Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

I'm brand new to Logic and I'm hitting my first "wall." I want to edit an audio drumset loop - not the file attributes per se, but the actual pattern being played - so that the loop better fits the song I'm working on.
Is this possible? If so, how do I do this? Can an audio loop be converted to a midi file so that I can edit it like I would a midi drumset loop (which I DID figure out how to do)?

No audio can not easily be returned to Midi. Logic does have an 
audio-to-score function but I used it again recently and found it 
completely worthless. Even if it did work, i would give you a bunch of 
midi notes, and you would not have the original sounds that made the 
loop so you would not be able to edit it.

You do these things though :
- use FLEX to or simply cut the loop into 16th notes using the 
scissors, and then re-arrange or copy the parts as you see fit. These 
will then adjust to different tempos too.
- you can use Recycle to make midi and little samples, and then you can 
put that in EXS24.
- you can choose a midi loop instead of an audio loop, then have all 
the editability you want.

-----Original Message-----
From: stratjackson <john@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:26 pm
Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Edit Apple audio loop?

 
I'm brand new to Logic and I'm hitting my first "wall." I want to edit 
an audio drumset loop - not the file attributes per se, but the actual 
pattern being played - so that the loop better fits the song I'm 
working on.
Is this possible? If so, how do I do this? Can an audio loop be 
converted to a midi file so that I can edit it like I would a midi 
drumset loop (which I DID figure out how to do)?

Does anyone know how to open a Protools file in Logic? I have some 
protools files someone gave me but they dont seem to open at all. Is 
there some way to convert to OMF files?

Greg

I thoughtLogic just read them and inserted them.. have you tried..
I recall using them once and they just  opened and the tracks got propagated within Logic.


Steve

On 15/03/2010, at 9:13 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> Does anyone know how to open a Protools file in Logic? I have some 
> protools files someone gave me but they dont seem to open at all. Is 
> there some way to convert to OMF files?
> 
> Greg
> 
> 



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Just a thought.. 
I had a feeling that Melodyne with DNA now had the ability to take polyphonic audio and  export as some form of Midi but I have no idea as I don't have my copy yet but I recall reading about that somewhere.

Also There is a product out there called Audioscore Ultimate that can read polyphonic music and convert it into notation (which means into midi.)  
http://www.neuratron.com/audioscore.htm

I have an LE version that comes with Sibelius and only handles Monphonic and it works surprisingly well.. Again I have not upgraed to the Un ltimate version for the Polyphony  but have been tempted a few times.

Steve


On 15/03/2010, at 9:11 PM, GAmoore@aol.com wrote:

> No audio can not easily be returned to Midi. Logic does have an 
> audio-to-score function but I used it again recently and found it 
> completely worthless. Even if it did work, i would give you a bunch of 
> midi notes, and you would not have the original sounds that made the 
> loop so you would not be able to edit it.
> 
> You do these things though :
> - use FLEX to or simply cut the loop into 16th notes using the 
> scissors, and then re-arrange or copy the parts as you see fit. These 
> will then adjust to different tempos too.
> - you can use Recycle to make midi and little samples, and then you can 
> put that in EXS24.
> - you can choose a midi loop instead of an audio loop, then have all 
> the editability you want.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stratjackson <john@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:26 pm
> Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Edit Apple audio loop?
> 
>  
> I'm brand new to Logic and I'm hitting my first "wall." I want to edit 
> an audio drumset loop - not the file attributes per se, but the actual 
> pattern being played - so that the loop better fits the song I'm 
> working on.
> Is this possible? If so, how do I do this? Can an audio loop be 
> converted to a midi file so that I can edit it like I would a midi 
> drumset loop (which I DID figure out how to do)?
> 
> 



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Thanks for the suggestions! I'm going to see if I can make some of these work. The reason I was hoping to edit the audio file was to be able to retain the more human/natural feel captured there.

Thanks for the feedback!

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Steve Currington <steve@...> wrote:

>
> Just a thought.. 
> I had a feeling that Melodyne with DNA now had the ability to take polyphonic audio and  export as some form of Midi but I have no idea as I don't have my copy yet but I recall reading about that somewhere.
> 
> Also There is a product out there called Audioscore Ultimate that can read polyphonic music and convert it into notation (which means into midi.)  
> http://www.neuratron.com/audioscore.htm
> 
> I have an LE version that comes with Sibelius and only handles Monphonic and it works surprisingly well.. Again I have not upgraed to the Un ltimate version for the Polyphony  but have been tempted a few times.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> On 15/03/2010, at 9:11 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:
> 
> > No audio can not easily be returned to Midi. Logic does have an 
> > audio-to-score function but I used it again recently and found it 
> > completely worthless. Even if it did work, i would give you a bunch of 
> > midi notes, and you would not have the original sounds that made the 
> > loop so you would not be able to edit it.
> > 
> > You do these things though :
> > - use FLEX to or simply cut the loop into 16th notes using the 
> > scissors, and then re-arrange or copy the parts as you see fit. These 
> > will then adjust to different tempos too.
> > - you can use Recycle to make midi and little samples, and then you can 
> > put that in EXS24.
> > - you can choose a midi loop instead of an audio loop, then have all 
> > the editability you want.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stratjackson <john@...>
> > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:26 pm
> > Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Edit Apple audio loop?
> > 
> >  
> > I'm brand new to Logic and I'm hitting my first "wall." I want to edit 
> > an audio drumset loop - not the file attributes per se, but the actual 
> > pattern being played - so that the loop better fits the song I'm 
> > working on.
> > Is this possible? If so, how do I do this? Can an audio loop be 
> > converted to a midi file so that I can edit it like I would a midi 
> > drumset loop (which I DID figure out how to do)?
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I have Logic 9.1 and it would not read the PTF files from Protools.

Hello all,
If you are able to save the track as an OMF in Pro Tools it should  
import into Logic smoothly. AFAIK Logic has never been able to open  
Pro Tools native files (PTF files)
-- 
Best Wishes

Steve Coates




On 15 Mar 2010, at 21:27, GAmoore@... wrote:

> I have Logic 9.1 and it would not read the PTF files from Protools.
>
>
> 



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Ex[port the Protools as OMF and then import the OMF..

Only issue is OMF files don't have such things as plugins info (because plugins would/could be different for both DAWs you would need to recreate that in logic.
Also I think OMF doesn't recall the tempo or recal it correctly so that would also need writing down and resetting in Logic.


Steve

On 16/03/2010, at 10:27 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> I have Logic 9.1 and it would not read the PTF files from Protools.
> 
> 



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Thanks. I don't have protools though. Thats the problem. I am trying to 
figure out a way to make this conversion. I don't want to buy the 
entire program just for this one time thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: The Drop <the.drop@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Protools File in Logic / OMF

Hello all,
If you are able to save the track as an OMF in Pro Tools it should
import into Logic smoothly. AFAIK Logic has never been able to open
Pro Tools native files (PTF files)
--
Best Wishes

Steve Coates




On 15 Mar 2010, at 21:27, GAmoore@... wrote:

> I have Logic 9.1 and it would not read the PTF files from Protools.
>
>
>



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Yeah Melodyne works on drum loops too. You have to buy the plugin or 
standalone though. And it might be a little funky if there are cymbol 
hits which overlap drum hits. You can move beats around, and change 
their pitch and envelope. However, for free, you can do that in Logic 
just cutting the audio like I mentioned. In fact you can do all of that 
in Logic if you want to spent the time to pitch shift, and such.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Currington <steve@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Edit Apple audio loop?

Just a thought..
I had a feeling that Melodyne with DNA now had the ability to take 
polyphonic audio and  export as some form of Midi but I have no idea as 
I don't have my copy yet but I recall reading about that somewhere.

Also There is a product out there called Audioscore Ultimate that can 
read polyphonic music and convert it into notation (which means into 
midi.)
http://www.neuratron.com/audioscore.htm

I have an LE version that comes with Sibelius and only handles 
Monphonic and it works surprisingly well.. Again I have not upgraed to 
the Un ltimate version for the Polyphony  but have been tempted a few 
times.

Steve


On 15/03/2010, at 9:11 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> No audio can not easily be returned to Midi. Logic does have an
> audio-to-score function but I used it again recently and found it
> completely worthless. Even if it did work, i would give you a bunch 
of
> midi notes, and you would not have the original sounds that made the
> loop so you would not be able to edit it.
>
> You do these things though :
> - use FLEX to or simply cut the loop into 16th notes using the
> scissors, and then re-arrange or copy the parts as you see fit. These
> will then adjust to different tempos too.
> - you can use Recycle to make midi and little samples, and then you 
can
> put that in EXS24.
> - you can choose a midi loop instead of an audio loop, then have all
> the editability you want.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stratjackson <john@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:26 pm
> Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Edit Apple audio loop?
>
>
> I'm brand new to Logic and I'm hitting my first "wall." I want to 
edit
> an audio drumset loop - not the file attributes per se, but the 
actual
> pattern being played - so that the loop better fits the song I'm
> working on.
> Is this possible? If so, how do I do this? Can an audio loop be
> converted to a midi file so that I can edit it like I would a midi
> drumset loop (which I DID figure out how to do)?
>
>



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Logic 9 also has an audio to midi beat tool but I have never used it.

