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filtering / thp chemical

2008-05-28 by scx31114

Hello, the smallparts source is great, 6.3$ the part.
For me, the problem getting to a pcb frabicant is a litt  le problem
for distances. I think, that i buy a starter package from MegaUK
or from Bungard. I don�t know, if the chemical is allowed to be
shipped over air. If there is interest, i can divide the chemical
in 6 or 7 parts in order that don�t everyone needs to buy a starter
kit. The price is 850 Euro div 6 (7)+ shipping.
Similar thing can be made for solder/photo mask.
As info, i plan to use PP boxes inside a larger heated water (???)
tray. This water is circulated using a pump. The tray laying 
above a central rod, that makes all the liquid instable, and a
rc servo drives the tray in order to oscillate over the rod.
All this makes the heating and moving very cheap. This system
works only for infrequent usage where the chemicals after using it
are reposted inside it�s bottles.

For the thp station, i currently missing one information, probably
patric know it�s. Using nuggets, that goes down in the liquid,
how the electrical connection is made. I heared professional
manufacture uses titanum hulls, but there exist others, that don�t 
use it. Can you explain it please ?

Regards
chris

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] filtering / thp chemical

2008-05-28 by Markus Zingg

Chris,

For a small station, using massive anodes is much easier than the nugget 
aproach.

I use copper anodes which are 100 x 80 x 8 mm in size. I made a thread 
into one of the sides and use another copper rod (also with a thread) 
that goes into the anodes. I then moved a pvc tube over the rod and 
sealed it on the bottom towards the anodes with PVC glue to avoid the 
rod being used up by the plating process. You then can easily attach 
wires to the top of the rod.

Be aware that at least Bungards starter kit is not evenly divideable. 
That said some containers contain proportionally more of a given bath 
(i.e. the predip) than others. So your calculation to divide it by 7 
might be too optimistic. Can't comment on the one from MegaUK. Back when 
I started, I also did so with Bugnard.

Putting the chemistry back into bottles is a good idea anyways. I also 
do it this way for several reasons. It allows you to firmly keep it air 
sealed, and also to place it in a dark and cool place all of which helps 
to keep the chemistry alive over longer periodes.

HTH

Markus

scx31114 schrieb:
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>
> Hello, the smallparts source is great, 6.3$ the part.
> For me, the problem getting to a pcb frabicant is a litt le problem
> for distances. I think, that i buy a starter package from MegaUK
> or from Bungard. I don\ufffdt know, if the chemical is allowed to be
> shipped over air. If there is interest, i can divide the chemical
> in 6 or 7 parts in order that don\ufffdt everyone needs to buy a starter
> kit. The price is 850 Euro div 6 (7)+ shipping.
> Similar thing can be made for solder/photo mask.
> As info, i plan to use PP boxes inside a larger heated water (???)
> tray. This water is circulated using a pump. The tray laying
> above a central rod, that makes all the liquid instable, and a
> rc servo drives the tray in order to oscillate over the rod.
> All this makes the heating and moving very cheap. This system
> works only for infrequent usage where the chemicals after using it
> are reposted inside it\ufffds bottles.
>
> For the thp station, i currently missing one information, probably
> patric know it\ufffds. Using nuggets, that goes down in the liquid,
> how the electrical connection is made. I heared professional
> manufacture uses titanum hulls, but there exist others, that don\ufffdt
> use it. Can you explain it please ?
>
> Regards
> chris
>
>

Re: filtering / thp chemical

2008-05-28 by scx31114

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Markus Zingg <homebrew-pcb@...> 
wrote:
>
> Chris,
> 
> For a small station, using massive anodes is much easier than the 
nugget 
> aproach.

This is correct, but i want know it for the reason i have emailed
your privatly. 

> 
> I use copper anodes which are 100 x 80 x 8 mm in size. I made a 
thread 
> into one of the sides and use another copper rod (also with a 
thread) 
> that goes into the anodes. I then moved a pvc tube over the rod and 
> sealed it on the bottom towards the anodes with PVC glue to avoid 
the 
> rod being used up by the plating process. You then can easily 
attach 
> wires to the top of the rod.
> 
> Be aware that at least Bungards starter kit is not evenly 
divideable. 
> That said some containers contain proportionally more of a given 
bath 
> (i.e. the predip) than others. So your calculation to divide it by 
7 
> might be too optimistic. Can't comment on the one from MegaUK. Back 
when 
> I started, I also did so with Bugnard.
>
My calculation are 6, eventually 7, calculated with a requirement of 
2 lt for the container ( double eurocard setup). The chemistry from
MegaUK and from Bungard are the same coming from Sweden.
I have checked the prices on MegaUK and it´s costs over two times
more than that of Bungard. And yes, the starter kit contains
additional chemistry for integrating the chemicals after some
processing. It´s a starter kit and not just the first setup quantity.
There exist a integrator chemistry kit for regenerating the 
chemistri after some usage, and this is a lot cheaper then the 
required initial starter kit. Neverless the starter kits as ben said
contains such additional replishments chemistry. 
 
