Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

Is there a way to add a bar at the beginning of a Logic song and at
the same time move 
the automation and tempo changes.   I can't get my Virtual guitarist
to play on the first 
note, but I'm sure if I added a bar and game him more time to 'think'
he would be a good 
boy.  But I don't want to have to re-do my automation and tempo
changes.  I realize this is 
a VG problem but I have often come upon this situation - where I add
time and Logic 
moves the note data but not the tempo changes.

tim_trax wrote:
> Is there a way to add a bar at the beginning of a Logic song and at
> the same time move 
> the automation and tempo changes.   I can't get my Virtual guitarist
> to play on the first 
> note, but I'm sure if I added a bar and game him more time to 'think'
> he would be a good 
> boy.  But I don't want to have to re-do my automation and tempo
> changes.  I realize this is 
> a VG problem but I have often come upon this situation - where I add
> time and Logic 
> moves the note data but not the tempo changes.
> 

I have that problem with instruments every now and then.. Ive made it a 
habit to just start my songs at either bar 1 or 2 (we usually need a 
count in from the drum machine anyways so it all works out hehe)..

Ok going off the top of my head, Im at work here and dont have access to 
Logic so bear with me, grab the first measure or however many you need, 
and set your locater points to this measure(s).. On one of the menus in 
the arrange window (this is where being at home wouldve been really 
handy), there is a command to Insert Time based on the locater points 
you have set.. I want to say its on the Track menu but I dont think so. 
Now if everything works as it should, you should now have an extra 
bar(s) inserted where you set the locate points, and Logic should give 
you that message about tracks containing Automation Data and ask you 
whether you want to move/copy/keep/etc..

-- 
Chris

http://www.descentrecords.com

GAmoore@... wrote:
> You can move the beginning of the song by grabbing the start marker in 
> the scale bar at top and dragging from bar 1 to 0 or -1, ... etc. 
> However, I usually just select all (command A), then move everything to 
> start about bar 10 - to leave some space for intros and expansion to the 
> left.
> 
> Regarding automation, I think it will ask you if you want to move it or 
> not. I think there is a preference for that too.
> 

Oh yeah see what happens at work.. I missed the obvious haha.. Just 
select All, then move it, Logic will then definately ask you if you want 
to move the Automation data with it..
Hopefully youre on Logic 7, cause under Logic 6 Pro, there were always 
problems moving Automation like this and it never worked 100%.. In fact 
most of the time my automation never moved and had to be done manually.. 
Was so relieved when this was fixed in 7..


-- 
Chris

http://www.descentrecords.com

GAmoore@... wrote:
> Thats how logic always is - several ways. Actually I never use the 
> Insert or Cut time commands. If you have a long note that stretches over 
> a bar line, and you insert time does it length it or put an empty space 
> there? And what about frozen tracks or locked tracks? I just end up 
> doing things manually.
> 

Good question hehe.. I do believe when you hit in the middle of a 
lengthy note you should get the 'Keep, Shorten, Split' still that you 
get when you normally cut a region in half.. But thats Midi, like you 
said I wouldnt go doing it in the middle of an audio track hehe..


-- 
Chris

http://www.descentrecords.com

Thanks Chris.
I should have stated I'm running Express 6.  I don't see that 'add time'  function in any of 
the arrange menu drop downs.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was absent in ths  version.

There are no automation preferences in my Logic 6 Express that I can find.   And I've never 
been asked if I also want to move the automation.  (that I remember!)
Actually what I really want to know is,   Can you add a bar anywhere - say bar 43,  without 
messing up the automation and tempo changes - Or for that matter subtract a bar.  That 
would be handy too at times.




--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@a... wrote:

> 
> > Is there a way to add a bar at the beginning of a Logic song and at
> > the same time move
> > the automation and tempo changes.
> > 
> 
> You can move the beginning of the song by grabbing the start marker in the 
> scale bar at top and dragging from bar 1 to 0 or -1, ... etc. However, I usually 
> just select all (command A), then move everything to start about bar 10 - to 
> leave some space for intros and expansion to the left.
> 
> Regarding automation, I think it will ask you if you want to move it or not. 
> I think there is a preference for that too.
> 
> Lately I have decided to just get a good decent mix, then use automation only 
> at the final stages.

well there you go - I'm finding more and more bad things about my Express 6.  I guess it's 
time to gulp and move up.


--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Chris Coccia <mothra@d...> wrote:

> GAmoore@a... wrote:
> > You can move the beginning of the song by grabbing the start marker in 
> > the scale bar at top and dragging from bar 1 to 0 or -1, ... etc. 
> > However, I usually just select all (command A), then move everything to 
> > start about bar 10 - to leave some space for intros and expansion to the 
> > left.
> > 
> > Regarding automation, I think it will ask you if you want to move it or 
> > not. I think there is a preference for that too.
> > 
> 
> Oh yeah see what happens at work.. I missed the obvious haha.. Just 
> select All, then move it, Logic will then definately ask you if you want 
> to move the Automation data with it..
> Hopefully youre on Logic 7, cause under Logic 6 Pro, there were always 
> problems moving Automation like this and it never worked 100%.. In fact 
> most of the time my automation never moved and had to be done manually.. 
> Was so relieved when this was fixed in 7..
> 
> 
> -- 
> Chris
> 
> http://www.descentrecords.com