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2008-07-01 by Chaz
Its time to start looking at mastering my work, and I have heard various theories about having it ptofessionally done & doing it yourself. If you were going to use software, which would you use? I use a Mac but could use a PC as well. Thanks Chaz [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-07-01 by GAmoore@aol.com
There are some famous studios (e.g. Abbey Road) and famous engineers who will
master your stuff via online submissions, and its not that expensive. I think
the real pro's use hardware rather than software though. I suppose you can
use the Precision series of plugs from UAudio if you want to do it in the box,
but I feel its a specialized art and if you want it done right, you probably
have to go to a pro.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2008-07-01 by pete_buchwald
In my humble opinion:
1. How serious is the project?
a. Music designed and produced for large scale broadcast?
b. Uncle Fred and the Garage Band?
c. Somewhere in between?
If it's serious I would, as Geoff suggested, send if off to a pro mastering house. Airshow
Mastering in Boulder is near me, I might support the local guys (who's credits include Pink
Floyd, others).
If it's mostly for fun or just less serious I would "master" it myself with Waveburner
(included with Logic Studio). I would also suggest reading Bob Katz' book on mastering.
Self mastering should have a name of it's own, because when I "master" my song I know
full well that I am not a trained engineer for legitimate mastering, and that I lack the
dedicated tools to do the real thing. That being said, I have read enough about mastering,
have decent enough ears to recognize when my mastering plugins/settings are making
the song worse. I have taken classes and read countless books and magazines. I have
listened to demo CDs of "before vs after" from Airshow mastering.
Another benefit to having the song professionally mastered is to have a fresh mind and
fresh set of ears.
So it comes down a study on your part of cost vs benefit. Also in the equation is the
possibility that you'll try to do it yourself and not be happy with it, and end up getting it
professionally mastered, or even mixed again.
I hope this helps!2008-07-01 by Mark Falchook
Careful there. I've worked with Grammy award winning mastering engineers who used only software, and other engineers who swear by hardware. It's all the about the talent of the engineer; not what tools that they use. But I do agree that if you're serious about your project, then a qualified pro is the way to go. -Mark
> I think > the real pro's use hardware rather than software though. I suppose you can > use the Precision series of plugs from UAudio if you want to do it in the box, > but I feel its a specialized art and if you want it done right, you probably > have to go to a pro.
2008-07-01 by Tim McLane
Where can we find these engineers online who will do these mixes? Is there a website? Do you have personal contacts? Please let us know. t On Jul 1, 2008, at 10:38 AM, GAmoore@... wrote: > There are some famous studios (e.g. Abbey Road) and famous engineers > who will > master your stuff via online submissions, and its not that > expensive. I think > the real pro's use hardware rather than software though. I suppose > you can > use the Precision series of plugs from UAudio if you want to do it > in the box, > but I feel its a specialized art and if you want it done right, you > probably > have to go to a pro. > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL > Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Tim McLane www.timmclanemusic.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-07-01 by Steven Woolgar
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:31:40 -0700, Tim McLane wrote: > Where can we find these engineers online who will do these mixes? Is > there a website? Do you have personal contacts? Please let us know. One of them I know is <http://www.alienbeansstudio.com> Many of them can also be found in the ad section of TapeOp magazine. W.
2008-07-02 by GAmoore@aol.com
I haven't seen as many who do mixes, but I saw that Abbey Road will do
mastering, and the guy who did Led Zeppelin will do master unsigned acts for
something like $1000. I did see one studio which does mixes but not as famous. I
think mixing is much more subjective, and concievalbey quite a headache if there
many dozens of tracks. Try checking TapeOp, or other magazine websites, or do a
google search.
