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How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-03-31 by kirallenpdx

I just got Logic Studio and am working on a project that calls for
various Mellotron sounds, but I could not find any such sounds in 
Logic's vast library. So, I managed to download some but I cannot find
any instructions in the manuals or on the internet explaining how to
install them. Many of the files I downloaded have .exs suffixes, but
others are contained in folders containing numerous .wav files and a
single .exs file. Still others are in folders with a single .dll file
and a correlating text file. How do I import these so that Logic will
recognize them? Thanks for any advice!

Re: How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-03-31 by pinineco2001

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "kirallenpdx" <kirallen@...> wrote:
>
> I just got Logic Studio and am working on a project that calls for
> various Mellotron sounds, but I could not find any such sounds in 
> Logic's vast library. So, I managed to download some but I cannot find
> any instructions in the manuals or on the internet explaining how to
> install them. Many of the files I downloaded have .exs suffixes, but
> others are contained in folders containing numerous .wav files and a
> single .exs file. Still others are in folders with a single .dll file
> and a correlating text file. How do I import these so that Logic will
> recognize them? Thanks for any advice!

One way would be to use a convertion software such as Translator by
Chicken Systems or CDxtract by the company of the same name.

pinineco
>

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-03-31 by Dr. Tim Waters

The easiest way would be to download some free soundfonts and let Logic's EXS24 sampler convert them for you.

You can find out more on a page I posted on the web.

http://drtw.net/drtimsaudiotips/

Tim Waters



pinineco2001 <pinineco2002@...> wrote:                             --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "kirallenpdx" <kirallen@...> wrote:
 >
 > I just got Logic Studio and am working on a project that calls for
 > various Mellotron sounds, but I could not find any such sounds in 
 > Logic's vast library. So, I managed to download some but I cannot find
 > any instructions in the manuals or on the internet explaining how to
 > install them. Many of the files I downloaded have .exs suffixes, but
 > others are contained in folders containing numerous .wav files and a
 > single .exs file. Still others are in folders with a single .dll file
 > and a correlating text file. How do I import these so that Logic will
 > recognize them? Thanks for any advice!
 
 One way would be to use a convertion software such as Translator by
 Chicken Systems or CDxtract by the company of the same name.
 
 pinineco
 >
 
 
     
                                       

       
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Re: How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-03-31 by mt100uk

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "kirallenpdx" <kirallen@...> wrote:
>
> I just got Logic Studio and am working on a project that calls for
> various Mellotron sounds, but I could not find any such sounds in 
> Logic's vast library. So, I managed to download some but I cannot find
> any instructions in the manuals or on the internet explaining how to
> install them. Many of the files I downloaded have .exs suffixes, but
> others are contained in folders containing numerous .wav files and a
> single .exs file. Still others are in folders with a single .dll file
> and a correlating text file. How do I import these so that Logic will
> recognise them? Thanks for any advice!
>

Hi, I don't know how much you know about samples/samplers so I'll start at the top. 
Typically (but with some commercial exceptions) samplers store the files needed as two 
types, you get one (or many thousand more!) wav/aiff/other audio files which are played 
by the sampler. The other type of file (for logic, .exs) is generally called an instrument or 
program file which contains the info about which sample is played over which note, tuning 
etc.

For the EXS24 (built in logic sampler) the two types of file are either wav/aiff for the sound 
and a .exs file which is the instrument file. Typically you'll have several wav/aiffs and a 
single .exs file (per instrument).

Logic/exs24 doesn't really mind where the audio files go, as long as it can find them to 
load them. On the other hand, the .exs file has to be in one of two locations, either;

'yourHD'/Users/'yourusername'/Library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler instruments. 
This is where the 'user' instruments are kept. Ie non-standard, user added instruments, 
such as what you're adding.

Or;

'yourHD'/Library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler instruments. This is where the 
default instruments are stored. Ie those that are installed with logic as standard.

You can put your instruments in either, but for standard use its best to keep them as 
intended. You can put aliases to other folders in these folders so you don't have to 
navigate deep into the library to add files.

