Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

I've always been frustrated by low output volumes in Logic (I'm using 
Logic Pro 7), and have never been able to find how to give my tracks 
(e.g. mp3 exports) a higher overall level. It seems they are quite 
quiet compared to other mp3s (commercial, etc.). Am I missing something 
obvious?


Chris

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:28:51 -0800, Chris Ryan wrote
> I've always been frustrated by low output volumes in Logic (I'm 
> using Logic Pro 7), and have never been able to find how to give my 
> tracks 
> (e.g. mp3 exports) a higher overall level. It seems they are quite 
> quiet compared to other mp3s (commercial, etc.). Am I missing 
> something obvious?

Maybe not obvious, but what you're missing is that professional productions
are put through one or more limiters to maximize the "percepted volume" during
mastering. One could argue whether this is really a good thing, but your music
will at least sound a lot softer than the rest if you don't.

Watch the levels of your mix and those of a commercial one, and you'll see
that even though both peak at 0dB, the mastered commercial product stays much
higher in level on average. This is why it sounds louder.

Maurits.

This extra compression at the mastering stage is really killing all the
dynamic range we have.
I have spent many hours to build my mike pres from Seventh Circle Audio,
Just to get extra headroom with Jensen Twin Servo designs then I am hesitant
to give my recorded CD out to mastering.
What is worse is people now expect to hear that.

Check these out;
http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/04/why-records-are-getting-louder.html

http://www.mindspring.com/~mrichter/dynamics/dynamics.htm

I do not who to blame for this but I do not like it.

Yavuz AKYAZICI
yavuz_akyazici@...
http://yavuz.dhs.org

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:28:51 -0800, Chris Ryan wrote
> I've always been frustrated by low output volumes in Logic (I'm 
> using Logic Pro 7), and have never been able to find how to give my 
> tracks 
> (e.g. mp3 exports) a higher overall level. It seems they are quite 
> quiet compared to other mp3s (commercial, etc.). Am I missing 
> something obvious?

Maybe not obvious, but what you're missing is that professional productions
are put through one or more limiters to maximize the "percepted volume"
during
mastering. One could argue whether this is really a good thing, but your
music
will at least sound a lot softer than the rest if you don't.

Watch the levels of your mix and those of a commercial one, and you'll see
that even though both peak at 0dB, the mastered commercial product stays
much
higher in level on average. This is why it sounds louder.

Maurits.




 
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YAVUZ AKYAZICI wrote:

> This extra compression at the mastering stage is really killing all the
> dynamic range we have.
> I have spent many hours to build my mike pres from Seventh Circle Audio,
> Just to get extra headroom with Jensen Twin Servo designs then I am 
> hesitant
> to give my recorded CD out to mastering.
> What is worse is people now expect to hear that.
>
> Check these out;
> http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/04/why-records-are-getting-louder.html
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~mrichter/dynamics/dynamics.htm 
> <http://www.mindspring.com/%7Emrichter/dynamics/dynamics.htm>
>
> I do not who to blame for this but I do not like it.
>
> Yavuz AKYAZICI
> yavuz_akyazici@...
> http://yavuz.dhs.org
>
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:28:51 -0800, Chris Ryan wrote
> > I've always been frustrated by low output volumes in Logic (I'm
> > using Logic Pro 7), and have never been able to find how to give my
> > tracks
> > (e.g. mp3 exports) a higher overall level. It seems they are quite
> > quiet compared to other mp3s (commercial, etc.). Am I missing
> > something obvious?
>
> Maybe not obvious, but what you're missing is that professional 
> productions
> are put through one or more limiters to maximize the "percepted volume"
> during
> mastering. One could argue whether this is really a good thing, but your
> music
> will at least sound a lot softer than the rest if you don't.
>
> Watch the levels of your mix and those of a commercial one, and you'll see
> that even though both peak at 0dB, the mastered commercial product stays
> much
> higher in level on average. This is why it sounds louder.
>
> Maurits.
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I am a music editor for films. We hate having to edit recordings from 
the past few years. In Pro Tools the waveform display just looks like a 
solid block. You can't see the beats so it takes twice as long to cut 
these songs.  Lee