I did a google search now and found these :
http://www.online-mixing.com/
75-200 pounds per song
http://online-mixing-and-mastering.com/cms/
also has online mastering, online drums, etc.
mixing is 130 euros per song (about $200).
although both european, I have seen them in the US too - with the lousy value
of the dollar you might want to stick to US operations for now.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-01-30 by Andrew Brook
I'm due to have my first performance tomorrow, using Logic, and I've just lost all the sound. Please, can anyone help me work out what I've done. All the Mute indicators on the tracks are flashing on and off. I can play individual tracks on solo, and if I solo them all, the whole thing plays, but without soloing them all, they go back to mute. What on earth have I done? Thanks in advance for your advice Andy B
2009-01-30 by GAmoore@aol.com
probabaly one of the tracks or one of the channel strips is in solo mode. go down the tracks one by one to see if any are in solo, then go to the mixer and see if any channels are in solo.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Brook <bbgrove@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 1:49 pm
Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Urgent - please help - I've lost all sound
I'm due to have my first performance tomorrow, using Logic, and
I've just lost all the sound. Please, can anyone help me work out
what I've done. All the Mute indicators on the tracks are flashing on
and off. I can play individual tracks on solo, and if I solo them
all, the whole thing plays, but without soloing them all, they go
back to mute. What on earth have I done?
Thanks in advance for your advice
Andy B
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-01-30 by Andrew Brook
On 30 Jan 2009, at 22:30, GAmoore@... wrote: > probabaly one of the tracks or one of the channel strips is in solo > mode. go down the tracks one by one to see if any are in solo, then > go to the mixer and see if any channels are in solo. > I've turned all the tracks on and then off solo, both in the arranger and in the mixer, to no avail. Now I see that if I have Output 1-2 in solo I hear all the tracks, but if I take it out of solo, they all disappear again! Andy B
2009-01-30 by GAmoore@aol.com
sounds like a solo issue of some sort. do you see the faint yellow bar in the top of the arrange page? you can try turning solo on and off. check your outputs too as you mentioned. you'll find it if you keep looking. if worse comes to worse, open a new logic file, and copy the regions over and the channel strips.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Brook <bbgrove@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Urgent - please help - I've lost all sound
On 30 Jan 2009, at 22:30, GAmoore@... wrote:
> probabaly one of the tracks or one of the channel strips is in solo
> mode. go down the tracks one by one to see if any are in solo, then
> go to the mixer and see if any channels are in solo.
>
I've turned all the tracks on and then off solo, both in the arranger
and in the mixer, to no avail. Now I see that if I have Output 1-2 in
solo I hear all the tracks, but if I take it out of solo, they all
disappear again!
Andy B
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-01-31 by John Kilgour
also, check to see if youre in "universal track mode" - sounds silly, but once this happened to me On Jan 30, 2009, at 6:13 PM, GAmoore@... wrote: > sounds like a solo issue of some sort. do you see the faint yellow > bar in the top of the arrange page? you can try turning solo on and > off. check your outputs too as you mentioned. you'll find it if you > keep looking. if worse comes to worse, open a new logic file, and > copy the regions over and the channel strips. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Brook <bbgrove@...> > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 2:32 pm > Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Urgent - please help - I've lost all sound > > On 30 Jan 2009, at 22:30, GAmoore@... wrote: > > > probabaly one of the tracks or one of the channel strips is in solo > > > mode. go down the tracks one by one to see if any are in solo, then > > > go to the mixer and see if any channels are in solo. > > > > > I've turned all the tracks on and then off solo, both in the arranger > > and in the mixer, to no avail. Now I see that if I have Output 1-2 in > > solo I hear all the tracks, but if I take it out of solo, they all > > disappear again! > > Andy B > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-01-31 by Andrew Brook
Thanks for the tips, which taught me some new things, and I finally got there in the end. I had a muted track that wasn't visible in arrange or mixer, but in mixer when I chose to show all strips, it appeared. Then I clicked to show it in the arranger and it re- appeared. It was an empty channel in any case, so I deleted it and everything is back to normal. Got the answer here https://www.macprovideo.com/forum/logic/logic-pro-express&id=10365&sid=0 which might be a useful source of info for problem solving thanks again Andy B
