Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

I really don't know where else to ask this question so I hope someone 
on here has had this issue in there lives. So I write deep house, and 
Nuskool Breaks tracks, and no matter if it is house or breaks I can't 
get my beats to mix well with other purchased tracks. After about 7 
years of doing this music production thing I'm finally making tracks 
that I want to mix, but like I said they never match up easily. It 
seems to me that there is some sort of swing, or lazy groove going on 
with the tracks released(hip hop to house). I think I can take an 
impression from a purchased track, and make a groove template from 
that, but I would rather know specific values and why. I guess my 
questions are:

Is there a simplier solution other than goove templates?

Does the groove that you are snatching have to be the same tempo as 
the that of piece that you want to write?


Do groove templates alter any midi data, if they are applied to midi 
sequences?

Is there any general swing or groove formats for deep house, breaks, 
and hip hop or is it all done by each producer differently. 

When swinging drums, do you swing all beats or just hi hats(no bass 
drum, or snare drum swing)?

I've listen to lots of music, and I know there is something that I 
can do to make my beats match easier. If you know of a place better 
suited to answer this question could you please point me in the right 
direction. I really need to understand this stuff as I want to start 
testing out my music in a club enviroment. So that you can referance 
what I'm talking about. you can google labels like nightshift(house 
music), TCR(Breaks). I'm able to mix tracks between these labels 
fine, and would like to get a groove/swing or whatever it is similar 
to those labels. I normally don't ask questions like this, but I'm 
really running into a brick wall with this one. 

thanks in advance. 

chuck

probably start with one thing, then add others in one by one, and make sure 
they are tight. I have long wished that the sample editor would allow you to 
put one audio file in the background semi-transparent, then another in the 
foreground, then allow some Abelton Live like warping of one audio part to 
correspond to the other. Also a grid in the background of the sample editor would be 
nice.

you might start out by quantizing everything. For precorded loops, you can 
cut them using option+scissors by 16ths, adjust the start points of each piece 
in the audio editor, then put them a folder that you can loop. Then you might 
consider the groove templates. The templates applied to midi sequences are non 
destructive just like quantizing. 

I read that you can apply to tempaltes to audio too, but its unclear to me 
how that could possibly work unless the audio were quantized to begin with. if 
the audio were hitting before the beat, then you put a template to it which 
also brought in beats before the hit, and it seems it could get pretty messed up.


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Hey Chuck, 
i've struggled with this same thing and recently had a breakthough with it.

I compose music for a client that involves lots of Tablas & other percussion tracks, and 
they rarely match up with each other or an underlying drum loop,

Here's what i do,

First, I take all the loops and convert into REX files, using Recycle. Then, drop them into 
SAGE Converter, a utility app. for Stylus RMX. Once that's done, they show up in the User 
Library for Stylus RMX. You then drag any or all the segments you need from Stylus into a 
track in Logic. Pick one loop to use as a Gruv Template. Select in the arrange window and 
then go Options/Groove Template/ Make Groove Template. The selected segments name 
will now show up in the Quantize pull down menu.  you can then fully or semi-quantize 
the any or all Midi-tracks or Stylus loops to follow the selected loops new Quantize 
template.

This works like a dream most of the time, sounds great when it does. 

Now, if someone could just help me, when it comes to signal processing drum 
sounds,....

I listen to some of these Stylus loops and just think 'How the @#$! do they get it to sound 
like that?'




--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "dachillone4u" <dachillone4u@...> wrote:

>
> I really don't know where else to ask this question so I hope someone 
> on here has had this issue in there lives. So I write deep house, and 
> Nuskool Breaks tracks, and no matter if it is house or breaks I can't 
> get my beats to mix well with other purchased tracks. After about 7 
> years of doing this music production thing I'm finally making tracks 
> that I want to mix, but like I said they never match up easily. It 
> seems to me that there is some sort of swing, or lazy groove going on 
> with the tracks released(hip hop to house). I think I can take an 
> impression from a purchased track, and make a groove template from 
> that, but I would rather know specific values and why. I guess my 
> questions are:
> 
> Is there a simplier solution other than goove templates?
> 
> Does the groove that you are snatching have to be the same tempo as 
> the that of piece that you want to write?
> 
> 
> Do groove templates alter any midi data, if they are applied to midi 
> sequences?
> 
> Is there any general swing or groove formats for deep house, breaks, 
> and hip hop or is it all done by each producer differently. 
> 
> When swinging drums, do you swing all beats or just hi hats(no bass 
> drum, or snare drum swing)?
> 
> I've listen to lots of music, and I know there is something that I 
> can do to make my beats match easier. If you know of a place better 
> suited to answer this question could you please point me in the right 
> direction. I really need to understand this stuff as I want to start 
> testing out my music in a club enviroment. So that you can referance 
> what I'm talking about. you can google labels like nightshift(house 
> music), TCR(Breaks). I'm able to mix tracks between these labels 
> fine, and would like to get a groove/swing or whatever it is similar 
> to those labels. I normally don't ask questions like this, but I'm 
> really running into a brick wall with this one. 
> 
> thanks in advance. 
> 
> chuck
>