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PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-26 by James

I've been trying out different schematic/layout packages, usually finding some major gripe that makes me look elsewhere. Something I ran into recently is that I wanted to rotate some components arbitrarily, but I've not found a way to do this in any of the software I've tried, they all seem to insist on rotating by increments of 90 degrees. Does anyone have recommendations for something with this ability? I can create custom components that are already rotated but this seems like a silly extra step. Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious?

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-26 by Alexis Shaw

I know that in altium you can rotate my arbitrary angles, but only by the
rotate command, perhaps it is the same for other packages.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:22, James <jamesrsweet@...> wrote:

>
>
> I've been trying out different schematic/layout packages, usually finding
> some major gripe that makes me look elsewhere. Something I ran into recently
> is that I wanted to rotate some components arbitrarily, but I've not found a
> way to do this in any of the software I've tried, they all seem to insist on
> rotating by increments of 90 degrees. Does anyone have recommendations for
> something with this ability? I can create custom components that are already
> rotated but this seems like a silly extra step. Perhaps I'm overlooking
> something obvious?
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-26 by Leon Heller

On 26/03/2010 00:22, James wrote:
> I've been trying out different schematic/layout packages, usually finding some major gripe that makes me look elsewhere. Something I ran into recently is that I wanted to rotate some components arbitrarily, but I've not found a way to do this in any of the software I've tried, they all seem to insist on rotating by increments of 90 degrees. Does anyone have recommendations for something with this ability? I can create custom components that are already rotated but this seems like a silly extra step. Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious?

It's very easy with Pulsonix: one just selects the part and then a right 
click on the mouse gives a menu that allows rotation by multiples of 90 
degrees, or a preset angle (I leave it set to 45 degrees). Something 
weird like 33.72 degrees can even be used. The preset angle is changed 
in Tools > Options > Interaction. It only takes a couple of mouse clicks 
to get there.

Leon
-- 
Leon Heller
G1HSM

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-26 by Stefan Trethan

Most if not all packages I have seen can do free angle rotation.
Sometimes it is a separate command from the regular 90 degree rotate,
because that is needed more often.

Target 3001 and even the rotten Eagle will do that.

ST
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On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Leon Heller <leon355@...> wrote:
> On 26/03/2010 00:22, James wrote:
>> I've been trying out different schematic/layout packages, usually finding some major gripe that makes me look elsewhere. Something I ran into recently is that I wanted to rotate some components arbitrarily, but I've not found a way to do this in any of the software I've tried, they all seem to insist on rotating by increments of 90 degrees. Does anyone have recommendations for something with this ability? I can create custom components that are already rotated but this seems like a silly extra step. Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious?
>
> It's very easy with Pulsonix: one just selects the part and then a right
> click on the mouse gives a menu that allows rotation by multiples of 90
> degrees, or a preset angle (I leave it set to 45 degrees). Something
> weird like 33.72 degrees can even be used. The preset angle is changed
> in Tools > Options > Interaction. It only takes a couple of mouse clicks
> to get there.
>
> Leon
> --
> Leon Heller
> G1HSM
>
>
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Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-26 by awakephd

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "James" <jamesrsweet@...> wrote:
>
> I've been trying out different schematic/layout packages, usually finding some major gripe that makes me look elsewhere. Something I ran into recently is that I wanted to rotate some components arbitrarily, but I've not found a way to do this in any of the software I've tried, they all seem to insist on rotating by increments of 90 degrees. Does anyone have recommendations for something with this ability? I can create custom components that are already rotated but this seems like a silly extra step. Perhaps I'm overlooking something obvious?
>

Kicad allows you set the angle to any arbitrary amount. You right-click on the component, choose Edit Component, and then change the Orientation to User, which lets you type in the angle you want.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-26 by Henrik Olsson

Hi,
As have been said, no problems with Eagle.
If the desired angle isn't in the drop-list simply put the cursor in the box
and type in the angle - done.