2009-02-28 by Andrew Brook
I think that the answer to this will be no..... Is it possible to alter the speed of a pre-recorded vocal track. I am wanting to slow a piece down by a couple of measures, without re- recording the vocals. Does anyone know whether this can be done effectively? It doesn't matter if the pitch drops as a result, I can easily change the backing track. thanks in advance Andy B
2009-02-28 by GAmoore@aol.com
thats easy to do - use the time-pitch machine editor from the audio window. You might be able to option drag an audio region too. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditre port.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3Dfebemailfoote rNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-02-28 by pete_buchwald
A cool trick in the arrange window, also, is to "option" + trim (dragging bottom right of region) on a audio or MIDI region. That will stretch it, shrink it to your desired length. Pete --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote: > > thats easy to do - use the time-pitch machine editor from the audio window. > You might be able to option drag an audio region too. > > > ************** > A Good > Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol? redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditre > port.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3Dfebemailf oote
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2009-02-28 by pete_buchwald
A cool trick in the arrange window, also, is to "option" + trim (dragging bottom right of region) on a audio or MIDI region. That will stretch it, shrink it to your desired length. Pete --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote: > > thats easy to do - use the time-pitch machine editor from the audio window. > You might be able to option drag an audio region too. > > > ************** > A Good > Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol? redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditre > port.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3Dfebemailf oote
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2009-04-07 by Gregory Anderson
Greg, or anyone else, I think I'm to the point where my need to release some music is at odds with my ability to mix or master with any competence. I know online mixing and mastering has been discussed in this forum before, but a google search shows hundreds of options ranging from just mastering for $15/song to multi-thousand dollar mixing/mastering operations. I have no idea how to pick one. Does anyone have any experience with anyone they would recommend? Unfortunately cost is a huge factor, but if I can't afford anyone better than me, there's no point in farming this out in the first place. Obviously I will listen to online demos of previous work, but don't know how that will compare to my own work and recording blemishes. I'm doing instrumental piano, flute and cello celtic-ey / new age-y / classicalesque stuff. Thoughts? Recommendations? Thanks, Gregory
On Jul 1, 2008, at 1:38 PM, GAmoore@... wrote: > There are some famous studios (e.g. Abbey Road) and famous > engineers who will > master your stuff via online submissions, and its not that > expensive. I think > the real pro's use hardware rather than software though. I suppose > you can > use the Precision series of plugs from UAudio if you want to do it > in the box, > but I feel its a specialized art and if you want it done right, you > probably > have to go to a pro. >
2009-04-07 by Andy Brook
Gregory Anderson writes: > Greg, or anyone else, I think I'm to the point where my need to > release some music is at odds with my ability to mix or master with > any competence. I know online mixing and mastering has been > discussed in this forum before, but a google search shows hundreds of > options ranging from just mastering for $15/song to multi-thousand > dollar mixing/mastering operations. I paid \ufffd100 to a guy in the UK, more or less on the offchance that he would make a better job than I could do (which wouldn't be hard) and in fairness, he did have four goes at it, but the problem was that he was interpreting what he thought I wanted to achieve, and it wasn't in the slightest bit how I wanted the mix to sound. Some parts were too high, he shoved a perfectly in tune vocal through a pitch bender to the extent that the singer sounded more mangled than Cher, and at the end of it, I had no idea whether he was any good or not, but I couldn't use the work he did. So, my suggestion to you would be to look for someone who can come and mix and master it WITH you. Failing all else stick an advert up in a college, music shop or something similar.
