Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

On 1/12/2008 12:51 PM, "bobsafir" <bsafir@...> wrote:

> I probably could make a case for taking it back and getting an 8-
> core, but is it worth the hassle?  What would you do?  Let bygones
> be bygones?  Or ensure that you didn't purchase something that was
> already EOL (end-of-life), even if it meant a transition period with
> some bugs, instabilities, etc?  I'd be interested in other opinions.


Having been burned myself in the past - for the future - my simple rule is:
only buy stuff when the "new thing comes out" - then either buy the new one
or the old one at a discount.

--
Thanks - RevDave
Cool @ hosting4days . com
[db-lists]

In a message dated 1/16/08 9:03:09 AM, cool@... writes:


> > I probably could make a case for taking it back and getting an 8-
> > core, but is it worth the hassle? What would you do? Let bygones
> > be bygones? Or ensure that you didn't purchase something that was
> > already EOL (end-of-life) already EOL (end-of-life)<wbr>, even if it
> > some bugs, instabilities, etc? I'd be interested in other opinions.
> 
> Having been burned myself in the past - for the future - my simple rule is:
> only buy stuff when the "new thing comes out" - then either buy the new one
> or the old one at a discount.
> 

We all get burned in this way. Apple could warn us of impending changes, but 
then people would hold back from buying until the new one comes. So   in order 
to maximize profit, they have this code of silence. I try to follow RevDave's 
advice too, but sometimes you gotta upgrade and can't wait any longer - and 
then they introduce new models the next month.

I think the key deciding factor is how much of an upgrade is it. Sometimes 
Apple makes a revolutionary upgrade, and sometimes its a minor one. They like to 
announce something every so often, so sometimes the changes are quite minor. 
That might be the case now. Although going to 8 cores is better, its unclear 
how much real world increase in power this is because the software has to take 
advantage of the changes. Its definitely not twice as fast a 4 cores. 



**************
Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape.
     
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Greetings,

For what it's worth, I made a conscious choice to buy one of the last Dual
G5's (non-Intel) that were available, rather than dealing with all of the
incompatibilities that go along with adopting a new paradigm such as the
Intel chipset, Leopard OS, and Logic 8. While lots of folks were upset and
complaining about why their systems weren't operating up to snuff, I was
busy making music. And my G5 with Tiger and Logic 7 is still going strong.

Do I drool over the new shiny Intel mac with Leopard and L8? Sure. But I'll
jump in when the major issues get smoothed out; not when the road is still
bumpy.

-Mark

In a similar shift to what Mark did, I made a conscious choice to buy one of
the last quad Mac Pro's with Tiger factory-installed on it.  I have stayed
with Logic 7.2.3.  I then bought a copy of Kontakt 2 (very inexpensive
because Kontakt 3 is out now) so that I could successfully run all of my
East/West libraries, Garritan, and other software with no compatibility
problems posed by the player-only Kontakt versions.

 

I have not regretted this decision for a single moment, now that I have been
able to continue working and the Mac Pro has taken everything I've thrown at
it without a single hiccup.  It's a powerful system that should keep me
happy for a long time to come.

 

It's nice to have the "latest, greatest" hardware, but with all of the new
complexities involved, compatibility has to rule.

 

-Bob Safir

 

 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well there are several strategies. One is to buy the latest and greatest at top dollar but deal 
with the most problems. 

Another strategy is as you guys mentioned - to hang on to older working stuff for as long 
as possible. I did that before with a Mac 7500 and later G4/400. I ended up donating the 
7500 to charity when it became obsolete but still working fine. I sold the G4 for $400 
which was less than I paid for the ram in it. 

I followed a third strategy in recently selling my G5 at a decent price ($1100) and buying 
an Intel-mac. I felt that I waited a year or two on that, so they had time to get most of the 
bugs out. I started having the feeling that the new OS and the new versions of Logic were 
going to be optimized and written specifically for the intel macs and would render the 
best efficiency.

This transition was not painless. A number of plugins won't work on the intel macs at all. 
Some required paid upgrades. The most annoying to me was spending $100 for the 
upgrade to Absynth 4 - but it won't open in place of songs saved with Absynth 1, 2, or 3, 
so you lose all your patches. The only advantage to Ab4 over Ab3 was an improved 
browser which turns out to be totally unworkable and worse than Abs3). I also had to pay 
to upgrade utilities like Diskwarrior, Techtool Pro, and Toast.

But this transition is inevitable for all of us - unless you plan to hang on to dead-end 
archetecture forever. I think I already read that Apple plans to eventually discontinue 
support for the G5 platform - so maybe in a few years the OS won't even run on those.

The only realistic question is WHEN rather IF to transition to an intel mac. I felt it best to 
get top dollar for my G5 and go ahead and make the jump. Now I have a machine that will 
take advantage of all the OS and Logic improvements to come - for several years. Plus I 
get some (not a lot) of increased stability and efficiency with greater processing power.




--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Safir" <bsafir@...> wrote:

> In a similar shift to what Mark did, I made a conscious choice to buy one of
> the last quad Mac Pro's with Tiger factory-installed on it.  I have stayed
> with Logic 7.2.3.  I then bought a copy of Kontakt 2 (very inexpensive
> because Kontakt 3 is out now) so that I could successfully run all of my
> East/West libraries, Garritan, and other software with no compatibility
> problems posed by the player-only Kontakt versions.
> 
> I have not regretted this decision for a single moment, now that I have been
> able to continue working and the Mac Pro has taken everything I've thrown at
> it without a single hiccup.  It's a powerful system that should keep me
> happy for a long time to come.
> 
> It's nice to have the "latest, greatest" hardware, but with all of the new
> complexities involved, compatibility has to rule.
>