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Which Souncards/Converters

Which Souncards/Converters

2009-01-01 by HKC

Some time soon (ish) I will upgrade my system and this time I will have to include my soundcard and my converters. Currently I have a RME9652 and 16 I/Os of Swissonics ancient but rather nice converters. The new RME ADI-8 QS only has 8 samples of conversion latency which is 36 better than what I have now and 10 times as good as many which sounds tempting. Along with their Raydat card it seems like a pretty good combo. The Apogee Symphony has pretty much the same specs but no lightpipe and slightly more expensive.
What beats me though is that there seem to be a total lack of competition in that price range, is that really so or have I overlooked something.

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RE: [Logic_Cafe] Which Souncards/Converters

2009-01-01 by Lucas, Bryan

Maybe this is a dumb question, but I'm fairly new to all of this.  So I have a PreSonus Firebox audio interface connected to a current generation MacBook Pro via Firewire.  I get no delay when using a real instrument (guitar, vocals) but do get a very slight delay when using a keyboard connected through the interface via MIDI.

Is using a laptop (i.e. integrated sound card) a poor way to do this?  It sure is more convenient to have it all in one laptop rather than a tower/monitor.
Why do I keep hearing and reading about upgrading sound cards to get rid of delay?  Is the sound card the only bottleneck or at least the most likely?
Is it possible to get delay to a truly imperceptible amount and if so, is that only accomplished with a Mac Pro tower w/ some high-end sound card or can it be done with a laptop?

Thanks,
BL
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Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Which Souncards/Converters


Some time soon (ish) I will upgrade my system and this time I will have to include my soundcard and my converters. Currently I have a RME9652 and 16 I/Os of Swissonics ancient but rather nice converters. The new RME ADI-8 QS only has 8 samples of conversion latency which is 36 better than what I have now and 10 times as good as many which sounds tempting. Along with their Raydat card it seems like a pretty good combo. The Apogee Symphony has pretty much the same specs but no lightpipe and slightly more expensive.
What beats me though is that there seem to be a total lack of competition in that price range, is that really so or have I overlooked something.

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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Which Souncards/Converters

2009-01-01 by Tim McLane

Try the resetting latency settings in preferences.
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  From: Lucas, Bryan 
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  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:00 PM
  Subject: RE: [Logic_Cafe] Which Souncards/Converters


  Maybe this is a dumb question, but I'm fairly new to all of this. So I have a PreSonus Firebox audio interface connected to a current generation MacBook Pro via Firewire. I get no delay when using a real instrument (guitar, vocals) but do get a very slight delay when using a keyboard connected through the interface via MIDI.

  Is using a laptop (i.e. integrated sound card) a poor way to do this? It sure is more convenient to have it all in one laptop rather than a tower/monitor.
  Why do I keep hearing and reading about upgrading sound cards to get rid of delay? Is the sound card the only bottleneck or at least the most likely?
  Is it possible to get delay to a truly imperceptible amount and if so, is that only accomplished with a Mac Pro tower w/ some high-end sound card or can it be done with a laptop?

  Thanks,
  BL

  From: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of HKC
  Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:40 PM
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Which Souncards/Converters

  Some time soon (ish) I will upgrade my system and this time I will have to include my soundcard and my converters. Currently I have a RME9652 and 16 I/Os of Swissonics ancient but rather nice converters. The new RME ADI-8 QS only has 8 samples of conversion latency which is 36 better than what I have now and 10 times as good as many which sounds tempting. Along with their Raydat card it seems like a pretty good combo. The Apogee Symphony has pretty much the same specs but no lightpipe and slightly more expensive.
  What beats me though is that there seem to be a total lack of competition in that price range, is that really so or have I overlooked something.

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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Which Souncards/Converters

2009-01-02 by Paul Najar

On 02/01/2009, at 7:00 AM, Lucas, Bryan wrote:

> Maybe this is a dumb question, but I'm fairly new to all of this.   
> So I have a PreSonus Firebox audio interface connected to a current  
> generation MacBook Pro via Firewire.  I get no delay when using a  
> real instrument (guitar, vocals) but do get a very slight delay when  
> using a keyboard connected through the interface via MIDI.
>
> Is using a laptop (i.e. integrated sound card) a poor way to do  
> this?  It sure is more convenient to have it all in one laptop  
> rather than a tower/monitor.
> Why do I keep hearing and reading about upgrading sound cards to get  
> rid of delay?  Is the sound card the only bottleneck or at least the  
> most likely?
> Is it possible to get delay to a truly imperceptible amount and if  
> so, is that only accomplished with a Mac Pro tower w/ some high-end  
> sound card or can it be done with a lapto

It's probably because in the firebox mixer application you have audio  
inputs set up for zero latency monitoring (audio input gets fed  
straight to audio output) but when you're triggering a virtual  
instrument via midi you have no choice other than to wait for logic to  
output the sound - thus some delay.

Check your audio buffer in Logic. I'll hazard a guess and say that it  
is set to something like 256 or higher. Your set up is powerful enough  
that you could have this setting on 128 or even 64. This will minimise  
delay (latency) when triggering virtual instruments.

In general, your system is extremely useful and quite powerful. The  
Firebox is a good value decent performing interface. I suggest you try  
all the things I mention above - and fully understand them - before  
you consider spending any money on changing anything. About the only  
purchase I can think of that may help you is getting 4 GB of ram  
(maximum) in your mac book pro if you don't already have that.

Good luck!


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Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
www.jaminajar.com




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RE: [Logic_Cafe] Which Souncards/Converters

2009-01-02 by Lucas, Bryan

Thanks for the suggestions, will see what I can figure out/learn.

BL
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On 02/01/2009, at 7:00 AM, Lucas, Bryan wrote:

> Maybe this is a dumb question, but I'm fairly new to all of this.
> So I have a PreSonus Firebox audio interface connected to a current
> generation MacBook Pro via Firewire. I get no delay when using a
> real instrument (guitar, vocals) but do get a very slight delay when
> using a keyboard connected through the interface via MIDI.
>
> Is using a laptop (i.e. integrated sound card) a poor way to do
> this? It sure is more convenient to have it all in one laptop
> rather than a tower/monitor.
> Why do I keep hearing and reading about upgrading sound cards to get
> rid of delay? Is the sound card the only bottleneck or at least the
> most likely?
> Is it possible to get delay to a truly imperceptible amount and if
> so, is that only accomplished with a Mac Pro tower w/ some high-end
> sound card or can it be done with a lapto

It's probably because in the firebox mixer application you have audio
inputs set up for zero latency monitoring (audio input gets fed
straight to audio output) but when you're triggering a virtual
instrument via midi you have no choice other than to wait for logic to
output the sound - thus some delay.

Check your audio buffer in Logic. I'll hazard a guess and say that it
is set to something like 256 or higher. Your set up is powerful enough
that you could have this setting on 128 or even 64. This will minimise
delay (latency) when triggering virtual instruments.

In general, your system is extremely useful and quite powerful. The
Firebox is a good value decent performing interface. I suggest you try
all the things I mention above - and fully understand them - before
you consider spending any money on changing anything. About the only
purchase I can think of that may help you is getting 4 GB of ram
(maximum) in your mac book pro if you don't already have that.

Good luck!

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Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
www.jaminajar.com

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