2009-04-08 by pete_buchwald
Airshow Mastering in Boulder, CO is very good (see the credit lists of the engineers) I have an old, 2004 CD of theirs, with before/after. I can mail you a copy if you want. Maybe they have a more current one?? David Glasser is cool, good. Dominique gets great reviews too. I'm not familiar with Jim, but I'm sure he's good too. http://www.airshowmastering.com/frame.html As for the cost issue. If the money isn't there ... it isn't there. But I, personally, wouldn't want to spend money on something that I'd have to pay AGAIN to have done properly. Maybe wait for a while, and save up some money. Pete --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Anderson <glists@...> wrote:
> > Greg, or anyone else, I think I'm to the point where my need to > release some music is at odds with my ability to mix or master with > any competence. I know online mixing and mastering has been > discussed in this forum before, but a google search shows hundreds of > options ranging from just mastering for $15/song to multi-thousand > dollar mixing/mastering operations. > > I have no idea how to pick one. Does anyone have any experience with > anyone they would recommend? Unfortunately cost is a huge factor, > but if I can't afford anyone better than me, there's no point in > farming this out in the first place. > > Obviously I will listen to online demos of previous work, but don't > know how that will compare to my own work and recording blemishes. > I'm doing instrumental piano, flute and cello celtic-ey / new age-y / > classicalesque stuff. > > Thoughts? Recommendations? > > Thanks, > > Gregory > > On Jul 1, 2008, at 1:38 PM, GAmoore@... wrote: > > > There are some famous studios (e.g. Abbey Road) and famous > > engineers who will > > master your stuff via online submissions, and its not that > > expensive. I think > > the real pro's use hardware rather than software though. I suppose > > you can > > use the Precision series of plugs from UAudio if you want to do it > > in the box, > > but I feel its a specialized art and if you want it done right, you > > probably > > have to go to a pro. > > >
2009-04-08 by pete_buchwald
Airshow Mastering in Boulder, CO is very good (see the credit lists of the engineers) I have an old, 2004 CD of theirs, with before/after. I can mail you a copy if you want. Maybe they have a more current one?? David Glasser is cool, good. Dominique gets great reviews too. I'm not familiar with Jim, but I'm sure he's good too. http://www.airshowmastering.com/frame.html As for the cost issue. If the money isn't there ... it isn't there. But I, personally, wouldn't want to spend money on something that I'd have to pay AGAIN to have done properly. Maybe wait for a while, and save up some money. Pete --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Anderson <glists@...> wrote:
> > Greg, or anyone else, I think I'm to the point where my need to > release some music is at odds with my ability to mix or master with > any competence. I know online mixing and mastering has been > discussed in this forum before, but a google search shows hundreds of > options ranging from just mastering for $15/song to multi-thousand > dollar mixing/mastering operations. > > I have no idea how to pick one. Does anyone have any experience with > anyone they would recommend? Unfortunately cost is a huge factor, > but if I can't afford anyone better than me, there's no point in > farming this out in the first place. > > Obviously I will listen to online demos of previous work, but don't > know how that will compare to my own work and recording blemishes. > I'm doing instrumental piano, flute and cello celtic-ey / new age-y / > classicalesque stuff. > > Thoughts? Recommendations? > > Thanks, > > Gregory > > On Jul 1, 2008, at 1:38 PM, GAmoore@... wrote: > > > There are some famous studios (e.g. Abbey Road) and famous > > engineers who will > > master your stuff via online submissions, and its not that > > expensive. I think > > the real pro's use hardware rather than software though. I suppose > > you can > > use the Precision series of plugs from UAudio if you want to do it > > in the box, > > but I feel its a specialized art and if you want it done right, you > > probably > > have to go to a pro. > > >
2009-04-08 by pete_buchwald
Airshow Mastering in Boulder, CO is very good (see the credit lists of the engineers) I have an old, 2004 CD of theirs, with before/after. I can mail you a copy if you want. Maybe they have a more current one?? David Glasser is cool, good. Dominique gets great reviews too. I'm not familiar with Jim, but I'm sure he's good too. http://www.airshowmastering.com/frame.html As for the cost issue. If the money isn't there ... it isn't there. But I, personally, wouldn't want to spend money on something that I'd have to pay AGAIN to have done properly. Maybe wait for a while, and save up some money. Pete --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Anderson <glists@...> wrote:
> > Greg, or anyone else, I think I'm to the point where my need to > release some music is at odds with my ability to mix or master with > any competence. I know online mixing and mastering has been > discussed in this forum before, but a google search shows hundreds of > options ranging from just mastering for $15/song to multi-thousand > dollar mixing/mastering operations. > > I have no idea how to pick one. Does anyone have any experience with > anyone they would recommend? Unfortunately cost is a huge factor, > but if I can't afford anyone better than me, there's no point in > farming this out in the first place. > > Obviously I will listen to online demos of previous work, but don't > know how that will compare to my own work and recording blemishes. > I'm doing instrumental piano, flute and cello celtic-ey / new age-y / > classicalesque stuff. > > Thoughts? Recommendations? > > Thanks, > > Gregory > > On Jul 1, 2008, at 1:38 PM, GAmoore@... wrote: > > > There are some famous studios (e.g. Abbey Road) and famous > > engineers who will > > master your stuff via online submissions, and its not that > > expensive. I think > > the real pro's use hardware rather than software though. I suppose > > you can > > use the Precision series of plugs from UAudio if you want to do it > > in the box, > > but I feel its a specialized art and if you want it done right, you > > probably > > have to go to a pro. > > >
2009-04-08 by John Kilgour
I am a mixer/masterer for TV and Film, and i also did my own rock CD and a few singles (you can see my work on iTunes, the band is H.Pylori). I can help for a good price, but you may have found someone already. John
2009-04-08 by Man Parrish
Greg, This is Man Parrish. I'm an artist, producer and remixer. I've worked on over 200 records in the past 25 years [www.ManParrish.com has my info]. Let me help out a bit. So many people get "hung up' on the mastering issue. Just like song writer may be different from a producer, mastering is different as well. But if you've already written, produced and mixed your material, you can probably master it yourself. You know what you want, you can easily figure it out. Mastering was critical back in 1980 when we had vinyl records God I'm dating myself..lol ! If you had too much bass in a record, the bass grooves would touch and the needle would literally jump out of the track. Also depending if it was a 12" inch @ 33 or 45 rpm, it would have to be mastered differently. High frequencies would clash and distort, etc.. Mastering was critical to get the best sound in ratio to the media it was delivered on. Today, we usually have digital outputs, so things are different. If you are going to vinyl, the pressing plant will usually make a "Master" anyway and you can ask to sit in on the process for an extra, usually expensive charge. If you are going digital output [cd or mp3] then you can easily do it yourself. Comes down to a few things.... First you need to no longer think in "Emotional Mix Mode" when you master. So, after you have your mix happening, you take a break. Come back another day with a clear mind and sit back objectively and say.. "As a listener, what does this track need?" Pretend you never heard it before. Is your great solo annoyingly loud? Is that cool bass part overpowering or lost under the kick drum ? Can you clearly hear the vocals? Does the track have the punch you want, or opposite the loud and soft dynamics your trying to portray? Then you can objectively tweak your mix BEFORE mastering it. Our ears get stressed during long mixes and literally need to rest before mastering. I can't emphasize that enough ! If you master right after mixing, you'll wind up with sh*t. I know, I did stupid stuff like that in my past and learned fast. Nothing like chewing up your profit in a remix, by having to go back and re-master at MY expense, not the labels, because I didn't let me ears rest. Please don't forget this ! So, mastering today IS technical, but is also a last chance effort to "fix" elements you probably missed while you were "emotionally" involved with the mix. We all want to show off our cool riff we did. but does the public REALLY care? They probably just want a good clear track to listen to so they can get into your music. You only have a few minutes to turn people on to your music with a first listen. Take an unemotional approach. I never mix and master in the same day. If I have to, I take an hour or two break. So for your output formats, you always have to consider your material. Is it classical or ambient where soft and loud is important. Or is it electro, house or pop, where loud and "flat in your face" gives it punch.. Think about that for a minute. What are you portraying with your sound. Punch and pop, quiet and dynamic, etc? That will give you a basis to start your mastering. What's your output format for delivery? - Mp3 adds a few things to your mixdown. Less dynamic range because of the format. That range also largely depends on the "mp3 rate" you choose when compressing. [higher = better, but has larger files to up and download] MP3 format usually compresses the audio a bit [like a compressor] and artificially adds some bass and high end to make up for the compression artifacts. Don't let this info confuse you, it will help you in the end if you understand this. I sometimes love the MP3 result. Not as "clear" dynamically, but tight & punchy for ipod dance mixes. Look you do an amazing recording job at 96k, 24 bit beautiful sound and WTF, it winds up as an mp3 on iTunes or your website anyway..lol - CDs [aiff, wav or SD formats] have more room for dynamics, ie: soft & loud. But it also shows the flaws of your mix. Here too mastering can 'patch' things up a little, but not much. If your mix sucks, probably your master will too. You can add EQ and compression, but only so much will help. If it's not there, then back to the mix to fix it ! Better the mix, better the mastering. If you are mastering for tv, video, film, or surround it's best to take it to a pro as they know the needs of their particular formats. I would suggest you try mastering yourself. Logic has good basic tools with the adaptive limiter, multipressor and the peak limiter. Watch your output levels and LISTEN unemotionally to your mix. I can't stress that more. Pretend it's your first time hearing it. >>Don't listen to the composition, listen to the OVERALL sound spectrum !!