Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

Having a setup that does not require video monitors...and am ready to
"pull the trigger" on Logic and would like to get some feedback or
views on using one (1) 30" video monitor, or two (2) smaller ones. 

While we're on the subject, do people find an application to use more
than 2?


Thanks In Advance

rm

Austin, TX

On 8/11/06, havevoicewillbabble <havevoicewillbabble@...> wrote:

> Having a setup that does not require video monitors...and am ready to
> "pull the trigger" on Logic and would like to get some feedback or
> views on using one (1) 30" video monitor, or two (2) smaller ones.
>
> While we're on the subject, do people find an application to use more
> than 2?

I prefer two smaller monitors to one larger one because I like to
physically separate the workspace.  I am currently using two 19"
widescreen monitors with my Logic setup and am very satisfied with the
setup.  I do a lot of work with video scoring, so I have an NTSC
monitor in the middle of the two computer monitors.  Works great.  I
have discovered that I need width more than height, and each monitor
is 1440 wide.  I have experimented with Logic in the Apple Store on a
30" display, but it doesn't fit my style.

I use three monitors on my "work" computer but it's primarily because
I do a lot of software development and can have stuff spread out a lot
more.

Kent

> I prefer two smaller monitors to one larger one because I like to
> physically separate the workspace. I am currently using two 19"
> widescreen monitors with my Logic setup and am very satisfied with the
> setup. I do a lot of work with video scoring, so I have an NTSC
> monitor in the middle of the two computer monitors. Works great. I
> have discovered that I need width more than height, and each monitor
> is 1440 wide. I have experimented with Logic in the Apple Store on a
> 30" display, but it doesn't fit my style.

Agreed- I have 2 x Apple 20" monitors which is great for Logic and PT.
I also have a powerbook sitting closest to me that I use for mail and  
internet so I basically use the G5 for 'audio only' although  
sometimes surf/watch movies on one screen while doing something on  
another.

In Logic I never spread the arrange window out over two screens- I  
have one for arrange and the other for mixer/environment.
I wish there was a tri or quad graphics card on the market that  
supported Mac.
I could easily use 4 screens.

JR

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When I started using L7, I accidently defaulted my
Autoload to 135 bpm.  Most of the time, however, I
recorded MIDI data on tracks at say, 110 bpm or 96
bpm.

Dozens of songs are now saved this way with a
different bpm actually recorded (not Core Audio, just
MIDI) than what the toolbar says.

If I just change the bpm on the toolbar, however,
it also changes the recording tempo to the same
variable.

What are the command steps to adjust the bpm to the
same tempo of the recording WITHOUT also changing the
tempo of the source recording in the track?

Thanks,

Uro

James Richmond <richmondjames@...> wrote:
: 
: In Logic I never spread the arrange window out over two screens- I  
: have one for arrange and the other for mixer/environment.
: I wish there was a tri or quad graphics card on the market that  
: supported Mac.
: I could easily use 4 screens.

You could always use more than one graphics card (depending on your
configuration and free slots).

-- 
 agreenbu @ nyx . net                             andrew michael greenburg

> 
> Having a setup that does not require video monitors...and am ready to
> "pull the trigger" on Logic and would like to get some feedback or
> views on using one (1) 30" video monitor, or two (2) smaller ones.
> 
> 
> 

I have been using dual monitors for several years, and its great. I used to 
use two 15" flat panels side by side, but i switched to a 22" cinema with a 15" 
side monitor. I have a Radeon 9000 I think, with the digital output going to 
the cinema, and the vga going to the 15". Logic generally works well with the 
dual monitors, including saving screensets, although, there are times it does 
not cooperate. Its great to have a different screen in each monitor. I 
basically use the small monitor to have the transport, and big bar counter, and 
usually a zoomed out arrange page to easily navigate. Sometimes I have arrange 
windows in both big and small screens, but one zoomed in, one zoomed out - the 
link feature is really good here to select something in one page, then it selects 
and moves to the same thing on the other page. Also I have matrix/arrange 
combinations, mixer/arrange, etc.


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Uro wrote:
> When I started using L7, I accidently defaulted my
> Autoload to 135 bpm.  Most of the time, however, I
> recorded MIDI data on tracks at say, 110 bpm or 96
> bpm.
> 
> Dozens of songs are now saved this way with a
> different bpm actually recorded (not Core Audio, just
> MIDI) than what the toolbar says.
> 
> If I just change the bpm on the toolbar, however,
> it also changes the recording tempo to the same
> variable.
> 
> What are the command steps to adjust the bpm to the
> same tempo of the recording WITHOUT also changing the
> tempo of the source recording in the track?
> 

Unless you actually recorded tempo information from the midi devices 
into Logic, there is no tempo attached to your source recording. Midi 
just plays back at what speed the sequencer tells it to.
What do you mean exactly by 'recording tempo'? There is no seperate 
playback and recording tempo.. Theres one speed, for playback AND recording.
It may be that you have some controller information that was recorded in 
to your sequences along with the note data.. Check that first..