So apparently it's possible to do in Pulsonix, Altium, Eagle, Kicad and
Target3001 - which ones have you tried ;-)

/Henrik.
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-----Original message-----
I've been trying out different schematic/layout packages, usually finding
some major gripe that makes me look elsewhere. Something I ran into recently
is that I wanted to rotate some components arbitrarily, but I've not found a
way to do this in any of the software I've tried, they all seem to insist on
rotating by increments of 90 degrees. Does anyone have recommendations for
something with this ability? I can create custom components that are already
rotated but this seems like a silly extra step. Perhaps I'm overlooking
something obvious?

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-26 by Leon Heller

On 26/03/2010 14:29, Henrik Olsson wrote:
> Hi,
> As have been said, no problems with Eagle.
> If the desired angle isn't in the drop-list simply put the cursor in the box
> and type in the angle - done.
>
> So apparently it's possible to do in Pulsonix, Altium, Eagle, Kicad and
> Target3001 - which ones have you tried ;-)

Easy-PC has it, as well!

Leon
-- 
Leon Heller
G1HSM

Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-26 by alienrelics

DipTrace has it, just Right-Click and you can either select "Define Angle" and type in the exact angle, or select "Rotate Mode" and it will rotate to any angle with mouse movement until you left-click and lock it down.

Steve Greenfield

Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-26 by James

> 
> Kicad allows you set the angle to any arbitrary amount. You right-click on the component, choose Edit Component, and then change the Orientation to User, which lets you type in the angle you want.
>


Cool, thanks guys, sounds like it's there in most of them, apparently I've not been looking in the right place, I'm still a novice at using these CAD packages but learning more all the time. 

I'm currently pursuing Kicad because the price is right and it is not limited in any way. Obviously I'm not spending thousands on software to make a dozen or so boards a year at home for my hobby, and I've found that most of the free or cheap versions of other products are far too crippled, the price shoots up dramatically by the time you get something useful.

Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-27 by Ben L

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
>
> Most if not all packages I have seen can do free angle rotation.
> Sometimes it is a separate command from the regular 90 degree rotate,
> because that is needed more often.
> 
> Target 3001 and even the rotten Eagle will do that.
> 
> ST

Just looked at Dip Trace, it can do the 90 deg. or a preset angle that you chose and can also select to rotate with mouse movement to any angle you want.  Don't think I have ever needed anything other than 90 deg. as I try to keep components all in line so normally would only use 90 deg rotation.

Ben

Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-27 by awakephd

I am very satisfied with KiCad -- so far I've not found anything I needed that it can't do. I have had to go into the module editor and the component editor from time to time to create my own components/footprints, but it is easy to do. There are quite a few libraries out there. IMO, it would be beneficial if someone had the time to go through all of these libraries and clean them up -- make them all more consistent.

Take into account the fact that, while not quite still a newbie, I am certainly far less experienced than many others here. The most ambitious board that I've made so far is the one I'm working on now, a 3"x6" double-sided board with a mix of surface mount and through-hole components, using 10/10 rules for the SMD/logic section. I have etched it and it *looks* good, but I've not yet drilled and populated it, so time will tell ...

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "James" <jamesrsweet@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> 
> > 
> > Kicad allows you set the angle to any arbitrary amount. You right-click on the component, choose Edit Component, and then change the Orientation to User, which lets you type in the angle you want.
> >
> 
> 
> Cool, thanks guys, sounds like it's there in most of them, apparently I've not been looking in the right place, I'm still a novice at using these CAD packages but learning more all the time. 
> 
> I'm currently pursuing Kicad because the price is right and it is not limited in any way. Obviously I'm not spending thousands on software to make a dozen or so boards a year at home for my hobby, and I've found that most of the free or cheap versions of other products are far too crippled, the price shoots up dramatically by the time you get something useful.
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-27 by Philip Pemberton

James wrote:
> Something I
> ran into recently is that I wanted to rotate some components
> arbitrarily, but I've not found a way to do this in any of the
> software I've tried, they all seem to insist on rotating by
> increments of 90 degrees.

EAGLE can do this.

1. Place a component on the PCB
2. Click the "i" (Properties) toolbar button and then click the component.
3. Enter your desired angle of rotation in the "Angle" box.
3. ???
4. PROFIT!

