Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

I want to gradually fade in 8 vocal tracks (a choir) at the beginning  
of my song.  My first thought is to route them all through a bus and  
fade the bus in.  However, I can't figure out how to get my busses on  
to the arrange window so I can apply track automation.   I then  
thought of routing them through an aux, but my auxes don't show up in  
the output drop down on my channel strips.   I'd rather not put in  
the same volume automation for 8 tracks, as the tweaking would get a  
bit cumbersome.  Is there a solution out there?

Thanks,

Gregory

Hey Greg,

There's a very easy way.  Select the latch automation mode on that bus  
and it will appear instantly in your arrangement.  If it doesn't  
(which would surprise me), select that aux/bus you want to automate in  
the mixer environment, and make sure that its icon box is checked in  
the inspector, after that go to arrange, make a blank track and select  
your bus on it.

Laurent

Le 22-déc.-08 à 04:40, Gregory Anderson a écrit :

> I want to gradually fade in 8 vocal tracks (a choir) at the beginning
> of my song. My first thought is to route them all through a bus and
> fade the bus in. However, I can't figure out how to get my busses on
> to the arrange window so I can apply track automation. I then
> thought of routing them through an aux, but my auxes don't show up in
> the output drop down on my channel strips. I'd rather not put in
> the same volume automation for 8 tracks, as the tweaking would get a
> bit cumbersome. Is there a solution out there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gregory
>
> 



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Right click on the track in the mix window in the middle (vertically speaking), a pop-up 
gives the option to create an arrange track.  I do this all the time with group busses and 
the master fader for the very same reason you're wanting to do it.

Pete

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Anderson <glists@...> wrote:

>
> I want to gradually fade in 8 vocal tracks (a choir) at the beginning  
> of my song.  My first thought is to route them all through a bus and  
> fade the bus in.  However, I can't figure out how to get my busses on  
> to the arrange window so I can apply track automation.   I then  
> thought of routing them through an aux, but my auxes don't show up in  
> the output drop down on my channel strips.   I'd rather not put in  
> the same volume automation for 8 tracks, as the tweaking would get a  
> bit cumbersome.  Is there a solution out there?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gregory
>

I have a dialog track from a film that I am mixing.  All of the  
scenes for the film were exported as 1 track - for 90 minutes.  I  
need to EQ different scenes - now, here is the question:  Do I need  
to break the track into different channels to have diffent EQ  
settings for each scene, or is there a way I can keep the audio all  
on this one track, and have each scene EQ'ed sperately.  Does my  
question make sense??

John

is this eq only?  If using more than 8 different eq settings it's not  
recommended to put them all on the same audio track and automate the  
bypass function.  This is what you want to do right?  Well ok, but the  
more plug-ins you use on the same channel, the more you will get  
confused.

Take care
Laurent



Le 23-déc.-08 à 15:45, John Kilgour a écrit :

> I have a dialog track from a film that I am mixing. All of the
> scenes for the film were exported as 1 track - for 90 minutes. I
> need to EQ different scenes - now, here is the question: Do I need
> to break the track into different channels to have diffent EQ
> settings for each scene, or is there a way I can keep the audio all
> on this one track, and have each scene EQ'ed sperately. Does my
> question make sense??
>
> John
>
>
> 



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I just took a quick look. I am by far no Logic expert but you can split the audio into sections and move them to separate tracks and then EQ them separately. 

John Too



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From: John Kilgour <john@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:45:21 AM
Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Logic Question---


I have a dialog track from a film that I am mixing.  All of the 
scenes for the film were exported as 1 track - for 90 minutes.  I 
need to EQ different scenes - now, here is the question:  Do I need 
to break the track into different channels to have diffent EQ 
settings for each scene, or is there a way I can keep the audio all 
on this one track, and have each scene EQ'ed sperately.  Does my 
question make sense??

John

    

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John,

You can automate your EQ so that the settings change along the timeline.
You might find it simpler, though, to break the scenes out onto different
tracks with their own EQ plugs. The first approach is a little trickier to
set up, but is less processor- and disk-intensive. The second approach will
be easy to set up, but will be more taxing on your system resources. But if
you have decent hardware, and not a lot of other plugins or tracks going,
it should be fine either way.

Skip


On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:45:21 -0500, John Kilgour <john@...> wrote:
> I have a dialog track from a film that I am mixing.  All of the
> scenes for the film were exported as 1 track - for 90 minutes.  I
> need to EQ different scenes - now, here is the question:  Do I need
> to break the track into different channels to have diffent EQ
> settings for each scene, or is there a way I can keep the audio all
> on this one track, and have each scene EQ'ed sperately.  Does my
> question make sense??
> 
> John
-- 

"You can't have everything - where would you put it?" -- Steven Wright

I was going to make a different channel for each scene, but was  
wondering if I could leave it on on 1.  What you suggest is probably  
what I will do, but for some reason I thought i could leave it all on  
1 channel strip, and apply diff. EQ's as needed.  i know, it sounds  
confusing...


