummm, yes, I believe about US $10,000, unless you get a special 
discount.

> 
> Jon
>

$10 grand? good lord, glad i got mine free

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: logicresearch 
  To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:05 PM
  Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Altium


  I've just been quoted $9595 for standalone plus 20% for floating 
  (????).

  I haven't yet tried gEDA/PCB - I'll google it and see what comes back.

  Altium sounds very good, seems a whole lot more powerful than 
  anything I have ever used.

  Thanks for the great feedback everybody.

  Daryl.

  --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Elson" <elson@...> wrote:
  >
  > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "logicresearch"
  > <logicresearch@> wrote:
  > >
  > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Marko Pavlin <mp@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > I am using it everyday.
  > > 
  > > So no seriously bad points? - It does a good job?
  > > 
  > > I'm looking for a good PCB package and so far this and EASY-PC 
  are 
  > > the front runners.
  > > When I get some time I will try the on-line trial but these 
  things 
  > > dont come cheap.
  > Ummm, yes, I believe about US $10,000, unless you get a special 
  discount.
  > 
  > Jon
  >



   

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Hi all.
Right now, I am using some ideas I  found on the internet, to 
modify a Epson C84 printer. They have suggested pigmented inks , 
which work in the printeer(company says.) and after the printing. you 
heat the ink to 466' for 3 mins to cure it. They say it is then 
perfectly etch resistant.

I am doing very small board also. Nothing greater 2-3.

Hope that helps.
Rob.
 

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:30:00 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >I'm new to this group, so forgive me if this has already been 
> >discussed to death. I am mostly interested in very small robots, 
so I 
> >want to make small (less than 2x2 inches), relatively thin boards. 
> >Has anyone successfully used one of these dedicated cd or dvd 
label 
> >printers, or a photo printer that also allows cd printing for 
direct 
> >transfer? I am aware of the ink issues, etc, though I have not 
fully 
> >researched this, yet. Thanks for any leads.
> >
> 
> Afaik, yes.
> 
> The issues are the type of printer, that it must be able to deal 
with

> a CD, and that the ink is relatively critical.  Some people preheat
> the board, and some need to be able to heat the board afterwards to
> cure the ink.
> 
> Not sure how anybody has solved the registration problem, if at all.
> 
> Harvey
> 
> >Mark
>

I just boughty an Epson Picturemate PM200 on Ebay for $31 including shipping. It's very high resolution with piezo print heads that prints 4x6 photos. I'm going to modify it for pcbs. If it looks reasonably feasable, I'll buy a few more for experimentation, possibly with a small board heater built in. I'll post the results. Let me know how your C84 goes - Mark

-----Original Message-----

>From: r_twiddy <r_twiddy@...>
>Sent: Feb 26, 2008 1:34 PM
>To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: dvd printer
>
>Hi all.
>Right now, I am using some ideas I  found on the internet, to 
>modify a Epson C84 printer. They have suggested pigmented inks , 
>which work in the printeer(company says.) and after the printing. you 
>heat the ink to 466' for 3 mins to cure it. They say it is then 
>perfectly etch resistant.
>
>I am doing very small board also. Nothing greater 2-3.
>
>Hope that helps.
>Rob.
> 
>
>--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:30:00 -0500, you wrote:
>> 
>> >I'm new to this group, so forgive me if this has already been 
>> >discussed to death. I am mostly interested in very small robots, 
>so I 
>> >want to make small (less than 2x2 inches), relatively thin boards. 
>> >Has anyone successfully used one of these dedicated cd or dvd 
>label 
>> >printers, or a photo printer that also allows cd printing for 
>direct 
>> >transfer? I am aware of the ink issues, etc, though I have not 
>fully 
>> >researched this, yet. Thanks for any leads.
>> >
>> 
>> Afaik, yes.
>> 
>> The issues are the type of printer, that it must be able to deal 
>with
>> a CD, and that the ink is relatively critical.  Some people preheat
>> the board, and some need to be able to heat the board afterwards to
>> cure the ink.
>> 
>> Not sure how anybody has solved the registration problem, if at all.
>> 
>> Harvey
>> 
>> >Mark
>>
>
>
>
>
>Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs 
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Is the PM200 a flat bed type printer. Could not tell from the pics on 
ebay.

