Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

How briefly can I do this?

In a band with a big upcoming show in a theater.  Videographer will do a 3-camera shoot.  His audio guy will take 16 - 1/4" inserts off the theater's mixer and feed them into an Alesis 24HD unit.  The cameras have sound, and the idea is to later use the audio to sync them with the master stereo audio.  Which the band wants to mix.  After we mix the audio, we give it back to the video guy and he lays it in and performs the video edit, syncing as I said to the corrected mixed and mastered stereo audio we give him back.  We've agreed on CD quality, 16bit 44.1KHz end to end.

I have Logic 8 on a capable iMac. My iMac has FW 400&800, and USB.  The audio guy from the shoot wants to put a shareware utility on my iMac and pull the HD from the Alesis and mount it into a USB powered sled.  Then transfer the audio to the iMac.

What I'd get is two 45 minute sets, recorded continuously, times 16 tracks.

First, is there an easier way to transfer all this audio onto my system?  The Alesis uses the ADAT Lightpipe, which I don't have (though there's allegedly some kind of optical port in the back 1/8" audio input socket).  His 24channel Alesis has no Firewire.  I might borrow a Firewire interface, but I think that one only has 8 active channels.

Second, assuming his strange way of transferring 45 minute audio files into Logic works, and my system doesn't crash, what's the easiest way to set markers and start splitting this stuff into individual, editable, masterable Logic songs?

Third, there will be some in-between song banter.  Should I mix that to stereo, keep and label all that and give it back with titles such as "Talk B4 Suite:Judy Blue Eyes"?  I've been just thinking about mixing the songs correctly.

Also I admit if there's out of tuneage or clammed solos or clammed vocals, hey, we've got it in Logic in my studio.. 

Fourth.. I now know how to import Logic bounces into WaveBurner.  Thinking of importing the tracks into WaveBurner for final mastering and doing a CD burn.  Or a couple of them, given the amount of material we'll have, close to two hours.  And I'll just hand over the CDs.  Is that less or more valid than handing over AIFFs as data?

Complex issues.  Any insight will be welcomed.  

thx

Karl
Arizona

OK.. can't answer everything but one or two thought come to mind straight off the top of my head.  And I know there will be more than one answer to this and probably better ones but hell someone has to start.. LOL.

Re: Getting 16  channels from the Alesis to the iMAC..
Have you considerd hiring for a few day an intermediary device that will accept the 16 or more channels ADAT Lightpipe and  feed that through to the iMAC via Firewire or USB  etc. Obviously setting up one device in the chain as the master clock and getting the others to  sync from it.   That will be critical for getting the video  and audio  all in sync.  

For example..

I have a Motu Traveler Mk3 ..  
It will happily  feed the Lightpipe through the Firewire to Logic.. All 16 channels of input.. You just need to chain them  together.   in fact using all the input options it will actually handle at least 28 mono channels of input -  I think the max it will handle is 32 mono channels.   

As you will likely only need it for a day or two the rental of such a device would be fairly low I would have thought!!

And yes the iMAC has an opticle input  but I have never used that or researched into it so that may already be a suitable solution.

Splitting tracks is easy enough just read the help or manual on splitting or slicing audio regions..  (check out "Splitting Audio Regions at Transient Marker Positions" in the  helpfile).   The process will take but a few second.   If you are recording live you could put hit markers in the Logic file so that you know what spoken word etc  links to what part of the video?  And the hit markers will all be timecoded  for the video chaps.

Steve 
 

On 6/12/2010, at 12:03 PM, k_e_moeller wrote:

> How briefly can I do this?
> 
> In a band with a big upcoming show in a theater. Videographer will do a 3-camera shoot. His audio guy will take 16 - 1/4" inserts off the theater's mixer and feed them into an Alesis 24HD unit. The cameras have sound, and the idea is to later use the audio to sync them with the master stereo audio. Which the band wants to mix. After we mix the audio, we give it back to the video guy and he lays it in and performs the video edit, syncing as I said to the corrected mixed and mastered stereo audio we give him back. We've agreed on CD quality, 16bit 44.1KHz end to end.
> 
> I have Logic 8 on a capable iMac. My iMac has FW 400&800, and USB. The audio guy from the shoot wants to put a shareware utility on my iMac and pull the HD from the Alesis and mount it into a USB powered sled. Then transfer the audio to the iMac.
> 
> What I'd get is two 45 minute sets, recorded continuously, times 16 tracks.
> 
> First, is there an easier way to transfer all this audio onto my system? The Alesis uses the ADAT Lightpipe, which I don't have (though there's allegedly some kind of optical port in the back 1/8" audio input socket). His 24channel Alesis has no Firewire. I might borrow a Firewire interface, but I think that one only has 8 active channels.
> 
> Second, assuming his strange way of transferring 45 minute audio files into Logic works, and my system doesn't crash, what's the easiest way to set markers and start splitting this stuff into individual, editable, masterable Logic songs?
> 
> Third, there will be some in-between song banter. Should I mix that to stereo, keep and label all that and give it back with titles such as "Talk B4 Suite:Judy Blue Eyes"? I've been just thinking about mixing the songs correctly.
> 
> Also I admit if there's out of tuneage or clammed solos or clammed vocals, hey, we've got it in Logic in my studio.. 
> 
> Fourth.. I now know how to import Logic bounces into WaveBurner. Thinking of importing the tracks into WaveBurner for final mastering and doing a CD burn. Or a couple of them, given the amount of material we'll have, close to two hours. And I'll just hand over the CDs. Is that less or more valid than handing over AIFFs as data?
> 
> Complex issues. Any insight will be welcomed. 
> 
> thx
> 
> Karl
> Arizona
> 
> 



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There is an easier way.   But it requires a device. 

