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Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-22 by hal91k

Hi Guys,

Looking through my closet, I found a bottle of Liquid Tin from when I used to print PCB's. I thought I sold everything, but I seem to have forgotten about this. If you guys don't know what Liquid Tin is, it's a product used to give a nice, shinny, silvery (well tin actually) surface to the copper traces on the PCB. It reduces corrosion and makes your boards look a lot better. I thought it did a decent job.

For more info:
http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/421.html

Anyway, I barely used any and the bottle is still close to full. I'm giving it away to whoever wants it, provided you pay shipping for it (probably $2 to $4 max). Email me at chemistrypaul@yahoo.com. Here is a picture of the bottle.

http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0774m.jpg&via=yfrog


Cheers,
Paul

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-22 by Dan Ellis

Paul,

If no one has claimed the Liquid Tin, I would love to have it
I would be more than happy to pay the postage, those of us
that are unemployed are always looking for a bargin LOL

Thanks
Dan Ellis
500 Hilltop Dr.
Apt 153
Redding, CA 96003

Do you accept paypal ? or I can send you the cash

Regards
Dan Ellis

hal91k wrote:
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>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Looking through my closet, I found a bottle of Liquid Tin from when I 
> used to print PCB's. I thought I sold everything, but I seem to have 
> forgotten about this. If you guys don't know what Liquid Tin is, it's 
> a product used to give a nice, shinny, silvery (well tin actually) 
> surface to the copper traces on the PCB. It reduces corrosion and 
> makes your boards look a lot better. I thought it did a decent job.
>
> For more info:
> http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/421.html 
> <http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/421.html>
>
> Anyway, I barely used any and the bottle is still close to full. I'm 
> giving it away to whoever wants it, provided you pay shipping for it 
> (probably $2 to $4 max). Email me at chemistrypaul@... 
> <mailto:chemistrypaul%40yahoo.com>. Here is a picture of the bottle.
>
> http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0774m.jpg&via=yfrog 
> <http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0774m.jpg&via=yfrog>
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-22 by Paul Playford

You ship, I pay.

Paul Playford, W8AEF
35639 N 3rd St
Phoenix, AZ  85086-7405

de Paul, W8AEF

ZF2JI/ZF2TA  FO8DX/FO8PLA  8Q7AA  XZ0A  VU7RG  TX5C



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From: "hal91k" <chemistrypaul@...>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:01 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Free bottle of Liquid Tin


> Hi Guys,
>
> Looking through my closet, I found a bottle of Liquid Tin from when I used 
> to print PCB's. I thought I sold everything, but I seem to have forgotten 
> about this. If you guys don't know what Liquid Tin is, it's a product used 
> to give a nice, shinny, silvery (well tin actually) surface to the copper 
> traces on the PCB. It reduces corrosion and makes your boards look a lot 
> better. I thought it did a decent job.
>
> For more info:
> http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/421.html
>
> Anyway, I barely used any and the bottle is still close to full. I'm 
> giving it away to whoever wants it, provided you pay shipping for it 
> (probably $2 to $4 max). Email me at chemistrypaul@.... Here is a 
> picture of the bottle.
>
> http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0774m.jpg&via=yfrog
>
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-22 by Scott C.

It's just as easy to tin a PCB with solder and a knife soldering tip - http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j230/sparky3489/Project/100_3289.jpg

--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Paul Playford <paul@...> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Free bottle of Liquid Tin
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 11:24 PM








You ship, I pay.

Paul Playford, W8AEF
35639 N 3rd St
Phoenix, AZ 85086-7405

de Paul, W8AEF

ZF2JI/ZF2TA FO8DX/FO8PLA 8Q7AA XZ0A VU7RG TX5C

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hal91k" <chemistrypaul@ yahoo.com>
To: <Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:01 PM
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Free bottle of Liquid Tin

> Hi Guys,
>
> Looking through my closet, I found a bottle of Liquid Tin from when I used 
> to print PCB's. I thought I sold everything, but I seem to have forgotten 
> about this. If you guys don't know what Liquid Tin is, it's a product used 
> to give a nice, shinny, silvery (well tin actually) surface to the copper 
> traces on the PCB. It reduces corrosion and makes your boards look a lot 
> better. I thought it did a decent job.
>
> For more info:
> http://www.mgchemic als.com/products /421.html
>
> Anyway, I barely used any and the bottle is still close to full. I'm 
> giving it away to whoever wants it, provided you pay shipping for it 
> (probably $2 to $4 max). Email me at chemistrypaul@ yahoo.com. Here is a 
> picture of the bottle.
>
> http://img11. imageshack. us/my.php? image=img0774m. jpg&via=yfrog
>
>
> Cheers,
> Paul
> 
