RD

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, mlerman@... wrote:
>
> I just boughty an Epson Picturemate PM200 on Ebay for $31 including 
shipping. It's very high resolution with piezo print heads that 
prints 4x6 photos. I'm going to modify it for pcbs. If it looks 
reasonably feasable, I'll buy a few more for experimentation, 
possibly with a small board heater built in. I'll post the results. 
Let me know how your C84 goes - Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: r_twiddy <r_twiddy@...>
> >Sent: Feb 26, 2008 1:34 PM
> >To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: dvd printer
> >
> >Hi all.
> >Right now, I am using some ideas I  found on the internet, to 
> >modify a Epson C84 printer. They have suggested pigmented inks , 
> >which work in the printeer(company says.) and after the printing. 
you 
> >heat the ink to 466' for 3 mins to cure it. They say it is then 
> >perfectly etch resistant.
> >
> >I am doing very small board also. Nothing greater 2-3.
> >
> >Hope that helps.
> >Rob.
> > 
> >
> >--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Harvey White <madyn@> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:30:00 -0500, you wrote:
> >> 
> >> >I'm new to this group, so forgive me if this has already been 
> >> >discussed to death. I am mostly interested in very small 
robots, 
> >so I 
> >> >want to make small (less than 2x2 inches), relatively thin 
boards. 
> >> >Has anyone successfully used one of these dedicated cd or dvd 
> >label 
> >> >printers, or a photo printer that also allows cd printing for 
> >direct 
> >> >transfer? I am aware of the ink issues, etc, though I have not 
> >fully 
> >> >researched this, yet. Thanks for any leads.
> >> >
> >> 
> >> Afaik, yes.
> >> 
> >> The issues are the type of printer, that it must be able to deal 
> >with
> >> a CD, and that the ink is relatively critical.  Some people 
preheat
> >> the board, and some need to be able to heat the board afterwards 
to
> >> cure the ink.
> >> 
> >> Not sure how anybody has solved the registration problem, if at 
all.
> >> 
> >> Harvey
> >> 
> >> >Mark
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, 
and Photos:

> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

I don't think so - the paper appears to come out the top. I'm hoping 
its small size will allow easy modification. In any case, it's cheap 
since that model is obsolete. Since I mostly do very small boards, 
2x2 inch max, on thin material, I hope to be able to heat the board 
during printing.

Mark

At 06:48 PM 2/27/2008, you wrote:

>Is the PM200 a flat bed type printer. Could not tell from the pics on
>ebay.
>
>RD
>
>--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, mlerman@... wrote:
> >
> > I just boughty an Epson Picturemate PM200 on Ebay for $31 including
>shipping. It's very high resolution with piezo print heads that
>prints 4x6 photos. I'm going to modify it for pcbs. If it looks
>reasonably feasable, I'll buy a few more for experimentation,
>possibly with a small board heater built in. I'll post the results.
>Let me know how your C84 goes - Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: r_twiddy <r_twiddy@...>
> > >Sent: Feb 26, 2008 1:34 PM
> > >To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: dvd printer
> > >
> > >Hi all.
> > >Right now, I am using some ideas I  found on the internet, to
> > >modify a Epson C84 printer. They have suggested pigmented inks ,
> > >which work in the printeer(company says.) and after the printing.
>you
> > >heat the ink to 466' for 3 mins to cure it. They say it is then
> > >perfectly etch resistant.
> > >
> > >I am doing very small board also. Nothing greater 2-3.
> > >
> > >Hope that helps.
> > >Rob.
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Harvey White <madyn@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:30:00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >I'm new to this group, so forgive me if this has already been
> > >> >discussed to death. I am mostly interested in very small
>robots,
> > >so I
> > >> >want to make small (less than 2x2 inches), relatively thin
>boards.
> > >> >Has anyone successfully used one of these dedicated cd or dvd
> > >label
> > >> >printers, or a photo printer that also allows cd printing for
> > >direct
> > >> >transfer? I am aware of the ink issues, etc, though I have not
> > >fully
> > >> >researched this, yet. Thanks for any leads.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Afaik, yes.
> > >>
> > >> The issues are the type of printer, that it must be able to deal
> > >with
> > >> a CD, and that the ink is relatively critical.  Some people
>preheat
> > >> the board, and some need to be able to heat the board afterwards
>to
> > >> cure the ink.
> > >>
> > >> Not sure how anybody has solved the registration problem, if at
>all.
> > >>
> > >> Harvey
> > >>
> > >> >Mark
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files,
>and Photos:
> > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>Be sure to visit the group home and check for new Links, Files, and Photos:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Lucky you - I have a copy of Altium 6.8.0.11816 already installed, I 
can get that for free, guess I just need the $10794.40 for the code 
to unlock it.