<< It's a different way of thinking, thats all ! Is it punchy? Can you hear the lead vocal or instrument. Are the highs annoying or need a boost? Logic has some built in presets in the mastering tools to play with. Just because you're not doing hip hop, doesn't mean that setting won't work for you. Try them all, watch your output levels [NEVER peak red] and do some sample mixes. Mix for CD and then Mix for MP3. I do one or two "save as" copies of your project for cd & mp3 mix as I often have to change mix levels t suit the format. That's an advantage over sending it out for mastering, because you can bring up the vocal or drums if needed in one format and not the other. You will have one mix for CD and one you made into and MP3 for that format. Take those mixes and play them on your MP3 on your iPod, CD in your car, on your stereo, on your friends stereo, on your mac speakers, in your headphones. That's how others will be hearing it. Does it sound good, or is that vocal or punch overbearing or are you loosing syllables in the voice track across all formats? If you you have a MIX problem, not a mastering problem. And guess what, its FREE to go back and fix it ! It's NORMAL to do a few mixes until you get it down. Damn, I still do a few at times, and I've been doing this crap for 25 years... lol @ Here's the old skool way of thinking. You basically have 3 "ZONES" for mixing in the audio spectrum. Low, Mid and High. The human brain can process a lot of info in each area, but if any one area gets too 'crowded' we seem to have trouble focusing on the mix as a whole. If your guitar, strings and vocals are all competing in the mid range, you have to make a decision, what;s most important. Is that vocal critical to the song [and not your ego] or is the groove and riff the meat of the song and make it work? Same goes for bass and the drums. Will the punch and the groove carry the track more than the bimbo singing it..lol? Keeping a non emotional mindset with help you really LISTEN to what's there. I come back the next day or two to master. A little 'dabbling' and listening again will start to make sense. Look you can spend $1000 mastering, and NOT get what you want. Doing it yourself is FREE and you can try more than once for no extra charge. Chances are you'll get something you like if not a great master. The only time I send out for mastering is vinyl, surround or film and even then I do a VERY LIGHT mastering for levels and leave the EQ to the professionals in that particular format. Just like you learned Logic, learning mastering is an art, but not that complicated. But remember this is an artform and not a dry science, so the old saying goes here as well.."Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one"..lol [including my own opinion here as well] What that really means is, follow your heart, you'll know when its right.. Let me know if you guys have any questions. Hope this helps ! Best of luck! -Man Parrish http://www.ManParrish.com --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Anderson <glists@...> wrote:
> > Greg, or anyone else, I think I'm to the point where my need to > release some music is at odds with my ability to mix or master with > any competence. I know online mixing and mastering has been > discussed in this forum before, but a google search shows hundreds of > options ranging from just mastering for $15/song to multi-thousand > dollar mixing/mastering operations. > > I have no idea how to pick one. Does anyone have any experience with > anyone they would recommend? Unfortunately cost is a huge factor, > but if I can't afford anyone better than me, there's no point in > farming this out in the first place. > > Obviously I will listen to online demos of previous work, but don't > know how that will compare to my own work and recording blemishes. > I'm doing instrumental piano, flute and cello celtic-ey / new age-y / > classicalesque stuff. > > Thoughts? Recommendations? > > Thanks, > > Gregory > > On Jul 1, 2008, at 1:38 PM, GAmoore@... wrote: > > > There are some famous studios (e.g. Abbey Road) and famous > > engineers who will > > master your stuff via online submissions, and its not that > > expensive. I think > > the real pro's use hardware rather than software though. I suppose > > you can > > use the Precision series of plugs from UAudio if you want to do it > > in the box, > > but I feel its a specialized art and if you want it done right, you > > probably > > have to go to a pro. > > >
2009-04-08 by GAmoore@aol.com
It always seemed strange to me how mastering engineers would have extremely expensive equipment and speakers to tweak things - but almost no listenter of music has that quality of stuff to listen to the music on. I think two things can help home mastering... one of the various multi-meter plug ins (Logic has a built-in one, but there are 3rd party ones too like Elemental Audio, or Waves Paz). The other thing is to go to the thrift store and buy some cheap computer speakers from 10 years ago. If your mix sounds good on those, and your car stereo and your home stereo then there seems little to worry about.