:-)

I've done 45-degree rotated components with E5, which can make routing 
RAM wiring, etc. a bit easier, especially if the RAM bus is coming off 
of two sides of the chip. Essentially you have one of the corners of the 
source chip "pointing" at the centre of the short side of the RAM chip, 
which is rotated 0-degrees (vertical on the board).

Very handy, though I've heard it adds a fair bit onto the cost of 
assembling a board.

-- 
Phil.
ygroups@...
http://www.philpem.me.uk/

Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-27 by James

> 
> Very handy, though I've heard it adds a fair bit onto the cost of 
> assembling a board.
> 
> -- 
>


Well any boards I make will be hand assembled by me, mostly one-offs, with the occasional small quantity, so assembly cost is really not a concern.

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-28 by Jim Barnes

Hi,

 

I want to echo my approval of KiCAD. In the current century, I first
used TinyCAD. Why? Because it was the first program that I googled when
searching for FREE CAD software. Along with FreePCB and a Gerber viewer,
it really is capable doing a PCB; I used it for my first one. Its
program glitches and, especially, its component library drive me up the
wall, though. Whoever designed TinyCAD's libraries used something other
than inches (probably metric) and the components can't be adjusted to an
inch grid without redrawing them. In frustration, I installed KiCAD just
today. After going through the tutorial, I'm quite impressed with its
capabilities. I re-entered a schematic for a prospective PCB of mine and
did it in a quarter of TinyCAD's time or less.

 

(Sorry, ROTW, but I use inches, NOT mm! Through-hole components are
sized in inches. If I want to build a soldered breadboard, perf boards
come only in 0.1 inch spacing. If by some miracle I come up with a
production design, American PCB houses use inches. I like the metric
system and wish we had changed over in the 1950s, but we didn't. Unless
manufacturers of the stuff-electronic, mechanical, and lumber, too-I use
all go metric, I still use inches! Sorry for the off-topic tirade.)

 

Bottom line for newbies: Don't waste your time with TinyCAD/FreePCB! If
you need free, go right to KiCAD.

 

Back in the computing dark ages (1980 +/-), I used OrCAD (now
Candence/Orcad). I've seen that OrCAD is giving away their DOS (Yes, I
said DOS!) version for free. The current version is a very high price,
high capability product. I used the DOS version in the dark ages to
design stuff for NASA and the military. I don't really remember whether
it had component rotation, but I'll bet it did. Aerospace hardware used
a lot of weird-sized boards that didn't lend themselves to parts lined
up like soldiers in formation. If you're inclined to step back into the
last century, you might check it out at www.orcad.com.

 

Jim
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From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of awakephd
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:46 AM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB layout & component rotation

 

  

I am very satisfied with KiCad -- so far I've not found anything I
needed that it can't do. I have had to go into the module editor and the
component editor from time to time to create my own
components/footprints, but it is easy to do. There are quite a few
libraries out there. IMO, it would be beneficial if someone had the time
to go through all of these libraries and clean them up -- make them all
more consistent.

Take into account the fact that, while not quite still a newbie, I am
certainly far less experienced than many others here. The most ambitious
board that I've made so far is the one I'm working on now, a 3"x6"
double-sided board with a mix of surface mount and through-hole
components, using 10/10 rules for the SMD/logic section. I have etched
it and it *looks* good, but I've not yet drilled and populated it, so
time will tell ...

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , "James" <jamesrsweet@...>
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > 
> > Kicad allows you set the angle to any arbitrary amount. You
right-click on the component, choose Edit Component, and then change the
Orientation to User, which lets you type in the angle you want.
> >
> 
> 
> Cool, thanks guys, sounds like it's there in most of them, apparently
I've not been looking in the right place, I'm still a novice at using
these CAD packages but learning more all the time. 
> 
> I'm currently pursuing Kicad because the price is right and it is not
limited in any way. Obviously I'm not spending thousands on software to
make a dozen or so boards a year at home for my hobby, and I've found
that most of the free or cheap versions of other products are far too
crippled, the price shoots up dramatically by the time you get something
useful.
>





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Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-28 by zl1gbb

Greetings
   Does Kicad run under Windows? I tried downloading and it would get about 10% through the download then my computer would switch off. Never had this happen before but happened more than once so not an aberration. Might be explained if the program is designed to run under a special environment, hence my question. Very odd, though.