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J Wallace" 
<mwallace9@...> wrote:
>
> $10 grand? good lord, glad i got mine free
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: logicresearch 
>   To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:05 PM
>   Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Altium
> 
> 
>   I've just been quoted $9595 for standalone plus 20% for floating 
>   (????).
> 
>   I haven't yet tried gEDA/PCB - I'll google it and see what comes 
back.
> 
>   Altium sounds very good, seems a whole lot more powerful than 
>   anything I have ever used.
> 
>   Thanks for the great feedback everybody.
> 
>   Daryl.
> 
>   --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Elson" <elson@> wrote:
>   >
>   > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "logicresearch"
>   > <logicresearch@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Marko Pavlin <mp@> 
wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > I am using it everyday.
>   > > 
>   > > So no seriously bad points? - It does a good job?
>   > > 
>   > > I'm looking for a good PCB package and so far this and EASY-
PC 
>   are 
>   > > the front runners.
>   > > When I get some time I will try the on-line trial but these 
>   things 
>   > > dont come cheap.
>   > Ummm, yes, I believe about US $10,000, unless you get a special 
>   discount.
>   > 
>   > Jon
>   >
> 
> 
> 
>    
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Posting reg keys is grounds for banning.

Steve Greenfield

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J Wallace"
<mwallace9@...> wrote:

>
> BAUAAJBG52If

> in the .alf file
>

Michael - can I email you outside yahoo somehow?

Daryl.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J Wallace" 
<mwallace9@...> wrote:
>
> $10 grand? good lord, glad i got mine free
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: logicresearch 
>   To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:05 PM
>   Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Altium
> 
> 
>   I've just been quoted $9595 for standalone plus 20% for floating 
>   (????).
> 
>   I haven't yet tried gEDA/PCB - I'll google it and see what comes 
back.
> 
>   Altium sounds very good, seems a whole lot more powerful than 
>   anything I have ever used.
> 
>   Thanks for the great feedback everybody.
> 
>   Daryl.
> 
>   --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Elson" <elson@> wrote:
>   >
>   > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "logicresearch"
>   > <logicresearch@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Marko Pavlin <mp@> 
wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > I am using it everyday.
>   > > 
>   > > So no seriously bad points? - It does a good job?
>   > > 
>   > > I'm looking for a good PCB package and so far this and EASY-
PC 
>   are 
>   > > the front runners.
>   > > When I get some time I will try the on-line trial but these 
>   things 
>   > > dont come cheap.
>   > Ummm, yes, I believe about US $10,000, unless you get a special 
>   discount.
>   > 
>   > Jon
>   >
> 
> 
> 
>    
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I've banned him for posting a product activation key. I'll not have
this group destroyed.

Draw your own conclusions as to how he got it for free.

Steve Greenfield

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "logicresearch"
<logicresearch@...> wrote:

>
> 
> Michael - can I email you outside yahoo somehow?
> 
> Daryl.
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Michael J Wallace" 
> <mwallace9@> wrote:
> >
> > $10 grand? good lord, glad i got mine free
> >

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <alienrelics@...> wrote:
>
> I've banned him for posting a product activation key. I'll not have
> this group destroyed.
> 

Not seeing a way to directly contact the moderator I'll simply suggest
the following:

It is true that Yahoogroups can delete a group IF someone complains
about content AND it meets their TOS criteria. As far as I can tell
they have distance themselves from policing and liability by
consulting their attornies.

It is true that any moderator can delete members for any reason. Heck
I can be thrown out of this group for posting this message if the
moderator so chooses.

Heck, some moderators INSIST on approving all messages before the get
posted. I guess it keeps out SPAM and "illegal" activities but in
large groups it is a real burden (and time killer for the moderator).

But I will point out that Yahoo pretty well covers their rears in
their terms of service gobbledy-gook as to unlawful practices. They do
not insist that moderators have to be the police.

If nothing more moderators should probably "spell out" what
specifically can get a member banned. That way they are covered IF
they choose to ban a member. 

As a moderator of other groups I haven't had folks posting codes and I
don't have strict cans and can'ts posted. Quite honestly I was rather
amazed that someone would post a code the way they did but hey a quick
glance at the 24/7 news amazes me even more as to what people do.