If you do get some soundfont files (a different/3rd party sample format that is compatible 
with exs24) put these into the sampler instruments folder and the next time you use 
exs24 (you may need to 'refresh' if you haven't quit/restart logic after adding them) they 
automatically convert and add the audio part of the instrument (wav/aiff) to a 'soundfonts' 
folder and the instrument (exs) file(s) to the sampler instrument folder.

In your case I'd suggest putting the .exs file in a sub-folder in;
'yourHD'/Users/'yourusername'/Library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler instruments

and the wav/aiffs in a sensible folder alongside any other samples you've added. You may 
be prompted through a series of search dialogues to re-link the audio files the first time 
you load it. You may find it useful to take advantage of the spotlight box in the top right 
of the search window, just start typing in the file name and OSX will find it for you.

The .dll files you've found won't work with exs24, these are dynamic link libraries for 
windows/pc and typically would be used by a pc application, not mac/osx.

Hope this helps, Mike

Re: [Logic_Cafe] How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-03-31 by HKC

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "kirallenpdx" <kirallen@...> wrote:

I just got Logic Studio and am working on a project that calls for
various Mellotron sounds, but I could not find any such sounds in 
Logic's vast library. So, I managed to download some but I cannot find
any instructions in the manuals or on the internet explaining how to
do this. Many of the files I downloaded have .exs suffixes, but others
are contained in folders containing numerous .wav files and a single
.exs file. Still others are in folders with a single .dll file and a
correlating text file. How do I import these so that Logic will
recognize them? Thanks for any advice!

The mellotron is basically just an old sampleplayer where the big difference is the tapehiss. The original sounds had a certain quality that is hard to beat for some productions though. 

If you really like the mellotron you should consider getting the GForce Mtron. It's very good if you're interested in the real deal (or at least a digital copy of it). It's a samplelibrary constucted from almost all the original mellotron sounds and has the charms of the original ones without having to worry about tapeloops. 
. 

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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-03-31 by GAmoore@aol.com

I got a really good collection of mellotron soundfonts (which loaded into 
EXS24 pretty easily) as a download from sonivox. I think they may have raised the 
price, but even at $29, its a good collection.

http://www.sonivoxmi.com/ProductDetail.asp?Item=MellotronVintage




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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-03-31 by GAmoore@aol.com

> If you do get some soundfont files (a different/3rd party sample format 
> that is compatible
> with exs24) put these into the sampler instruments folder and the next time 
> you use
> exs24 (you may need to 'refresh' if you haven't quit/restart logic after 
> adding them) they
> automatically convert and add the audio part of the instrument (wav/aiff) to 
> a 'soundfonts'
> folder and the instrument (exs) file(s) to the sampler instrument folder.
> 
> 

I think you need to put the soundfonts in the folder, then open Logic, and 
EXS24, then select each of the new instrument samples, and it converts them 
automatically. After that, they appear as any other EXS instrument.


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Re: [Logic_Cafe] How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-03-31 by GAmoore@aol.com

> The mellotron is basically just an old sampleplayer where the big 
> difference is the tapehiss.
> 

Its more ... rather than less than that ... its low quality samples to start 
with the high rolled off, its warbling pitch, and its the looping around that 
together make their retro charm.


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Re: How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-03-31 by mt100uk

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
>
> 
> > If you do get some soundfont files (a different/3rd party sample format 
> > that is compatible
> > with exs24) put these into the sampler instruments folder and the next time 
> > you use
> > exs24 (you may need to 'refresh' if you haven't quit/restart logic after 
> > adding them) they
> > automatically convert and add the audio part of the instrument (wav/aiff) to 
> > a 'soundfonts'
> > folder and the instrument (exs) file(s) to the sampler instrument folder.
> > 
> > 
> 
> I think you need to put the soundfonts in the folder, then open Logic, and 
> EXS24, then select each of the new instrument samples, and it converts them 
> automatically. After that, they appear as any other EXS instrument.
> 

Quite possibly! been a while since I've done this.

Mike

Re: [Logic_Cafe] How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-03-31 by HKC

From: GAmoore@...
Its more ... rather than less than that ... its low quality samples to start 
with the high rolled off, its warbling pitch, and its the looping around that 
together make their retro charm.