Steve

On 16/03/2010, at 1:31 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> Yeah Melodyne works on drum loops too. You have to buy the plugin or 
> standalone though. And it might be a little funky if there are cymbol 
> hits which overlap drum hits. You can move beats around, and change 
> their pitch and envelope. However, for free, you can do that in Logic 
> just cutting the audio like I mentioned. In fact you can do all of that 
> in Logic if you want to spent the time to pitch shift, and such.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Currington <steve@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 1:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Edit Apple audio loop?
> 
> Just a thought..
> I had a feeling that Melodyne with DNA now had the ability to take 
> polyphonic audio and export as some form of Midi but I have no idea as 
> I don't have my copy yet but I recall reading about that somewhere.
> 
> Also There is a product out there called Audioscore Ultimate that can 
> read polyphonic music and convert it into notation (which means into 
> midi.)
> http://www.neuratron.com/audioscore.htm
> 
> I have an LE version that comes with Sibelius and only handles 
> Monphonic and it works surprisingly well.. Again I have not upgraed to 
> the Un ltimate version for the Polyphony but have been tempted a few 
> times.
> 
> Steve
> 
> On 15/03/2010, at 9:11 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:
> 
> > No audio can not easily be returned to Midi. Logic does have an
> > audio-to-score function but I used it again recently and found it
> > completely worthless. Even if it did work, i would give you a bunch 
> of
> > midi notes, and you would not have the original sounds that made the
> > loop so you would not be able to edit it.
> >
> > You do these things though :
> > - use FLEX to or simply cut the loop into 16th notes using the
> > scissors, and then re-arrange or copy the parts as you see fit. These
> > will then adjust to different tempos too.
> > - you can use Recycle to make midi and little samples, and then you 
> can
> > put that in EXS24.
> > - you can choose a midi loop instead of an audio loop, then have all
> > the editability you want.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: stratjackson <john@...>
> > To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, Mar 14, 2010 5:26 pm
> > Subject: [Logic_Cafe] Edit Apple audio loop?
> >
> >
> > I'm brand new to Logic and I'm hitting my first "wall." I want to 
> edit
> > an audio drumset loop - not the file attributes per se, but the 
> actual
> > pattern being played - so that the loop better fits the song I'm
> > working on.
> > Is this possible? If so, how do I do this? Can an audio loop be
> > converted to a midi file so that I can edit it like I would a midi
> > drumset loop (which I DID figure out how to do)?
> >
> >
> 
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> 
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
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Don't think there's a way to open PT files (non OMF exported) unless there's some 3rd party prog that does conversion outside the DAW.  What I used to have to do prior to getting a cheap Mbox and LE was find someone with a Pro Tools set up then export everything as audio files (including processed files via PT plugs if desired) and just dropping them in a Logic session.  If you consolidate in PT you should have a zero point in Logic.  If it's something you have to do a lot of I'd suggest Mbox Micro.  Annoying to have to buy proprietary hardware to use a DAW but that's Digidesign.  And having just re-read your post that's all quite useless suggestion, sorry.  Never had much fun with OMF in Logic, I'd recommend bouncing, as above, if you can find a PT mate. 

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:

>
> Thanks. I don't have protools though. Thats the problem. I am trying to 
> figure out a way to make this conversion. I don't want to buy the 
> entire program just for this one time thing.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Drop <the.drop@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 2:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Protools File in Logic / OMF
> 
> Hello all,
> If you are able to save the track as an OMF in Pro Tools it should
> import into Logic smoothly. AFAIK Logic has never been able to open
> Pro Tools native files (PTF files)
> --
> Best Wishes
> 
> Steve Coates
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Mar 2010, at 21:27, GAmoore@... wrote:
> 
> > I have Logic 9.1 and it would not read the PTF files from Protools.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Just one point to keep in mind if you're not familiar with Digi's product line. The mBox Micro is a sweet little dongle that 's great for traveling. But it's playback only. There is no provision for recording. So if you happen to be mucking with a Pro Tools session for some reason and need to record anything other than VI's, you're out of luck. The mBox2 Mini is like $50 more, street price (last time I checked) and allows recording through either mic (48v available) or line inputs. I bought one on eBay for about $160US. I do understand that you may never want to record in PT, just open sessions for bounce and conversion. If this is always going to be the case, then the Micro will do you OK. 

Best,
Bobbo

On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:43PM ~3/16/10, bloodychoir wrote:

> Don't think there's a way to open PT files (non OMF exported) unless there's some 3rd party prog that does conversion outside the DAW. What I used to have to do prior to getting a cheap Mbox and LE was find someone with a Pro Tools set up then export everything as audio files (including processed files via PT plugs if desired) and just dropping them in a Logic session. If you consolidate in PT you should have a zero point in Logic. If it's something you have to do a lot of I'd suggest Mbox Micro. Annoying to have to buy proprietary hardware to use a DAW but that's Digidesign. And having just re-read your post that's all quite useless suggestion, sorry. Never had much fun with OMF in Logic, I'd recommend bouncing, as above, if you can find a PT mate. 
> 



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