Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

> Judging from your replies, I guess your beef is with people with beefs? ;)

:o) Actually I'm not at all like that. You must have noticed how friendly all 
my other mails are. :o)

> Please don't be angry with me. I'm just trying to lighten it up a little.

Me too, I hope you can see the irony in my excercise of freedom of speech. :o)

> I'm sure you must realize that Yavuz had a legitimately bad experience.

No, I can't realize that until I actually saw what he wrote. If he had 
anything new to add to all the sad stories I've already read on LUG then yes, 
maybe it should have been posted. But I can't tell that from just "I tried to 
point out Apple's wrongdoing and got moderated".

> Personally I'm happy to let him vent a little.

Ok, but I just wanted to vent too. :o) There's just too much "empty" 
complaints like these going round, making the already existing grudges only 
deeper. And that's what annoys me about the LUG-venting that ends up here. 
(Not that I want it moderated here, but I WILL reply to it) :o)

> I know I would have been 
> *very* upset had I been in his shoes. I have a suspicion that you would
> have been too.

Again, it depends on what he was trying to say (and I wonder why he didn't 
post it to this list, to back up his complaint AND make the point that we now 
apparantly sadly miss). I see no reason why I would be upset, for all I know 
now. I've had a few of my postings moderated too, sure at first glance it 
ticks you off, but then you read the explanation why and it all makes sense. 
However, with all the sad-underdog-postings here, there is never any argument 
given against the moderator's explanation - in fact, the moderator's 
explanation is totally left out of the discussion (and hence most likely 
ignored). Instead there is just the (more popular) suspicion that the 
moderators are trying to block certain opinions, which they obviously are not 
since I've read the anti-Apple stories a gazillion times on LUG.

Just discarding the moderators arguments AND complaining about them somewhere 
where they don't see it, is no basis for a discussion. At least tell us what 
you said that got moderated, tell us why the moderators claimed they 
moderated it, and why you disagree. (And in fact, if you really have sensible 
arguments against the moderator's arguments, you can write it to the 
moderator in question too, but don't expect to get taken seriously if you 
stuff it full of unfounded accusations and personal attacks).

> Hoping I'm not going to draw the wrath of Kahn upon myself,

"You will die, of sophocation, in the icey cold of space." :o) No, as you see 
I answer real arguments with real arguments. I'm not angry with Yavuz either. 
Just when arguments fade away and get replaced by emotions to get people on 
one's side, I like to give a wakeup call. :o)

Maurits.