My guess is that the "banned" user if he is smart enough to get
"codes" is smart enough to get back into the group should he or she
really want to. And the moderator might be hard-pressed to keep that
person out unless the person does it again (and again and again and
again).

The furor over the product got me to go to the web site of the
product. Whoa! when I start dreaming up something that requires this
kind of horsepower I'll either be working for a company that can
afford that kind of investment OR (better yet) own the bloody company
and be able to write-off my own personal copy! 

OK enough bandwidth. I'll crawl back into my hole. After all I joined
this group to learn how to better make a few "simple" boards for my
model railroad and not injure myself doing it or spend the food budget
when I can do it cheaper.

Gordon Andrews

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <alienrelics@...> wrote:
>
> I've banned him for posting a product activation key. I'll not have
> this group destroyed.

Steve,

Please let me say that I, for one, applaud your move.  I won't go on
and on, but it was the right thing to do, for any number of reasons.

Regards,

Terry

If you reply from within the group, when you hit "reply" you have the
option to change where it goes: the group, the poster, or the
moderator address. Or just email to homebrew_pcbs-owner@yahoogroups.com

That works for any group, just add "-owner" before the @.

Anyway... I can't and shouldn't have to cover everything that might
possibly go wrong. I think it should be clear that illegal activities
will get you banned.

Ick! I hate moderated groups. It usually kills conversation because
the mods get tired and take longer and longer to approve messages.

I don't get excited about a hiccup now and then. Have you noticed how
many members we have, and how many regularly post? This is a
vanishingly small percentage.

It takes a lot to get me to ban someone. Mostly only the troublemakers
call me names. ;')

Steve Greenfield

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "SRY" <southernry_n@...> wrote:

>
> 
> Not seeing a way to directly contact the moderator I'll simply suggest
> the following:
> 
> It is true that Yahoogroups can delete a group IF someone complains
> about content AND it meets their TOS criteria. As far as I can tell
> they have distance themselves from policing and liability by
> consulting their attornies.
> 
> It is true that any moderator can delete members for any reason. Heck
> I can be thrown out of this group for posting this message if the
> moderator so chooses.
> 
> Heck, some moderators INSIST on approving all messages before the get
> posted. I guess it keeps out SPAM and "illegal" activities but in
> large groups it is a real burden (and time killer for the moderator).
> 
> But I will point out that Yahoo pretty well covers their rears in
> their terms of service gobbledy-gook as to unlawful practices. They do
> not insist that moderators have to be the police.
> 
> If nothing more moderators should probably "spell out" what
> specifically can get a member banned. That way they are covered IF
> they choose to ban a member. 
> 
> As a moderator of other groups I haven't had folks posting codes and I
> don't have strict cans and can'ts posted. Quite honestly I was rather
> amazed that someone would post a code the way they did but hey a quick
> glance at the 24/7 news amazes me even more as to what people do.
> 
> My guess is that the "banned" user if he is smart enough to get
> "codes" is smart enough to get back into the group should he or she
> really want to. And the moderator might be hard-pressed to keep that
> person out unless the person does it again (and again and again and
> again).
> 
> The furor over the product got me to go to the web site of the
> product. Whoa! when I start dreaming up something that requires this
> kind of horsepower I'll either be working for a company that can
> afford that kind of investment OR (better yet) own the bloody company
> and be able to write-off my own personal copy! 
> 
> OK enough bandwidth. I'll crawl back into my hole. After all I joined
> this group to learn how to better make a few "simple" boards for my
> model railroad and not injure myself doing it or spend the food budget
> when I can do it cheaper.
> 
> Gordon Andrews
>

Then again, if you look  on the internet, there aremillions of freee 
copies ....


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "furry_t_bear" 
<furry_t_bear@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <alienrelics@> wrote:
> >
> > I've banned him for posting a product activation key. I'll not 
have

> > this group destroyed.
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Please let me say that I, for one, applaud your move.  I won't go on
> and on, but it was the right thing to do, for any number of reasons.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Terry
>

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, logicresearch wrote:

> Then again, if you look  on the internet, there aremillions of freee
> copies ....

Complete with a free trojan that turns your PC into a spam or DDOS zombie.

If people want free EDA software, gEDA and PCB is fully functional and
it's legal to download and freely redistribute. I've found it more than
adequate for my needs.