2009-04-08 by Andy Brook
Man Parrish writes: > Greg, > > This is Man Parrish. I'm an artist, producer and remixer. I've worked on over 200 records in the past 25 years [www.ManParrish.com has my info]. Let me help out a bit. > > I'm not Greg, but very grateful to read what you had to say. Now if you could only teach me how to get realistic bass grooves on a keyboard and how to create a good schlager beat, I'd be home and dry :-) I have tried some of the techniques you mentioned, and sometimes you need to come back weeks later to find that something you thought was cool and original is actually naff as all hell, but the biggest problem for me is that what sounds good as an MP3 can sound terrible on a home stereo whereas when you buy a cd, you don't get that difference. Andy B
2009-04-08 by Man Parrish
Funny you mention that! Every old skool studio had their massive speaker rig and on top of the mixing board, we had the Aurosonic Mini Speakers to simulate small car and home speakers. The idea was to get you mix to sound as good as possible on BOTH systems. Great advice ! -Man Parrish --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:
> > It always seemed strange to me how mastering engineers would have > extremely expensive equipment and speakers to tweak things - but almost > no listenter of music has that quality of stuff to listen to the music > on. I think two things can help home mastering... one of the various > multi-meter plug ins (Logic has a built-in one, but there are 3rd party > ones too like Elemental Audio, or Waves Paz). The other thing is to go > to the thrift store and buy some cheap computer speakers from 10 years > ago. If your mix sounds good on those, and your car stereo and your > home stereo then there seems little to worry about. >
2009-04-08 by Man Parrish
Hey Andy, About the grooves.... The new version of Ableton Live has some great groves you can drag and drop on BOTH midi and audio. Also, if there is a groove and or timing you like from another record, track or sample, you just drop the audio or midi file on the groove area, it analyzes it, and stores it for future use on any other midi or audio file ! I think Logic has a groove generator system, but the Ableton Live 8 version [free demo aval] is MAJOR and easy to tweak. I use it to fix vocal timing all the time. The difference you notice between your mix and cd's, is that cd's are already mastered and "flattened" at the pressing plant which makes it easier for the MP3 algorithms to convert to mp3, when you convert a commercial cd over to mp3. [less work for the algorithm, more definition] Thus a more even sound. That's why I usually suggest doing a CD and an MP3 mix separately.. if you're not professionally mastering.. --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Brook" <bbgrove@...> wrote:
> > Man Parrish writes: > > > Greg, > > > > This is Man Parrish. I'm an artist, producer and remixer. I've worked on over 200 records in the past 25 years [www.ManParrish.com has my info]. Let me help out a bit. > > > > > > I'm not Greg, but very grateful to read what you had to say. Now if you > could only teach me how to get realistic bass grooves on a keyboard and how > to create a good schlager beat, I'd be home and dry :-) > > I have tried some of the techniques you mentioned, and sometimes you need to > come back weeks later to find that something you thought was cool and > original is actually naff as all hell, but the biggest problem for me is > that what sounds good as an MP3 can sound terrible on a home stereo whereas > when you buy a cd, you don't get that difference. > > Andy B >
2009-04-12 by Lucas, Bryan
I've been tinkering with the organ sounds for a while now, but just not satisfied with them. Using out of the box sounds, what is the best way (preset or custom) to get a Hammond B3 / Leslie combo sound? If there isn't anything good out of the box, what aftermarket do you recommend? I've you're not sure what I'm looking for, play the chord sound button on the right of this wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond_organ Leslie speaker here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_speaker Thanks, Bryan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-04-12 by Steve Currington
Why tinker and make your own using Sculpture? You can make almost anything you like there and also make it to your own needs/ satisfaction?? Stephen Currington de Composer Wellington, New Zealand On 12/04/2009, at 1:35 PM, Lucas, Bryan wrote: > > > I've been tinkering with the organ sounds for a while now, but just > not satisfied with them. Using out of the box sounds, what is the > best way (preset or custom) to get a Hammond B3 / Leslie combo > sound? If there isn't anything good out of the box, what aftermarket > do you recommend? > > I've you're not sure what I'm looking for, play the chord sound > button on the right of this wiki page: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond_organ > > Leslie speaker here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_speaker > > Thanks, > Bryan > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-04-12 by HKC