-- 
Chris

http://www.monotrematamusic.com
http://www.myspace.com/monotremata
http://www.descentrecords.com

> When I started using L7, I accidently defaulted my
> Autoload to 135 bpm. Most of the time, however, I
> recorded MIDI data on tracks at say, 110 bpm or 96
> bpm.
> 

So you left the tempo at 135, but recorded free form without any metronome or 
quarternote click? Did you use any machine tempo at all, for example a drum 
machine or synth arp set to 110 or 96, or is it totally freeform? I think there 
are two options - neither of which work extremely reliably.

1a. If your tempo is solid at 110 or 96, but you recorded at 135, you can do 
this : change tempo to 110. Locate a sequence that sounds four bars in the 
original tempo, but which is now too fast, and shorter than 4 bars (maybe 3.5 
bars roughly). next, to a smpte lock on all the sequences - which will lock their 
start points. select all of them. next take that four bar sequence, and 
option drag the edge so its 4 bars again. What this does is to time stretch the 
sequences which are all too fast, back to their original spacing. In practice 
this is not an exact process however. It would be if they could allow you to do 
it digitally and you could compute 135/110 %. Then unlock the smptes. This is 
necessary so that the start points don't change.

1b. Change tempo to 110, put a kick drum on every quarternote with the 110 
tempo, then try stretching everything as above by ear until it lines up.

2. Before changing tempo, lay down a midi quarter note beat. Then use the 
tempo remapping feature. It sounds great in principle but I never got it to work 
with acceptable results.

3. Just leave the tempo at 135 so your midi is exactly as you played it, and 
ignore the notational items. In a sense treat it like a Protools / tape 
recording deal.

4. What I have actuallly done in this case, is 1a to start, then meticuously 
correct the notes in the matrix editor and/or replay certain parts at the 
correct tempo, to get a bonafide good midi part which will also translate well 
into notation when it comes time to print leadsheets (for copyright if nothing 
else).


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--- GAmoore@... wrote:

> So you left the tempo at 135, but recorded free form
> without any metronome or 
> quarternote click? 

Yes, correct

Did you use any machine tempo at
> all, for example a drum 
> machine or synth arp set to 110 or 96, or is it
> totally freeform? 

No Rhythm or click; totally freeform.


> 1b. Change tempo to 110, put a kick drum on every
> quarternote with the 110 
> tempo, then try stretching everything as above by
> ear until it lines up.
> 
> 2. Before changing tempo, lay down a midi quarter
> note beat. Then use the 
> tempo remapping feature. It sounds great in
> principle but I never got it to work 
> with acceptable results.

Is 1b. or 2. better suggested?

What are the commands for tempo remapping?

> > So you left the tempo at 135, but recorded free form
> > without any metronome or
> > quarternote click?
> 
> Yes, correct
> 
> Did you use any machine tempo at
> > all, for example a drum
> > machine or synth arp set to 110 or 96, or is it
> > totally freeform?
> 
> No Rhythm or click; totally freeform.
> 
> 

What you'll find it that the tempo is totally messed up then - i am sorry to 
say. No human being can play with steady rhythm. So then you need to decide - 
do you want to keep the performance exactly like it is, or do you want to time 
correct things? There is absolutely no reason to have everything locked to a 
fixed tempo. You need to decide if the performance is outstanding and needs to 
be preserved, or if you just need to capture the musical idea, in which case 
you can time correct, and tweak manually as needed.

Another thing you could do, is to change the tempo at each bar. Make one 
master sequence, with a copy of everything else merged together, then put a cut in 
it at the start of each natural bar from your playing. Then adjust the tempo 
of each bar to make that segment fit the bar. There is a good key command for 
this - you set a bar in the locators, then select the sequence that sounds 
like a bar, then hit the change tempo by object length or whatever the name of 
the key command is. And logic will compute it, even if its 109.532 bpm. IN that 
way, you can salvage your performance with 20 minutes work. Plus you can but a 
loop cutinto quarters in a folder and have it loop throughout the whole song 
and it will be in sync automatically.



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On 12/08/2006, at 2:20 AM, havevoicewillbabble wrote:

> Having a setup that does not require video monitors...and am ready to
> "pull the trigger" on Logic and would like to get some feedback or
> views on using one (1) 30" video monitor, or two (2) smaller ones.

It comes down to number of pixels for me. I've been happy with 2 x 17  
inch LCD's for the last few years which total 2560 x 1024 pixels. The  
Apple 30" is 2560 x 1600 which is slightly more - and in one screen.  
Pretty cool. My latest plan is to get 2 x Dell 24" offering 3840 x  
1200 combined pixels. Not as many high but more wide. Not sure  
weather I would like one big more rather than 2 small.

With my current I have various screen sets, mostly split windows but  
I do have one where an arrange is expanded fully across both screens.  
My main set is with an arrange on one screen and a track mixer,  
Multimeter across the stereo bus and transport on the second screen.

> While we're on the subject, do people find an application to use more
> than 2?

There is no doubt that if i had 4 or 6 screens they would all get  
plenty of use and I would become reliant on them. More is definately  
better in this case.




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Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
www.jaminajar.com



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