Tinycad does have provision for both metric and imperial. Maybe you had an old version?

cheers
Graeme

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Barnes" <jim@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I want to echo my approval of KiCAD. In the current century, I first
> used TinyCAD. Why? Because it was the first program that I googled when
> searching for FREE CAD software. Along with FreePCB and a Gerber viewer,
> it really is capable doing a PCB; I used it for my first one. Its
> program glitches and, especially, its component library drive me up the
> wall, though. Whoever designed TinyCAD's libraries used something other
> than inches (probably metric) and the components can't be adjusted to an
> inch grid without redrawing them. In frustration, I installed KiCAD just
> today. After going through the tutorial, I'm quite impressed with its
> capabilities. I re-entered a schematic for a prospective PCB of mine and
> did it in a quarter of TinyCAD's time or less.
> 
>  
> 
> (Sorry, ROTW, but I use inches, NOT mm! Through-hole components are
> sized in inches. If I want to build a soldered breadboard, perf boards
> come only in 0.1 inch spacing. If by some miracle I come up with a
> production design, American PCB houses use inches. I like the metric
> system and wish we had changed over in the 1950s, but we didn't. Unless
> manufacturers of the stuff-electronic, mechanical, and lumber, too-I use
> all go metric, I still use inches! Sorry for the off-topic tirade.)
> 
>  
> 
> Bottom line for newbies: Don't waste your time with TinyCAD/FreePCB! If
> you need free, go right to KiCAD.
> 
>  
> 
> Back in the computing dark ages (1980 +/-), I used OrCAD (now
> Candence/Orcad). I've seen that OrCAD is giving away their DOS (Yes, I
> said DOS!) version for free. The current version is a very high price,
> high capability product. I used the DOS version in the dark ages to
> design stuff for NASA and the military. I don't really remember whether
> it had component rotation, but I'll bet it did. Aerospace hardware used
> a lot of weird-sized boards that didn't lend themselves to parts lined
> up like soldiers in formation. If you're inclined to step back into the
> last century, you might check it out at www.orcad.com.
> 
>  
> 
> Jim
> 
>  
> 
> From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of awakephd
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:46 AM
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB layout & component rotation
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> I am very satisfied with KiCad -- so far I've not found anything I
> needed that it can't do. I have had to go into the module editor and the
> component editor from time to time to create my own
> components/footprints, but it is easy to do. There are quite a few
> libraries out there. IMO, it would be beneficial if someone had the time
> to go through all of these libraries and clean them up -- make them all
> more consistent.
> 
> Take into account the fact that, while not quite still a newbie, I am
> certainly far less experienced than many others here. The most ambitious
> board that I've made so far is the one I'm working on now, a 3"x6"
> double-sided board with a mix of surface mount and through-hole
> components, using 10/10 rules for the SMD/logic section. I have etched
> it and it *looks* good, but I've not yet drilled and populated it, so
> time will tell ...
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , "James" <jamesrsweet@>
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Kicad allows you set the angle to any arbitrary amount. You
> right-click on the component, choose Edit Component, and then change the
> Orientation to User, which lets you type in the angle you want.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Cool, thanks guys, sounds like it's there in most of them, apparently
> I've not been looking in the right place, I'm still a novice at using
> these CAD packages but learning more all the time. 
> > 
> > I'm currently pursuing Kicad because the price is right and it is not
> limited in any way. Obviously I'm not spending thousands on software to
> make a dozen or so boards a year at home for my hobby, and I've found
> that most of the free or cheap versions of other products are far too
> crippled, the price shoots up dramatically by the time you get something
> useful.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-28 by awakephd

KiCAD does allow selecting inches or mm for its units. I've never tried it in mm, though.