> Putting the chemistry back into bottles is a good idea anyways. I 
also 
> do it this way for several reasons. It allows you to firmly keep it 
air 
> sealed, and also to place it in a dark and cool place all of which 
helps 
> to keep the chemistry alive over longer periodes.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Markus
> 
> scx31114 schrieb:
> >
> > Hello, the smallparts source is great, 6.3$ the part.
> > For me, the problem getting to a pcb frabicant is a litt le 
problem
> > for distances. I think, that i buy a starter package from MegaUK
> > or from Bungard. I don´t know, if the chemical is allowed to be
> > shipped over air. If there is interest, i can divide the chemical
> > in 6 or 7 parts in order that don´t everyone needs to buy a 
starter
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > kit. The price is 850 Euro div 6 (7)+ shipping.
> > Similar thing can be made for solder/photo mask.
> > As info, i plan to use PP boxes inside a larger heated water (???)
> > tray. This water is circulated using a pump. The tray laying
> > above a central rod, that makes all the liquid instable, and a
> > rc servo drives the tray in order to oscillate over the rod.
> > All this makes the heating and moving very cheap. This system
> > works only for infrequent usage where the chemicals after using it
> > are reposted inside it´s bottles.
> >
> > For the thp station, i currently missing one information, probably
> > patric know it´s. Using nuggets, that goes down in the liquid,
> > how the electrical connection is made. I heared professional
> > manufacture uses titanum hulls, but there exist others, that don´t
> > use it. Can you explain it please ?
> >
> > Regards
> > chris
> >
> >
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: filtering / thp chemical

2008-05-28 by Markus Zingg

Chris,

I must have missed the mail, please resend.

Markus

scx31114 schrieb:
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>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com>, Markus Zingg <homebrew-pcb@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > For a small station, using massive anodes is much easier than the
> nugget
> > aproach.
>
> This is correct, but i want know it for the reason i have emailed
> your privatly.
>
> >
> > I use copper anodes which are 100 x 80 x 8 mm in size. I made a
> thread
> > into one of the sides and use another copper rod (also with a
> thread)
> > that goes into the anodes. I then moved a pvc tube over the rod and
> > sealed it on the bottom towards the anodes with PVC glue to avoid
> the
> > rod being used up by the plating process. You then can easily
> attach
> > wires to the top of the rod.
> >
> > Be aware that at least Bungards starter kit is not evenly
> divideable.
> > That said some containers contain proportionally more of a given
> bath
> > (i.e. the predip) than others. So your calculation to divide it by
> 7
> > might be too optimistic. Can't comment on the one from MegaUK. Back
> when
> > I started, I also did so with Bugnard.
> >
> My calculation are 6, eventually 7, calculated with a requirement of
> 2 lt for the container ( double eurocard setup). The chemistry from
> MegaUK and from Bungard are the same coming from Sweden.
> I have checked the prices on MegaUK and it\ufffds costs over two times
> more than that of Bungard. And yes, the starter kit contains
> additional chemistry for integrating the chemicals after some
> processing. It\ufffds a starter kit and not just the first setup quantity.
> There exist a integrator chemistry kit for regenerating the
> chemistri after some usage, and this is a lot cheaper then the
> required initial starter kit. Neverless the starter kits as ben said
> contains such additional replishments chemistry.
>
> > Putting the chemistry back into bottles is a good idea anyways. I
> also
> > do it this way for several reasons. It allows you to firmly keep it
> air
> > sealed, and also to place it in a dark and cool place all of which
> helps
> > to keep the chemistry alive over longer periodes.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Markus
> >
> > scx31114 schrieb:
> > >
> > > Hello, the smallparts source is great, 6.3$ the part.
> > > For me, the problem getting to a pcb frabicant is a litt le
> problem
> > > for distances. I think, that i buy a starter package from MegaUK
> > > or from Bungard. I don\ufffdt know, if the chemical is allowed to be
> > > shipped over air. If there is interest, i can divide the chemical
> > > in 6 or 7 parts in order that don\ufffdt everyone needs to buy a
> starter
> > > kit. The price is 850 Euro div 6 (7)+ shipping.
> > > Similar thing can be made for solder/photo mask.
> > > As info, i plan to use PP boxes inside a larger heated water (???)
> > > tray. This water is circulated using a pump. The tray laying
> > > above a central rod, that makes all the liquid instable, and a
> > > rc servo drives the tray in order to oscillate over the rod.
> > > All this makes the heating and moving very cheap. This system
> > > works only for infrequent usage where the chemicals after using it
> > > are reposted inside it\ufffds bottles.
> > >
> > > For the thp station, i currently missing one information, probably
> > > patric know it\ufffds. Using nuggets, that goes down in the liquid,
> > > how the electrical connection is made. I heared professional
> > > manufacture uses titanum hulls, but there exist others, that don\ufffdt
> > > use it. Can you explain it please ?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > chris
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

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