Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

Does anyone have any experience with those little roland or zoom handheld 
recorders, recording live bands? I noticed on YouTube that most of the videos of 
concerts filmed by average people have totally unacceptable sound - because 
the bass just blows out the level and distorts it terribly.



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They reviewed the Zoom one in the Project Studio Network podcast.   .... I just checked 
their website and the episode is not posted any longer.  I could mail you a CD with the 
episode if you want.  They really liked the zoom unit, that's the one with the "roll-bar" over 
the x/y microphones, right?

If you want to get your hands on something with a bunch of faders, a lot of people are 
unloading their Roland VS 1680, 1880, etc.   Don't touch the 840 or 880 unless screen 
size and having to scroll through multiple windows doesn't bother you.   I'm looking to 
unload my own 1680, which is why I was kind of pricing them on eBay.

I think they eBay value for these babies is around 200-250, much to my disappointment 
for resale, and much to the benefit to mobil recording wanna-be people.  

Make sure you have enough microphone inputs for your needs, the 1680 only has two 
with phantom power, then it's all 1/4 inch inputs for the rest.  You can record 8 tracks at a 
time.

People are also unloading the Alesis ADAT machines, and they are tending to go for 
around 100 bucks.  

Handheld:  I use my good old mini disk with two Realistic PZM microphones.  Didn't sound 
too good this last time I recorded our church band, but I think microphone placement was 
one of the problems.  In the 1990s a lot of my Berklee College of Music buddies had the 
mini disk units with the stereo microphone attachment and got a lot of bootleg 
recordings.

I think for highest quality, if you could help set up the microphones, add some of your 
own, and run a spitter, take your signals to something with enough inputs be it a 
computer i/o or a stand alone, etc.  Plus a couple of room microphones.  

With any handheld I think you will face a degree of disappiontment, and frustration with 
lack of control over mixing.  

Pete


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> Does anyone have any experience with those little roland or zoom handheld 
> recorders, recording live bands? I noticed on YouTube that most of the videos of 
> concerts filmed by average people have totally unacceptable sound - because 
> the bass just blows out the level and distorts it terribly.
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Thanks Pete. I was thinking of one of the small units with built-in mics. 
Actually the main purpose would be for recording some ambient sounds. I think 
m-audio has something, and roland, and then the zoom is the one with the two 
little mics perpindicular to each other.

Zoom H4 - $300 (M/S mics sticking out - said to have "cheap" feel to it)
http://www.audiomidi.com/H4-Handy-Recorder-P8589.aspx
http://www.zzounds.com/item--ZOMH4

Edirol R9 $400 ("electric shaver")
http://www.audiomidi.com/R-09-Portable-Recorder-P7820.aspx

Sony MZ-200   $400 ("chocolate square" - mics not built in)
http://www.audiomidi.com/MZ-M200-Portable-Hi-MD-Recorder-P8887.aspx

m-audio microtrack $400 ("ipod with faders" seems like it doesn't have 
builtin mics though)
http://www.audiomidi.com/Micro-Track-24-96-P6906.aspx


or the best deal, if you have an ipod is to buy the imic for $35 and add it 
to an ipod to get 12 hours of recording time, automatic time and date stamp, 
but audio quality leaves something to be desired. (I think its mono wav files at 
22k, and frequency response does not seem to go past 4k).



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I have a Griffen iTalk setup for my iPod video and can tell you its  
only good for recording lectures etc. It does record 16bit stereo wav  
but you get harddrive noise along with a lot of hiss. I even tried an  
external mic with the same results. Would be great if it had better  
quality.

On Apr 2, 2007, at 9:47 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> or the best deal, if you have an ipod is to buy the imic for $35  
> and add it
> to an ipod to get 12 hours of recording time, automatic time and  
> date stamp,
> but audio quality leaves something to be desired. (I think its mono  
> wav files at
> 22k, and frequency response does not seem to go past 4k).



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