Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

Hi,

Found this article on Electronic Musician that you may or may not have seen.  I would think 
that when you are running your machine at max, as many of us are, this would make 
perfect sense.  There's a lot of wasted space.  FWIW

http://emusician.com/mag/emusic_tracking_big_cats/index.html

Charlie-HFP

--- GAmoore@... wrote:

> Good article! I saved it as a PDF (Safari > Print >
> Save as PDF) so I have it 
> forever now! 
> 
> I am trying to find my original Panther Install CDs
> to do an Install and 
> Restore that the Apple Geniuses advise.

FWIW, I would proceed with caution here. I remember
several posts on the LUG which debunked this article
when it came out a few months ago.  JP


>

I just happened onto the article and thought it might be of interest.  Lots of junk in OSX 
for sure.  Hope it helps, Greg!
Charlie
--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@a... wrote:

> Good article! I saved it as a PDF (Safari > Print > Save as PDF) so I have it 
> forever now! 
> 
> I am trying to find my original Panther Install CDs to do an Install and 
> Restore that the Apple Geniuses advise.

From: "Charlie Massey" <tenorsax20@...>

>I just happened onto the article and thought it might be of 
>interest.  Lots of junk in OSX
>for sure.  Hope it helps, Greg!

My opinion, FWIW: leave OS X the frig alone. The days when you needed 
to remove the clock display because it interfered with digital audio 
were over eight years ago.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Nick Batzdorf <recording@e...> 
wrote:
>    From: "Charlie Massey" <tenorsax20@m...>
> 
> >I just happened onto the article and thought it might be of 
> >interest.  Lots of junk in OSX
> >for sure.  Hope it helps, Greg!
> 
> My opinion, FWIW: leave OS X the frig alone. The days when you 
needed 
> to remove the clock display because it interfered with digital 
audio 
> were over eight years ago.
> -- 
> 
> Nick Batzdorf
> 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

Yah I second that. I have never had a problem with my OSX but I have 
a buddy who did some "cleaning" on his and he is getting constant 
error messages. I'm not sure he used that article or not, but he did 
something with his fonts that has caused real problems. I on the 
other hand never defrag or dick with anything...I just leave it on 
all the time and everything seems fine (knock on wood).

GAmoore@... <GAmoore@...> wrote:
: 
: Yeah, thats what I find so hard to grasp about X. On one hand, we should 
: leave it alone, but on the other hand there are quite a few little things that we 
: do need to do. I have gotten to repairing permissions and runing the sudo's 
: after any long session. The sudo's (which are what run at 3 am, or can be ran 
: from Cocktail), are supposed to defrag the hard disk and straighten things out, 
: but I ran Diskwarrior and found a huge amount of stuff out of order - like 
: 20%. I read one tech write not to use Diskwarrior but some other expert said it 
: is valable to run. Its hard to know what to do and what not to do.

None of the daily/weekly/monthly tasks that run overnight do anything
resembling a defrag. They mostly just clean up temp files, system log files
and things like that. If you want your drive to be defragmented, you need
to do it manually.

I've never heard of Diskwarrior doing anything bad to a system.

-- 
 agreenbu @ nyx . net                             andrew michael greenburg

> None of the daily/weekly/monthly tasks that run overnight do anything
> resembling a defrag.

True, it's just cleaning up logfiles and indexing the filesystem and stuff 
like that.

> They mostly just clean up temp files, system log files 
> and things like that. If you want your drive to be defragmented, you need
> to do it manually.

No. The operating system defragments the filesystems while using them, like 
any other decent Unix-based system does. When using Solaris, Linux or OSX 
there is a simple rule: Do not defragment, it is both risky and useless.

Maurits.

Maurits van de Kamp <maurits@...> wrote:
: 
: > None of the daily/weekly/monthly tasks that run overnight do anything
: > resembling a defrag.
: 
: True, it's just cleaning up logfiles and indexing the filesystem and stuff 
: like that.
: 
: > They mostly just clean up temp files, system log files 
: > and things like that. If you want your drive to be defragmented, you need
: > to do it manually.
: 
: No. The operating system defragments the filesystems while using them, like 
: any other decent Unix-based system does. When using Solaris, Linux or OSX 
: there is a simple rule: Do not defragment, it is both risky and useless.

The "defragmenting" that is done automatically is not really the same as
traditional defragmenting (and OS X doesn't defragment large files at all
automatically), but I agree that it's pretty much unnecessary.

-- 
 agreenbu @ nyx . net                             andrew michael greenburg

Am 29.01.2005 um 03:46 schrieb Nick Batzdorf:

>    From: "Charlie Massey" <tenorsax20@...>
>
>  >I just happened onto the article and thought it might be of
>  >interest.  Lots of junk in OSX
>  >for sure.  Hope it helps, Greg!
>
>  My opinion, FWIW: leave OS X the frig alone. The days when you needed
>  to remove the clock display because it interfered with digital audio
>  were over eight years ago.
>

Hmm, no,  those days are not really over.

In my experience _all_ things that are graphic related in OSX DO tangle 
DAW stability and performance.
All the eye candy bits should be switched off, starting with the 
minimizing windows to any dock animation (app starts, dock hide etc..)

This is all on G4, don't know about the G5s AGP/PCI bottleneck...

But as far as general tweaking goes:

Better know, what you do and how to undo it :-)

Louis

I am a PC user with a P4, 3.x mhz and 2GIGs of RAM

I have an oportunity to upgrade from 5.0.1 and 5.5.1,
but I don't know if it is worth it. Any suggestions?
Am I losing/gaining anything?

Thanks in advanced!

Chaz

At 18:46 Uhr -0700 30.01.2005, amgmamgma wrote:
>The "defragmenting" that is done automatically is not really the same as
>traditional defragmenting (and OS X doesn't defragment large files at all
>automatically), but I agree that it's pretty much unnecessary.

My machine is considerably faster after defragmenting when:

- starting up
- launching programs
- accessing swap files (!!)

So yes, it does make a big difference here and I do it every two 
weeks overnight using Norton Speed Disk (and yes I know, a lot of 
folks don't like this program, but so far I haven't been burned) :-)

Cheers
Hans

> In my experience _all_ things that are graphic related in OSX DO tangle
> DAW stability and performance.
> All the eye candy bits should be switched off, starting with the
> minimizing windows to any dock animation (app starts, dock hide etc..)

Yes but that's all user configurable, no problem there. (Although the 
eye-candy bits don't waste any performance while you're NOT moving or 
minimizing windows etc).

> This is all on G4, don't know about the G5s AGP/PCI bottleneck...

Animations etc will always take processor time (when they are performed), but 
it'll certainly be much less.

> Better know, what you do and how to undo it :-)

Especially that; don't remove or change things at system level because a 
tweakers document tells you when you don't understand the real effect. And if 
you do, don't complain about seemingly unrelated problems or crashes. :o)

Maurits.

No doubt about it. Do it !!! I don´t remember the differences , but 
5.5.1 is really stable.
BUT : Are you working with 2gig memory and it´s not giving you 
problems ? I heard the limit is 1gig and that´s what I have and it´s 
great ;some people seems to work more or less reliably with 1.5gig, 
but never heard about 2gig...
regards


--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Chaz <chazperx@y...> wrote:

> I am a PC user with a P4, 3.x mhz and 2GIGs of RAM
> 
> I have an oportunity to upgrade from 5.0.1 and 5.5.1,
> but I don't know if it is worth it. Any suggestions?
> Am I losing/gaining anything?
> 
> Thanks in advanced!
> 
> Chaz