From: Lucas, Bryan I've been tinkering with the organ sounds for a while now, but just not satisfied with them. Using out of the box sounds, what is the best way (preset or custom) to get a Hammond B3 / Leslie combo sound? If there isn't anything good out of the box, what aftermarket do you recommend? There are certain problems that all Rhodes/Hammonds/Wurlies have to deal with. One is of course the actual emulation of the original but I find the the real deal is often so modded that it's not really possible to actually determine when they sound real or not and I for one have always been able to find a solution with Logic's internal shot at the B3 (I used to use the Native B4 but simply stopped using it at some point). Another more important factor I find is the amplication, not unlike that of recording guitars. While amp simulators are fine for fast tracking they are rarely as good as a real amp, not even a semi bad one. Of course you have to have stomp boxes and all that jazz as well when recording guitars so it's quite expensive to replace the simulator of your choice but in the case of an organ I would try to just run it through an amp. Everything sounds much more organic like that, and of course they also get one step closer to "how it was originally done". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-04-12 by Lucas, Bryan
When you said " been able to find a solution with Logic's internal shot at the B3 (I used to use the Native B4" where do I find those two sounds specifically? What built in amp simulator setting would you suggest? Bryan Lucas Executive Director Technology Resources (817) 257-7682
From: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of HKC Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:39 AM To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Hammond B3 / Leslie From: Lucas, Bryan I've been tinkering with the organ sounds for a while now, but just not satisfied with them. Using out of the box sounds, what is the best way (preset or custom) to get a Hammond B3 / Leslie combo sound? If there isn't anything good out of the box, what aftermarket do you recommend? There are certain problems that all Rhodes/Hammonds/Wurlies have to deal with. One is of course the actual emulation of the original but I find the the real deal is often so modded that it's not really possible to actually determine when they sound real or not and I for one have always been able to find a solution with Logic's internal shot at the B3 (I used to use the Native B4 but simply stopped using it at some point). Another more important factor I find is the amplication, not unlike that of recording guitars. While amp simulators are fine for fast tracking they are rarely as good as a real amp, not even a semi bad one. Of course you have to have stomp boxes and all that jazz as well when recording guitars so it's quite expensive to replace the simulator of your choice but in the case of an organ I would try to just run it through an amp. Everything sounds much more organic like that, and of course they also get one step closer to "how it was originally done". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-04-12 by HKC
Bryan Lucas wrote: When you said " been able to find a solution with Logic's internal shot at the B3 (I used to use the Native B4" where do I find those two sounds specifically? What built in amp simulator setting would you suggest? I don't use presets much so I can't refer to a specific one. I usually find somthing "in the ballpark" and then mess with it. B4 is a Hammond simulator-plugin from Native Instruments that many people like. My point was that amp simulators in my opinion don´t do the trick as well as the real thing so I usually use a guitar amp. On pre-recording sessions I use Logics own amp simulator a lot but Logics B3 already have something like that built into it but you could try to add that to the audio chain. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-04-13 by paulnajar
--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Lucas, Bryan" <b.lucas@...> wrote: > > I've been tinkering with the organ sounds for a while now, but just not satisfied with them. Using out of the box sounds, what is the best way (preset or custom) to get a Hammond B3 / Leslie combo sound? If there isn't anything good out of the box, what aftermarket do you recommend? > > I've you're not sure what I'm looking for, play the chord sound button on the right of this wiki page: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammond_organ > > Leslie speaker here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_speaker Have you used Logic's EVB3? It's an excellent B3 & Leslie model It's the only organ you'll need...