Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

On Jan 6, 2005, at 12:12 AM, Kamm Schreiner wrote:

> >
>  I second what Denis said. I have a pair of dynaudio acoustic
>  > BM6As, and they are absolutely spot on. whatever I mix on
>  > them is going to sound exactly the same anywhere else I play them...
>
>  Oh? What if your mix is played back through NS10s? ;)

Then it will sound like shit just like everything else that passes 
through NS10s.  I don't think he really meant the mixes would sound 
"the same" every where, what I think he meant and I know I meant was 
that they translated better.

Interestingly I listened to a hug part of my pretty extensive CD 
collection when I got my BM6As because I just could not believe what I 
was hearing.  After listening to about 200 CDs there was exactly one 
that I actually thought sounded better on the Yamahas it was a Tito 
Puente album and the horns were just some how punchier and groovier and 
the whole thing just sounded more vibrant on the NS10s than the BM6As.  
The other 199 sounded far far far far far better on the Dynaudios.

>  The point is, *all* speakers (and I do mean ALL) color the sound.

Sure but there is the issue of degrees to which different speakers 
color the sound and if you think BM6As color the sound as much as or as 
harshly NS10s you best start hunting for them marbles you have clearly 
lost.

> There is no such thing as a speaker with zero distortion and a 
> perfectly flat 1 to 100,000 Hz frequency response.

Again some speakers are measurably flatter than other and NS10s are not 
in the "measure as relatively flat" camp at all

> Even where you place your speakers makes a difference.

Sure, it also makes a much more noticeable difference with BM6As than 
it does with NS10s because BM6As are very good and rendering nuances 
and image wonderfully whereas NS10s don't really image worth a shit.

> What  speaker sounds best is subjective.

Of course it is.  For example I think Genelecs and Mackies are probably 
just as accurate as the Dynaudios, and I don't particularly like 
Genelec or Mackies from a subjective point of view, but I would not 
argue with anyone who preferred their sound, there is no argument to 
make, but even if they are not my faves they still beat the hell out of 
NS10s for the simple reason that they are in an entirely different 
league of accuracy and the don't lop off the bottom end.

What speaker is more accurate is not subjective it is quite 
measureable.  Nor is what speaker more accurately reflects current 
trends subjective.  Modern systems, even cheap ones simply have more 
bottom end, and CDs can reproduce more bass than records used to 
because the people who master them don't have to worry about stuff like 
shooting the needles out of the grooves than they used to and cutting 
everything off under 60hz like NS10s do (take a sine wave generator and 
test it for yourself if you think both me and the specs are lying) is 
just not really a very viable option anymore.

Also my experience has shown me that people have just been doing it 
backwards for the about the past 20 years and they have been doing it 
for basically no better reason than simple heard mentality.  They mix 
on these shitty speakers (which there is simply no denying NS10s are) 
and then check on good ones to see if there are problems.  It is just 
fucking absurd, and I am ashamed to admit that I ran with that absurd 
herd for years.  The fact is if you get it right on some accurate 
speakers you probably have it right, period.  That is at least what I 
have found to be the case since I switched to be more accurate speakers 
and it really stand to reason that it should be that way.

<Bowing head in shame>