Mellotronists

In a few places in Frank's Mellotron Book, the double tracking, far 
left/far right recording technique is mentioned.  I thought that I 
would mention a quick method to get a similar effect when recording.
(can also be used in studio monitoring or live).

Record one track in mono (L=R).
Delay one channel approx 1/50 of a second.
Go easy on the reverb.....(somewhat less than the usual load)
(use longer delay time for a more obvious effect)
I've used longer delay times for stereo studio monitoring with great 
results.

Has anyone used something like this in a live setting?  I did a live 
demonstration in front of three friends.... It left them speachless.  
(awestruck).

In a message dated 01/27/2003 2:49:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
clay123@... writes:


> Record one track in mono (L=R).
> Delay one channel approx 1/50 of a second.
> Go easy on the reverb.....(somewhat less than the usual load)
> (use longer delay time for a more obvious effect)
> I've used longer delay times for stereo studio monitoring with great 
> results.
> 

   This method will get you a stereo effect, but there is negative side 
effect. The undelayed signal will be percieved as louder than the delayed 
signal because it gets to your ears first. Someone explained this to me in 
tech terms once, so I apologize for the very simple explanation, but it is 
true.  This method works pretty well though for tracks that don't require 
such tight performances 
    Another method to make your tron stereo without the use of time based 
effects is to rerecord your tron through an amp and pan the resulting two 
channels hard left and right. Another method involves knowing what you played 
and recording a duplicate track with the pitch raised or lowered a slight 
amount, and I do mean slight. If you have a DAW, then you should have a slew 
of plugins that will help you out as well.
   My favorite method is to double a 3violins track with m300 strings. VERY 
LUSH.

Fritz M400#1697

fdoddy@... wrote:

> >VERY LUSH.
>
> Fritz M400#1697

Methinks Herr Doddy refers to Sir Martinge of Blithbury, Keeper of the
Queen's Mellotron Recordings and Boon Companion of Duke John of Bradley.

What ho!

Rick (having just watched half of Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet this eve --
no mellotrons, perceived wrongly or otherwise)

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@a... wrote:
The undelayed signal will be percieved as louder than the delayed 
signal....


Friski my love:
I usually trim the volume on the undelayed signal.  It is strange, 
but even when trimmed 50% it can still be percieved as louder.
I guess we get our direction and volume clues from the sound that 
arrives at the ear first.

I will have to try ... "double a 3violins track with m300 strings".

I just put the M300B Violins frame in....  Wow.... What a great
sound that is!!!! 

Thanks gorgeous

Clay

Isn't the 3 violins doubled with M300 strings Streetly's Classic 
Strings sound? Now that is nice; kinda spacy like the 3 violins but 
not as harsh as the M300s...lovely!
John

To:             	Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
From:           	"ceccles_ca <clay123@...>" <clay123@...>
Date sent:      	Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:52:50 -0000

Subject:        	[Mellotronists] Re: 'tron recording

> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@a... wrote:
> The undelayed signal will be percieved as louder than the delayed 
> signal....
> 
> 
> Friski my love:
> I usually trim the volume on the undelayed signal.  It is strange, 
> but even when trimmed 50% it can still be percieved as louder.
> I guess we get our direction and volume clues from the sound that 
> arrives at the ear first.
> 
> I will have to try ... "double a 3violins track with m300 strings".
> 
> I just put the M300B Violins frame in....  Wow.... What a great
> sound that is!!!! 
> 
> Thanks gorgeous
> 
> Clay
> 
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