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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Digest Number 32

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Digest Number 32

2005-01-09 by Chris Ryan

On Jan 9, 2005, at 12:51 PM, Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> It seems like Apple is always overhyping their stuff.

This is true. But ...

> I recall them running
> tv ads 1.5 years ago saying that they had the first 64 bit processor 
> and it was
> so powerful it could not be exported to certain countries.

I recall the export hype with respect to the original G4. However, 
64-bit addressing was a bit overhyped: Apple seems to be saying now 
that 64-bit apps aren't for every application.

> And now we're
> still waiting for that integration. In the same way, OS X was supposed 
> to have all
> these great features, and never crashes (it does),

My experience only, but it's crashed only twice on me since 2001, with 
heavy daily use at work and home.

> easier to maintain (it isn't),

I strongly disagree here. System 6-7 and OS 8-9 were a nightmare of 
INIT conflicts, software clashes, etc.

> faster (most definitely not),

My perspective on this is that the user interface is slower (though 
this isn't noticeable at all on newer hardware); but the OS itself is 
significantly faster. The simplest example of this is that the whole 
system doesn't grind to a stop when you open a menu.

> etc. And going further back, when the
> powerpc came out 1994, they had to re-write the OS (I think it was 
> 7.5)... but
> years later in 8 and 9 they were still talking about 68000 code that 
> was just then
> being converted to PowerPC code.

I read that the real innovation of those systems was that they were the 
first operating systems to use emulation to run portions of themselves, 
quite a feat.


Chris

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Digest Number 32

2005-01-09 by GAmoore@aol.com

My experience only, but it's crashed only twice on me since 2001, with
heavy daily use at work and home.



Thanks for your comments Chris. It seems many people have similar good experiences to yours. I have three macs with X (Tibook 550, Ibook G3/900, and G4/1.25 tower), and I have had crashes and freezes on all of them - albeit not as often as in 9.


> easier to maintain (it isn't),

I strongly disagree here. System 6-7 and OS 8-9 were a nightmare of
INIT conflicts, software clashes, etc.



Thats true, and there was the need to organize extension sets. But in terms of maintence, there are a number of things that can and must be done - but you need to read books or articles to even find these things.


> faster (most definitely not),

My perspective on this is that the user interface is slower (though
this isn't noticeable at all on newer hardware); but the OS itself is
significantly faster. The simplest example of this is that the whole
system doesn't grind to a stop when you open a menu.


I thought 9 had much snappier response, windows opening, etc. Although I don't like Windows, I am running an application that I wrote (non music applicaion using Real Basic) on both X and Windows and its tons faster on Windows. Its somewhat understandable that the cool graphics in X take a toll, but I wonder about that toll taking away from audio processing. On NI's plugs, if you look on the box, it says 500mhz requirement for 9 and 733 for X. So that seems to indicate that about 32% more of the processing power is devoted the GUI (graphic user interface).

I also read an article last month, although I can't find it now, but it was written by one of the original guys who developed the mac, and he was complaining about Apple's turn toward pretty but inefficient code.

But what can you do? We pretty much are at the mercy of MS & Apple.

RE: [Logic_Cafe] Digest Number 32

2005-01-10 by Kamm Schreiner

> I thought 9 had much snappier response, windows opening, etc. 
> Although I don't like Windows, I am running an application 
> that I wrote (non music application using Real Basic) on both 
> X and Windows and its tons faster on Windows.

Well, it is a small world. I happen to be developing a program using
REALbasic. (I'm a software developer, but it is not music related.)

Yes, Window's UI is much more responsive.

Kamm

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