      

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Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-22 by hal91k

Well, true. But I believe you get a thinner, more consistent finish with this stuff. Here's a photo of the board I did.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2299/pcb006.jpg


--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Scott C." <sparky3489@...> wrote:
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> It's just as easy to tin a PCB with solder and a knife soldering tip - http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j230/sparky3489/Project/100_3289.jpg
> 
> --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Paul Playford <paul@...> wrote:
> 
> From: Paul Playford <paul@...>
> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Free bottle of Liquid Tin
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 11:24 PM
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> You ship, I pay.
> 
> Paul Playford, W8AEF
> 35639 N 3rd St
> Phoenix, AZ 85086-7405
> 
> de Paul, W8AEF
> 
> ZF2JI/ZF2TA FO8DX/FO8PLA 8Q7AA XZ0A VU7RG TX5C
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "hal91k" <chemistrypaul@ yahoo.com>
> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:01 PM
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Free bottle of Liquid Tin
> 
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Looking through my closet, I found a bottle of Liquid Tin from when I used 
> > to print PCB's. I thought I sold everything, but I seem to have forgotten 
> > about this. If you guys don't know what Liquid Tin is, it's a product used 
> > to give a nice, shinny, silvery (well tin actually) surface to the copper 
> > traces on the PCB. It reduces corrosion and makes your boards look a lot 
> > better. I thought it did a decent job.
> >
> > For more info:
> > http://www.mgchemic als.com/products /421.html
> >
> > Anyway, I barely used any and the bottle is still close to full. I'm 
> > giving it away to whoever wants it, provided you pay shipping for it 
> > (probably $2 to $4 max). Email me at chemistrypaul@ yahoo.com. Here is a 
> > picture of the bottle.
> >
> > http://img11. imageshack. us/my.php? image=img0774m. jpg&via=yfrog
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Paul
> > 
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Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-22 by hal91k

All right, you got it. I'll be mailing it off later today.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Playford" <paul@...> wrote:
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>
> You ship, I pay.
> 
> Paul Playford, W8AEF
> 35639 N 3rd St
> Phoenix, AZ  85086-7405
> 
> de Paul, W8AEF
> 
> ZF2JI/ZF2TA  FO8DX/FO8PLA  8Q7AA  XZ0A  VU7RG  TX5C
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "hal91k" <chemistrypaul@...>
> To: <Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:01 PM
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Free bottle of Liquid Tin
> 
> 
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Looking through my closet, I found a bottle of Liquid Tin from when I used 
> > to print PCB's. I thought I sold everything, but I seem to have forgotten 
> > about this. If you guys don't know what Liquid Tin is, it's a product used 
> > to give a nice, shinny, silvery (well tin actually) surface to the copper 
> > traces on the PCB. It reduces corrosion and makes your boards look a lot 
> > better. I thought it did a decent job.
> >
> > For more info:
> > http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/421.html
> >
> > Anyway, I barely used any and the bottle is still close to full. I'm 
> > giving it away to whoever wants it, provided you pay shipping for it 
> > (probably $2 to $4 max). Email me at chemistrypaul@... Here is a 
> > picture of the bottle.
> >
> > http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0774m.jpg&via=yfrog
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Paul
> >
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-22 by DJ Delorie

"Scott C." <sparky3489@...> writes:

> It's just as easy to tin a PCB with solder and a knife soldering tip

Having done both, and working with 0.5mm pitch TQFPs, I disagree.
Liquid Tin is a lot faster and gives a much flatter surface to solder
to.  You can also TT silkscreen over Liquid Tin.

http://www.delorie.com/pcb/liquidtin/

Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-23 by Dave

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "hal91k" <chemistrypaul@...> wrote:
>
> Well, true. But I believe you get a thinner, more consistent finish with this stuff. Here's a photo of the board I did.
> 
> http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2299/pcb006.jpg
> 

You definitely get a better plating by using a electroless Tin 
plating.  Using solder and an iron produces a bit of waviness or 
bumpy surface (not to mention the flux which needs to be scrubbed
off).  The elctroless Tin plating results in a very smooth layer.

I used to have the recipe for a wonderful electroless Tin plating 
solution based on Stannous Chloride, Sodium Chloride, and Sodium
Cyanide.  Now that I'm older and wiser (and still alive), I no longer
use that particular material.