On Dec 23, 2008, at 10:42 AM, John Watkins wrote:

> I just took a quick look. I am by far no Logic expert but you can  
> split the audio into sections and move them to separate tracks and  
> then EQ them separately.
>
> John Too
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Kilgour <john@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:45:21 AM
> Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Logic Question---
>
> I have a dialog track from a film that I am mixing. All of the
> scenes for the film were exported as 1 track - for 90 minutes. I
> need to EQ different scenes - now, here is the question: Do I need
> to break the track into different channels to have diffent EQ
> settings for each scene, or is there a way I can keep the audio all
> on this one track, and have each scene EQ'ed sperately. Does my
> question make sense??
>
> John
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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The first approach is exactly what I would like to do.  I don't mind  
reading the manual on how to do it, but where to start?  Look up  
"automation"?

On Dec 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Skip Leeds wrote:

>
> John,
>
> You can automate your EQ so that the settings change along the  
> timeline.
> You might find it simpler, though, to break the scenes out onto  
> different
> tracks with their own EQ plugs. The first approach is a little  
> trickier to
> set up, but is less processor- and disk-intensive. The second  
> approach will
> be easy to set up, but will be more taxing on your system  
> resources. But if
> you have decent hardware, and not a lot of other plugins or tracks  
> going,
> it should be fine either way.
>
> Skip
>
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:45:21 -0500, John Kilgour <john@...>  
> wrote:
> > I have a dialog track from a film that I am mixing. All of the
> > scenes for the film were exported as 1 track - for 90 minutes. I
> > need to EQ different scenes - now, here is the question: Do I need
> > to break the track into different channels to have diffent EQ
> > settings for each scene, or is there a way I can keep the audio all
> > on this one track, and have each scene EQ'ed sperately. Does my
> > question make sense??
> >
> > John
> -- 
>
> "You can't have everything - where would you put it?" -- Steven Wright
>
>
> 



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I think it would be easier to cut and copy the audio to different tracks, and have dedicated 
EQs on each channel.  Make the output of all those channels Bus 1 (for example) and use 
that as your master vocal track.  

If for some reason, you choose to automate the track.  Select the track in the arrange 
window (it will turn grey in the name area), then press the letter A on the keyboard.  The 
defualt is volume, but hold the mouse on that area and you can navigate to EQ/Bypass.  
That's what I would automate, not the individual bands of frequencies, too confusing.  
Once you draw in automation by clicking dots and dragging in the arrange view the 
automation setting will change automatically from "off" to "read."  

I've automated a "bypass" plenty of times, but it's usually just once on a track, if it was 
much more complicated I'd probably split it out to multiple tracks.

Pete

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, John Kilgour <john@...> wrote:

>
> The first approach is exactly what I would like to do.  I don't mind  
> reading the manual on how to do it, but where to start?  Look up  
> "automation"?
> 
> On Dec 23, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Skip Leeds wrote:
> 
> >
> > John,
> >
> > You can automate your EQ so that the settings change along the  
> > timeline.
> > You might find it simpler, though, to break the scenes out onto  
> > different
> > tracks with their own EQ plugs. The first approach is a little  
> > trickier to
> > set up, but is less processor- and disk-intensive. The second  
> > approach will
> > be easy to set up, but will be more taxing on your system  
> > resources. But if
> > you have decent hardware, and not a lot of other plugins or tracks  
> > going,
> > it should be fine either way.
> >
> > Skip
> >
> > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:45:21 -0500, John Kilgour <john@...>  
> > wrote:
> > > I have a dialog track from a film that I am mixing. All of the
> > > scenes for the film were exported as 1 track - for 90 minutes. I
> > > need to EQ different scenes - now, here is the question: Do I need
> > > to break the track into different channels to have diffent EQ
> > > settings for each scene, or is there a way I can keep the audio all
> > > on this one track, and have each scene EQ'ed sperately. Does my
> > > question make sense??
> > >
> > > John
> > -- 
> >
> > "You can't have everything - where would you put it?" -- Steven Wright
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I generally dedicate 8 tracks for production sound. I set these up as roughly as 1 - main 
shot, 2 med two shot, 3 CU, 4 CU. This usually covers the bases. Tracks 5-6 I use for fills 
and fades when I can't get a good clean cross-fade on a single track. Track seven is my 
X-track (the stuff I cut out) and track 8 is the work track from the video file itself or the 
long master file which I use as a sync reference. I split out this way because I find the eq 
needed for all the master shots in the scene tend to be the same or nearly the same. 
Likewise with the medium shots and close ups.

I've built a whole set of key commands using a Belkin Nostromo just for this type of work. 
If you are new to Logic you might try Soundtrack Pro. Its part of the Logic Pro 8 package. It 
runs a lot more like a video NLE and has a very focused tool set.

There is an excellent book on this topic called Dialog Editing for Motion Pictures by John 
Purcell from Focal Press

Good Luck!

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Bvba Iceberg Productions- Laurent <lvee1@...> 
wrote:

>
> is this eq only?  If using more than 8 different eq settings it's not  
> recommended to put them all on the same audio track and automate the  
> bypass function.  This is what you want to do right?  Well ok, but the  
> more plug-ins you use on the same channel, the more you will get  
> confused.
> 
> Take care
> Laurent
> 
> 
> 
> Le 23-déc.-08 à 15:45, John Kilgour a écrit :
> 
> > I have a dialog track from a film that I am mixing. All of the
> > scenes for the film were exported as 1 track - for 90 minutes. I
> > need to EQ different scenes - now, here is the question: Do I need
> > to break the track into different channels to have diffent EQ
> > settings for each scene, or is there a way I can keep the audio all
> > on this one track, and have each scene EQ'ed sperately. Does my
> > question make sense??
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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>