I use an Alesis HD 24 often, it is right here on my desk in fact.  

There is a Firewire drive that can transfer to computer!!   Then you end up with .wav files!!  You don't need to transfer in real time to Logic.  

http://www.long-mcquade.com/files/8738/lg_fireport1394_angle_lg.jpg

Maybe you can try to find/borrow/rent one through Craigslist?  None posted on eBay right now.    Maybe a local studio could help with the transfer?

If you're in the Denver area (by chance) I could help you out personally.

Pete



--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Steve Currington <composer@...> wrote:

>
> OK.. can't answer everything but one or two thought come to mind straight off the top of my head.  And I know there will be more than one answer to this and probably better ones but hell someone has to start.. LOL.
> 
> Re: Getting 16  channels from the Alesis to the iMAC..
> Have you considerd hiring for a few day an intermediary device that will accept the 16 or more channels ADAT Lightpipe and  feed that through to the iMAC via Firewire or USB  etc. Obviously setting up one device in the chain as the master clock and getting the others to  sync from it.   That will be critical for getting the video  and audio  all in sync.  
> 
> For example..
> 
> I have a Motu Traveler Mk3 ..  
> It will happily  feed the Lightpipe through the Firewire to Logic.. All 16 channels of input.. You just need to chain them  together.   in fact using all the input options it will actually handle at least 28 mono channels of input -  I think the max it will handle is 32 mono channels.   
> 
> As you will likely only need it for a day or two the rental of such a device would be fairly low I would have thought!!
> 
> And yes the iMAC has an opticle input  but I have never used that or researched into it so that may already be a suitable solution.
> 
> Splitting tracks is easy enough just read the help or manual on splitting or slicing audio regions..  (check out "Splitting Audio Regions at Transient Marker Positions" in the  helpfile).   The process will take but a few second.   If you are recording live you could put hit markers in the Logic file so that you know what spoken word etc  links to what part of the video?  And the hit markers will all be timecoded  for the video chaps.
> 
> Steve 
>  
> 
> On 6/12/2010, at 12:03 PM, k_e_moeller wrote:
> 
> > How briefly can I do this?
> > 
> > In a band with a big upcoming show in a theater. Videographer will do a 3-camera shoot. His audio guy will take 16 - 1/4" inserts off the theater's mixer and feed them into an Alesis 24HD unit. The cameras have sound, and the idea is to later use the audio to sync them with the master stereo audio. Which the band wants to mix. After we mix the audio, we give it back to the video guy and he lays it in and performs the video edit, syncing as I said to the corrected mixed and mastered stereo audio we give him back. We've agreed on CD quality, 16bit 44.1KHz end to end.
> > 
> > I have Logic 8 on a capable iMac. My iMac has FW 400&800, and USB. The audio guy from the shoot wants to put a shareware utility on my iMac and pull the HD from the Alesis and mount it into a USB powered sled. Then transfer the audio to the iMac.
> > 
> > What I'd get is two 45 minute sets, recorded continuously, times 16 tracks.
> > 
> > First, is there an easier way to transfer all this audio onto my system? The Alesis uses the ADAT Lightpipe, which I don't have (though there's allegedly some kind of optical port in the back 1/8" audio input socket). His 24channel Alesis has no Firewire. I might borrow a Firewire interface, but I think that one only has 8 active channels.
> > 
> > Second, assuming his strange way of transferring 45 minute audio files into Logic works, and my system doesn't crash, what's the easiest way to set markers and start splitting this stuff into individual, editable, masterable Logic songs?
> > 
> > Third, there will be some in-between song banter. Should I mix that to stereo, keep and label all that and give it back with titles such as "Talk B4 Suite:Judy Blue Eyes"? I've been just thinking about mixing the songs correctly.
> > 
> > Also I admit if there's out of tuneage or clammed solos or clammed vocals, hey, we've got it in Logic in my studio.. 
> > 
> > Fourth.. I now know how to import Logic bounces into WaveBurner. Thinking of importing the tracks into WaveBurner for final mastering and doing a CD burn. Or a couple of them, given the amount of material we'll have, close to two hours. And I'll just hand over the CDs. Is that less or more valid than handing over AIFFs as data?
> > 
> > Complex issues. Any insight will be welcomed. 
> > 
> > thx
> > 
> > Karl
> > Arizona
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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