Dave

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-23 by Stefan Trethan

The commercial liquid tin is little better, care is recommended.

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Dave <wa4qal@...> wrote:

> You definitely get a better plating by using a electroless Tin
> plating.  Using solder and an iron produces a bit of waviness or
> bumpy surface (not to mention the flux which needs to be scrubbed
> off).  The elctroless Tin plating results in a very smooth layer.
>
> I used to have the recipe for a wonderful electroless Tin plating
> solution based on Stannous Chloride, Sodium Chloride, and Sodium
> Cyanide.  Now that I'm older and wiser (and still alive), I no longer
> use that particular material.
>
> Dave
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-23 by Mike Oyama

I've been thinking about picking up an electroless plating kit from caswell.
The electroless nickel kits are 30% off till the end of the month, making
the mini kit around $50.

I know the pros use electroless nickel followed up by a gold immersion
process. Will my boards work if I don't add gold plate to the nickel? Will
nickel work as good as tin?

>
> > You definitely get a better plating by using a electroless Tin
> > plating.  Using solder and an iron produces a bit of waviness or
> > bumpy surface (not to mention the flux which needs to be scrubbed
> > off).  The elctroless Tin plating results in a very smooth layer.
> >
> > I used to have the recipe for a wonderful electroless Tin plating
> > solution based on Stannous Chloride, Sodium Chloride, and Sodium
> > Cyanide.  Now that I'm older and wiser (and still alive), I no longer
> > use that particular material.
> >
> > Dave
> >
>  
>


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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-23 by Volkan Sahin

Hi Mike,
I used their  electroless nickel kit. It works fine only problem is you need to touch every trace with a steel rod to start the reaction. Plating thickness is really good and it is better than electroplating very uniform and shiny because of that it is much better than immersion tin plating.
My application was THP, after activating holes with conductive ink I used electroless ink to plate the holes.  Soldering is not so difficult. 
Cheers,
Volkan


--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Mike Oyama <mikesb0x0fm4il2@...> wrote:
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From: Mike Oyama <mikesb0x0fm4il2@...>
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 11:23 AM











    
            
            


      
      I've been thinking about picking up an electroless plating kit from caswell.

The electroless nickel kits are 30% off till the end of the month, making

the mini kit around $50.



I know the pros use electroless nickel followed up by a gold immersion

process. Will my boards work if I don't add gold plate to the nickel? Will

nickel work as good as tin?



>

> > You definitely get a better plating by using a electroless Tin

> > plating.  Using solder and an iron produces a bit of waviness or

> > bumpy surface (not to mention the flux which needs to be scrubbed

> > off).  The elctroless Tin plating results in a very smooth layer.

> >

> > I used to have the recipe for a wonderful electroless Tin plating

> > solution based on Stannous Chloride, Sodium Chloride, and Sodium

> > Cyanide.  Now that I'm older and wiser (and still alive), I no longer

> > use that particular material.

> >

> > Dave

> >

>  

>



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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-23 by Mark Mickelsen

Hi Volkan,

Could you possibly rig up some sort of steel roller to go over the surface
of the board to make starting the reaction easier and more thorough?  I'm
not familiar with the process at all, but that was the first thing I thought
of when I read your post about electroless plating.

Regards,

Mark 

 

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On Behalf Of Volkan Sahin
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:21 PM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

 






Hi Mike,
I used their  electroless nickel kit. It works fine only problem is you need
to touch every trace with a steel rod to start the reaction. Plating
thickness is really good and it is better than electroplating very uniform
and shiny because of that it is much better than immersion tin plating.
My application was THP, after activating holes with conductive ink I used
electroless ink to plate the holes.  Soldering is not so difficult. 
Cheers,
Volkan

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Mike Oyama <mikesb0x0fm4il2@
<mailto:mikesb0x0fm4il2%40gmail.com> gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mike Oyama <mikesb0x0fm4il2@ <mailto:mikesb0x0fm4il2%40gmail.com>
gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin
To: Homebrew_PCBs@ <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 11:23 AM

I've been thinking about picking up an electroless plating kit from caswell.

The electroless nickel kits are 30% off till the end of the month, making

the mini kit around $50.

I know the pros use electroless nickel followed up by a gold immersion

process. Will my boards work if I don't add gold plate to the nickel? Will

nickel work as good as tin?

