Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

I have this system;

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It is for PT LE but it works great for everything.

You have to do it yourself but it takes a few hours only.

It is very very powerful.

 

Yavuz AKYAZICI

Guitar Player

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To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Logic_Cafe] pcs and macs

 

I'm thinking of getting a PC for testing some software I am writing. I am
wondering if anyone using a windows machine can comment on what it might be
useful for musically (working with my mac system).

By the way, I found a 3 gig Pentium systme at HP for $349 without monitor. 

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> I'm thinking of getting a PC for testing some software I am 
> writing. I am wondering if anyone using a windows machine can 
> comment on what it might be useful for musically (working 
> with my mac system).
> 
> By the way, I found a 3 gig Pentium systme at HP for $349 
> without monitor. 


I was using an HP system with Sonar prior to getting Logic. The computer
worked extremely well and was stable. The only problem was fan noise. I
suspect the newer ones are less noisy.

As far as software I'd highly recommend Cubase. The competitive upgrade is
pretty reasonable and it will work on both the PC and your Mac. I find
Cubase better during the initial songwriting phase of my music. Mostly
because it is so easy to setup your external MIDI hardware and to access all
of the patches. It took me one day to get that done for all of my MIDI gear
using Cubase. I STILL haven't gotten it done in Logic (after about a year)
because Logic is so user hostile with respect to setting up equipment that
has more than 15 banks of patches. I just haven't been able to force myself
to go through the tedium yet. Even for those that have 15 or less, there
isn't any way to group similar patches together or name the banks.

Kamm

On Oct 24, 2005, at 1:07 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> Thats interesting. Also interesting that the recommend a Centrino over  
> a Pentium. The PC world gives the impression of being cheaper as some  
> have said here before but its also a bit confusing with so many  
> options, and when you load up on things, the prices get up to the mac  
> prices.
>
>> http://duc.digidesign.com/showflat.php? 
>> Cat=&Board=UBB32&Number=360675&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=7&fpart=1
>>   
>
>
>

I really dont want to start a Platform war (Disclaimer inserted here:  
Lov'em Both), but I've always leaned to Macs because by the time you  
are said and done, that is, adding things to the PC, subtracting  
things, and calculating life span of the PC, it ends up costing the  
same just going with a mac.
Since day 1 that I purchased computer recording gear, by the time I  
loaded everything, tweaked settings and got running, I was in business  
(paying for the expensive Mac) within hours.
On the PC side, there was a Much much longer setup time to get it to  
run smoothly without hickups.
just my 002c worth.
Dont get me wrong, I run PC's too, not just macs and Commodore  
64's......
Ciao
Gio

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Nick Batzdorf <recording@e...> wrote:

 > I use my PCs as sample-streaming slaves. Is that what you're asking?

I just logged on after months off from the list to ask this very 
question, so regardless of
what the original asker (also mysteriously named Gregory) wanted, I 
would love to know
more about this.

I just inherited a PC and have to think that it can be used to augment 
my music setup.  I
am obviously Mac/Logic-based, and what I really need is a new dual G5.  
But what I have is
a G4 Aluminum laptop and this PC I inherited.  I know distributed 
processing can't harness
the additional processing power of the PC, so I guess I am limited to 
streaming soft
synths.

Nick, how do you do this, in terms of software and connection method?  
I am very married
to Logic and don't want to invest in some new flagship product ($$$) 
for the PC, but there
are cheap VST hosts that can run softsynths.  Are you doing Giga?  And 
as for connections, do I go Rewire, network, midi...?

And finally, is it worth it?  Does the 2-computer combo add a lot of 
latency, am I too
restricted in what it can run, etc?   Anybody's experience with this 
would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

The Other Gregory

From: Gregory Anderson <glists@...>

> Nick, how do you do this, in terms of software and connection method?
> I am very married
> to Logic and don't want to invest in some new flagship product ($$$)
> for the PC, but there
> are cheap VST hosts that can run softsynths.  Are you doing Giga?  And
> as for connections, do I go Rewire, network, midi...?
>
> And finally, is it worth it?  Does the 2-computer combo add a lot of
> latency, am I too
> restricted in what it can run, etc?   Anybody's experience with this
> would be greatly
> appreciated.

I use a G5 for Logic mostly, and I have three PCs (two Giga, one  
Kontakt and other soft instruments). For MIDI I use MIDI Over LAN  
(www.musiclab.com), which works great. For audio, I have a Frontier  
Designs Wavecenter PCI card in each PC, connected by lightpipe to  
MOTU PCI-424-based hardware on my G5 (the PCI-424 acts as my mixer).  
Those cards are cheap ($300), with lightpipe and S/PDIF I/O plus two  
MIDI ports that I don't use.

Unfortunately, I also have my Quicksilver dual gig G4 running Pro  
Tools MIX, since I decided I couldn't justify upgrading to PT HD  
(much as I'd like to) and the MIX hardware doesn't work on G5s. That  
system has a 24-bit ADAT Bridge, which is connected to an additional  
2408 box on the PCI-424 card. I'd love to be able to get rid of that  
system, but there isn't anything between Pro Tools LE and HD.

So yes it's worth having multiple machines. I run  large orchestral  
libraries, and they don't fit on one machine.

Now, your old PC may not be up to much as far as modern V.I.s are  
concerned, but multi-computer set-ups are necessary if you want to  
have lots of stuff ready to go when you're writing.


>    From: GAmoore@...
> Subject: Re: Re: pcs and macs
>
>
>
>> Nick, how do you do this, in terms of software and connection method?
>> I am very married
>> to Logic and don't want to invest in some new flagship product ($$$)
>> for the PC, but there
>> are cheap VST hosts that can run softsynths.  Are you doing Giga?   
>> And
>> as for connections, do I go Rewire, network, midi...?
>>
>>
>
> yeah... i'm curious too... does the PC have a Midi board and it  
> treated like
> a synth, but runs a standalone version of something? or can you  
> hook them up
> via ethernet or firewire which are probably much faster to get a  
> virtual midi
> connection?

You can connect two Macs running Tiger with Apple's AUNetSend and  
AUNetReceive plug-ins (I've never tried it). There's also Wormhole.  
The one I'm waiting for is FX Teleport.  Right now it only works  
between PCs, but if there's ever a Mac version, I'll jump on it.



Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher
Virtual Instruments magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers
www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com
1-877 VImagzn (846-2496)
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@a... wrote:
>
> > I really dont want to start a Platform war (Disclaimer inserted here: 
> > Lov'em Both), but I've always leaned to Macs because by the time you 
> > are said and done, that is, adding things to the PC, subtracting 
> > things, and calculating life span of the PC, it ends up costing the 
> > same just going with a mac.
> > 
> 
> Oh I know. I don't like PCs particularly. But I am writing software, and so 
> far every user is Windows. And there are a bunch of minor differences on mac 
> and windows so I really have to test it on my own machine. Also I want to 
> demonstrate it can run on XP. I am thinking that there might be some things useful 
> to do with the computer for music too but not exactly sure what.
> 
> Those various annoyances are not just annoyances. If you have any kind of 
> life, then spending extra hours unproductively is a frustrating waste. For 
> example, if you put aside 2 hours at the end of the day to do some music, and 
> instead you are messing with re-installing a system or whatever, then your whole 
> allocation of time is gone.
>
In them days of the past, we always started our rehersal soldering cables...
Nowadays, I ask in a HiEnd HiFi shop for what I need, bleed for it, problem's solved. 
Go for a demonstration here:
http://www.apple.com/logicpro/
You can do this too,
Best Harald