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Barnes" <jim@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I want to echo my approval of KiCAD. In the current century, I first
> used TinyCAD. Why? Because it was the first program that I googled when
> searching for FREE CAD software. Along with FreePCB and a Gerber viewer,
> it really is capable doing a PCB; I used it for my first one. Its
> program glitches and, especially, its component library drive me up the
> wall, though. Whoever designed TinyCAD's libraries used something other
> than inches (probably metric) and the components can't be adjusted to an
> inch grid without redrawing them. In frustration, I installed KiCAD just
> today. After going through the tutorial, I'm quite impressed with its
> capabilities. I re-entered a schematic for a prospective PCB of mine and
> did it in a quarter of TinyCAD's time or less.
> 
>  
> 
> (Sorry, ROTW, but I use inches, NOT mm! Through-hole components are
> sized in inches. If I want to build a soldered breadboard, perf boards
> come only in 0.1 inch spacing. If by some miracle I come up with a
> production design, American PCB houses use inches. I like the metric
> system and wish we had changed over in the 1950s, but we didn't. Unless
> manufacturers of the stuff-electronic, mechanical, and lumber, too-I use
> all go metric, I still use inches! Sorry for the off-topic tirade.)
> 
>  
> 
> Bottom line for newbies: Don't waste your time with TinyCAD/FreePCB! If
> you need free, go right to KiCAD.
> 
>  
> 
> Back in the computing dark ages (1980 +/-), I used OrCAD (now
> Candence/Orcad). I've seen that OrCAD is giving away their DOS (Yes, I
> said DOS!) version for free. The current version is a very high price,
> high capability product. I used the DOS version in the dark ages to
> design stuff for NASA and the military. I don't really remember whether
> it had component rotation, but I'll bet it did. Aerospace hardware used
> a lot of weird-sized boards that didn't lend themselves to parts lined
> up like soldiers in formation. If you're inclined to step back into the
> last century, you might check it out at www.orcad.com.
> 
>  
> 
> Jim
> 
>  
> 
> From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of awakephd
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:46 AM
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB layout & component rotation
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> I am very satisfied with KiCad -- so far I've not found anything I
> needed that it can't do. I have had to go into the module editor and the
> component editor from time to time to create my own
> components/footprints, but it is easy to do. There are quite a few
> libraries out there. IMO, it would be beneficial if someone had the time
> to go through all of these libraries and clean them up -- make them all
> more consistent.
> 
> Take into account the fact that, while not quite still a newbie, I am
> certainly far less experienced than many others here. The most ambitious
> board that I've made so far is the one I'm working on now, a 3"x6"
> double-sided board with a mix of surface mount and through-hole
> components, using 10/10 rules for the SMD/logic section. I have etched
> it and it *looks* good, but I've not yet drilled and populated it, so
> time will tell ...
> 
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Homebrew_PCBs%40yahoogroups.com> , "James" <jamesrsweet@>
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Kicad allows you set the angle to any arbitrary amount. You
> right-click on the component, choose Edit Component, and then change the
> Orientation to User, which lets you type in the angle you want.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Cool, thanks guys, sounds like it's there in most of them, apparently
> I've not been looking in the right place, I'm still a novice at using
> these CAD packages but learning more all the time. 
> > 
> > I'm currently pursuing Kicad because the price is right and it is not
> limited in any way. Obviously I'm not spending thousands on software to
> make a dozen or so boards a year at home for my hobby, and I've found
> that most of the free or cheap versions of other products are far too
> crippled, the price shoots up dramatically by the time you get something
> useful.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-28 by Stefan Trethan

Certainly looks that way:

20/03/2009    23:13     40697028 KiCad-2009-02-16-final-WinXP_autoinstall.zip

In any event, there should never be no such file that shuts your
computer off. Very odd indeed.

Try using the HTTP download if you used FTP, or FTP if you used HTTP:
<http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad/>

Or try using another browser to download.

ST
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On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:54 AM, zl1gbb <zl1gbb@...> wrote:
> Greetings
>   Does Kicad run under Windows? I tried downloading and it would get about 10% through the download then my computer would switch off. Never had this happen before but happened more than once so not an aberration. Might be explained if the program is designed to run under a special environment, hence my question. Very odd, though.
>
> Tinycad does have provision for both metric and imperial. Maybe you had an old version?
>
> cheers
> Graeme
>

RE: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-28 by Jim Barnes

Hi,

 

Do you have a good virus checker running? I HAVE seen viruses that turn
off computers, as well as doing other nasty things. Run a manual scan.