I just wanted to point out that the Mellotron isn't a synth with tons of controls and that it could actually sound like whatever you chose to put on the tapes so the sound of a mellotron could be many things. 
One could argue that the real mellotron sound probably is the strange warbling and noise. If there was a plugin like "Vinyl" from Izotope that just added this instead of cracks and hum it could probably make any sound mellotron-like.

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Re: How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-03-31 by kirallenpdx

I'd like to thank each one of you who were kind enough to respond to
my query. Special thanks go to Mike, who definitely shed some light on
the workings of the EXS sampler and how to add samples to Logic. And
to the others, I appreciate your suggestions for the use of both
M-Tron and Sonivox Mellotron samples--I will certainly investigate these.

Kirk

Re: How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-04-06 by Karl M

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "kirallenpdx" <kirallen@...> wrote:
>
> I just got Logic Studio and am working on a project that calls for
> various Mellotron sounds, but I could not find any such sounds in 
> Logic's vast library. 

I realize this is late.. however, many years ago I had a rich musician buddy who owned 
one.. and I spent many an hour playing and listening to these three-track tapes.  I played it 
through what we now know as a class A system, with excellent 3-way bins.. and I say that 
it had some frequency response problems.  Listening to early Moody Blues CDs brings it all 
right back.

IF you don't want to chase additional libraries, I suggest creating a standard track - flute, 
strings or choir - and then applying some telephone-style visual EQ to it.. you have to 
reduce the audio range on modern samples to properly emulate the Mellotron.  Roll off the 
top and the bottom.  Don't imagine that Mellotron samples were hi-fi by any means..

best luck

karl

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-04-06 by GAmoore@aol.com

yeah maybe try some cheesy organ patches which are meant to sound like flutes or strings. You can put some various modulations on it to to alter the pitch slightly and slowly. maybe try tweaking the attack too.
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--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "kirallenpdx" <kirallen@...> wrote:

>

> I just got Logic Studio and am working on a project that calls for

> various Mellotron sounds, but I could not find any such sounds in 

> Logic's vast library. 



I realize this is late.. however, many years ago I had a rich musician buddy who owned 

one.. and I spent many an hour playing and listening to these three-track tapes.  I played it 

through what we now know as a class A system, with excellent 3-way bins.. and I say that 

it had some frequency response problems.  Listening to early Moody Blues CDs brings it all 

right back.



IF you don't want to chase additional libraries, I suggest creating a standard track - flute, 

strings or choir - and then applying some telephone-style visual EQ to it.. you have to 

reduce the audio range on modern samples to properly emulate the Mellotron.  Roll off the 

top and the bottom.  Don't imagine that Mellotron samples were hi-fi by any means..



best luck



karl





    
  

    
    
    
    
    
    


    


    
    
    
    
    



 





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Re: How to add instrument sounds to Logic?

2008-04-06 by pete_buchwald

re: Mellotron 

It's not really a Logic-al sollution but .....

Reason has a "refill" package that has all the Abbey Road keyboards.   I use my Reason 
Adapted very little, but as a Beatle fan, I'm tempted to try to get this Abbey Road collection  
integrated into my production environment!  The mellotron would be great!!

Reason product description (see the video!!):  http://www.propellerheads.se/products/refills/ark/dsp_frameset.cfm

A great mellotron advertisment (video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrXtmKGkSa4

I hope this helps!
  
       Pete

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Karl M" <mkarl2@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "kirallenpdx" <kirallen@> wrote:
> >
> > I just got Logic Studio and am working on a project that calls for
> > various Mellotron sounds, but I could not find any such sounds in 
> > Logic's vast library. 
> 
> I realize this is late.. however, many years ago I had a rich musician buddy who owned 
> one.. and I spent many an hour playing and listening to these three-track tapes.  I played 
it 
> through what we now know as a class A system, with excellent 3-way bins.. and I say 
that 
> it had some frequency response problems.  Listening to early Moody Blues CDs brings it 
all 
> right back.
> 
> IF you don't want to chase additional libraries, I suggest creating a standard track - 
flute, 
> strings or choir - and then applying some telephone-style visual EQ to it.. you have to 
> reduce the audio range on modern samples to properly emulate the Mellotron.  Roll off 
the 
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> top and the bottom.  Don't imagine that Mellotron samples were hi-fi by any means..
> 
> best luck
> 
> karl
>

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