>

> > You definitely get a better plating by using a electroless Tin

> > plating. Using solder and an iron produces a bit of waviness or

> > bumpy surface (not to mention the flux which needs to be scrubbed

> > off). The elctroless Tin plating results in a very smooth layer.

> >

> > I used to have the recipe for a wonderful electroless Tin plating

> > solution based on Stannous Chloride, Sodium Chloride, and Sodium

> > Cyanide. Now that I'm older and wiser (and still alive), I no longer

> > use that particular material.

> >

> > Dave

> >

> 

>

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RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-23 by Volkan Sahin

Hi Mark,
Good idea. I was planning to use steel brush. I can try roller method, my only concern is if surface is not flat how to guarantee to touch all traces with roller.  
Cheers,
Volkan

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Mark Mickelsen <MarkMickelsen@...> wrote:
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From: Mark Mickelsen <MarkMickelsen@qwest.net>
Subject: RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 12:31 PM











    
            
            


      
      Hi Volkan,



Could you possibly rig up some sort of steel roller to go over the surface

of the board to make starting the reaction easier and more thorough?  I'm

not familiar with the process at all, but that was the first thing I thought

of when I read your post about electroless plating.



Regards,



Mark 



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From: Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups.. com]

On Behalf Of Volkan Sahin

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:21 PM

To: Homebrew_PCBs@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin



Hi Mike,

I used their  electroless nickel kit. It works fine only problem is you need

to touch every trace with a steel rod to start the reaction. Plating

thickness is really good and it is better than electroplating very uniform

and shiny because of that it is much better than immersion tin plating.

My application was THP, after activating holes with conductive ink I used

electroless ink to plate the holes.  Soldering is not so difficult. 

Cheers,

Volkan



--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Mike Oyama <mikesb0x0fm4il2@

<mailto:mikesb0x0fm 4il2%40gmail. com> gmail.com> wrote:



From: Mike Oyama <mikesb0x0fm4il2@ <mailto:mikesb0x0fm 4il2%40gmail. com>

gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

To: Homebrew_PCBs@ <mailto:Homebrew_ PCBs%40yahoogrou ps.com> yahoogroups. com

Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 11:23 AM



I've been thinking about picking up an electroless plating kit from caswell.



The electroless nickel kits are 30% off till the end of the month, making



the mini kit around $50.



I know the pros use electroless nickel followed up by a gold immersion



process. Will my boards work if I don't add gold plate to the nickel? Will



nickel work as good as tin?



>



> > You definitely get a better plating by using a electroless Tin



> > plating. Using solder and an iron produces a bit of waviness or



> > bumpy surface (not to mention the flux which needs to be scrubbed



> > off). The elctroless Tin plating results in a very smooth layer.



> >



> > I used to have the recipe for a wonderful electroless Tin plating



> > solution based on Stannous Chloride, Sodium Chloride, and Sodium



> > Cyanide. Now that I'm older and wiser (and still alive), I no longer



> > use that particular material.



> >



> > Dave



> >



> 



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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-24 by Mike Oyama

Wow, Far out! I think I'll pick up one of those Electroless Nickel plating
kits then.

Could you use a wad of loose steel wool to activate the plating?


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Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-24 by Scott C.

What kind of flux are you using that you have to "scrub off"? I use water soluable. Rinse off with hot water.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <wa4qal@...> wrote:
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> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "hal91k" <chemistrypaul@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, true. But I believe you get a thinner, more consistent finish with this stuff. Here's a photo of the board I did.
> > 
> > http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2299/pcb006.jpg
> > 
> 
> You definitely get a better plating by using a electroless Tin 
> plating.  Using solder and an iron produces a bit of waviness or 
> bumpy surface (not to mention the flux which needs to be scrubbed
> off).  The elctroless Tin plating results in a very smooth layer.
> 
> I used to have the recipe for a wonderful electroless Tin plating 
> solution based on Stannous Chloride, Sodium Chloride, and Sodium
> Cyanide.  Now that I'm older and wiser (and still alive), I no longer
> use that particular material.
> 
> Dave
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin

2009-04-24 by Volkan Sahin

I think so, if it is steel it should work. I tried with x-acto knife blade and it worked. You need to touch with steel to copper traces a few seconds then it will start to generate bubbles (H2).   It is a little bit expensive electroless plating solution but easy to use. 
Cheers,
Volkan 


--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Mike Oyama <mikesb0x0fm4il2@...> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Free bottle of Liquid Tin
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
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      Wow, Far out! I think I'll pick up one of those Electroless Nickel plating

kits then.



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