 

Jim
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[mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Trethan
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 11:00 AM
To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB layout & component rotation

 

  

Certainly looks that way:

20/03/2009 23:13 40697028 KiCad-2009-02-16-final-WinXP_autoinstall.zip

In any event, there should never be no such file that shuts your
computer off. Very odd indeed.

Try using the HTTP download if you used FTP, or FTP if you used HTTP:
<http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad/>

Or try using another browser to download.

ST

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:54 AM, zl1gbb <zl1gbb@...
<mailto:zl1gbb%40gmail.com> > wrote:
> Greetings
>   Does Kicad run under Windows? I tried downloading and it would get
about 10% through the download then my computer would switch off. Never
had this happen before but happened more than once so not an aberration.
Might be explained if the program is designed to run under a special
environment, hence my question. Very odd, though.
>
> Tinycad does have provision for both metric and imperial. Maybe you
had an old version?
>
> cheers
> Graeme
>





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Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-28 by Donald H Locker

Hi, Graeme.

<sarcasm>
I'm sure it's a new feature of Microshaft's perennially needs security updates "operating system."  If you try to download something that doesn't come from Microsoft, it aborts the download as a potential security threat.  "For your safety."
</sarcasm>

I would strongly suggest trying another browser.  If the one you are using is able to shut your computer down, then it is not really a browser, but a portal to controlling your computer and should not be used to go near the web.  I use KiCad on Windows and on Solaris and Ubuntu.  No problem

Donald.

----- "zl1gbb" <zl1gbb@...> wrote:

> Greetings
>    Does Kicad run under Windows? I tried downloading and it would get
> about 10% through the download then my computer would switch off.
> Never had this happen before but happened more than once so not an
> aberration. Might be explained if the program is designed to run under
> a special environment, hence my question. Very odd, though.
> 
> Tinycad does have provision for both metric and imperial. Maybe you
> had an old version?
> 
> cheers
> Graeme

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Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-29 by zl1gbb

Problem solved. I had upgraded my copy of Download Express (a download manager) and it turned out this was the problem. Presume a bug. Just happened that Kicad was the first file I tried to download after the upgrade. Removed Download Express and no more problems.

Now to explore Kicad. Thank you very much for the reference whoever gave it.

regards
Graeme

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Barnes" <jim@...> wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> Do you have a good virus checker running? I HAVE seen viruses that turn
> off computers, as well as doing other nasty things. Run a manual scan.
> 
>  
> 
> Jim
> 
>  
> 
> From: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Trethan
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 11:00 AM
> To: Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: PCB layout & component rotation
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> Certainly looks that way:
> 
> 20/03/2009 23:13 40697028 KiCad-2009-02-16-final-WinXP_autoinstall.zip
> 
> In any event, there should never be no such file that shuts your
> computer off. Very odd indeed.
> 
> Try using the HTTP download if you used FTP, or FTP if you used HTTP:
> <http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad/>
> 
> Or try using another browser to download.
> 
> ST
> 
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:54 AM, zl1gbb <zl1gbb@...
> <mailto:zl1gbb%40gmail.com> > wrote:
> > Greetings
> >   Does Kicad run under Windows? I tried downloading and it would get
> about 10% through the download then my computer would switch off. Never
> had this happen before but happened more than once so not an aberration.
> Might be explained if the program is designed to run under a special
> environment, hence my question. Very odd, though.
> >
> > Tinycad does have provision for both metric and imperial. Maybe you
> had an old version?
> >
> > cheers
> > Graeme
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: PCB layout & component rotation

2010-03-29 by James

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "zl1gbb" <zl1gbb@...> wrote:
>
> Problem solved. I had upgraded my copy of Download Express (a download manager) and it turned out this was the problem. Presume a bug. Just happened that Kicad was the first file I tried to download >after the upgrade. Removed Download Express and no more problems.
>

Does it have an option to shut down your computer when the download is complete? I've seen software with that capability, useful when downloading large files over a slow connection, you can go to bed and it will shut off when it finishes.

Definitely want to make sure it's a legit program though, there are many many utilities out there that are trojans of one sort or another.

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.