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crimson book

2002-03-13 by ferrograph@aol.com

<< Crimson book?? Do tell! >>

the "toxic tome", as fripp calls it, is by sid smith and published by helter 
skelter, who run a little shop and mail order operation from the middle of 
denmark street, amongst all the guitar shops in tin-pan-alley in london's 
west end.  smith has been working on this thing for a few years with- 
astonishingly- the full cooperation of pretty much everyone who had anything 
to do with the gileses, mcdonald, fripp, wetton, bruford, muir, burrell, 
haskell, cross, lake, sinfield, palmer-james, collins, charig, tippett, 
belew, levin, mastelotto, gunn..... you get the idea. they all get to say 
their bit. what emerges is that the only thing fripp (or anyone) is certain 
of is that the band exists almost despite fripp's best efforts to dismantle 
and analyse the processes behind it.

(m/o details: helter skelter publishing, 4 denmark street, london WC2H 8LL. 
sorry- there's no electronic contact detail for them. isbn number 
1-900924-26-9)

the heartbreaking awful breaks in the crimson history are all detailed- 
really, they were doomed from that first US tour which took the youngsters 
away from home for the first time. only lake and fripp really benefitted from 
this experience, each adapting to the business in a way that defined the rest 
of their careers. the emnity between these two is evident from that first US 
tour and is quite surprising. later, it becomes apparent that a similar void 
has opened up between fripp and bruford, and probably fripp-and-everyone-else 
at some time.

well- for me, it has had more-or-less the same effect as reading wolfgang 
flur's "I was a robot". (I haven't listened to kraftwerk since and can't 
think about them without some distaste).
 
I was at one of the projekct one gigs in london and remember some terrific 
improv.; what later emerged on disc, from tapes of all four nights, was left 
to bruford to assemble, while fripp dashed off to nashville to write with 
belew (i.e. move crimson along without bruford...). bruford recalls hating 
the whole thing by then, which is why (presumably) the reduction of the four 
nights into one cd is so unsuccessful. there are echoes of this resentment of 
fripp's control over his fellow "crims" throughout, pretty much from day one.

persuaded to listen to "poseidon" again last night, I may have overcome some 
of this distaste, especially since "catfood" has precisely the humour and wit 
about it that was so sadly lacking in greg lake's other career of the time 
("are you ready, eddy?" I ask you.....). but I will probably sooner get out 
"the bruford tapes" or "one of a kind" than any of the post-"red" crimson now.

in a small box- if you are deeply attached to this band and don't normally 
read a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff about rock, don't get this book. if 
you've ever been in a band with mates and want to see how one of the greatest 
albums was wrought by a gang of mates thirty-odd years ago, read 'til the end 
of chapter two and chuck the rest- it's too upsetting. there isn't a lot 
about 'trons in it, really- the sleevenotes for "nightwatch" probably mention 
the thing more often. 

this is to give you some context, some insight into my take on the band: I 
hated "construkction.." and walked out of the london show after an hour 
(seemed like three, so I sort of got my money's worth).  I love the first 
album, all the wetton stuff, bits of discipline, the entire exposure/league 
of gentlemen/sacred songs period and all of the eno collabs. I was turned off 
by the non-lake early material and by most of the belew-era stuff, without 
blaming belew or anyone else for this lack of appeal. (quite the reverse- the 
tracks I liked on "thrak" were the songs). the only thread I can perceive, 
and which I touched on earlier, is the humour, or at least some sense that 
there is a musical consensus with some humour at the back of it. I can't 
really explain it, but one sort of knows when a band is working, musically, 
and when it's just plain technically impressive but nothing more. that's the 
fine line that crimson have trodden over the years and this book really 
shines a spotlight on why this has happened. it might permanently change the 
way you hear them, would be my point. that's not a matter of my personal 
taste but what a former boss once described as "seeing the electrons move" 
(about an opportunity afforded by working for mtv/vh-1 to meet his fave band, 
fairport convention)- some things are better left mysterious.

and we still don't know who the cellist was.

duncan/m400 nr1098

[Mellotronists] crimson book

2002-03-13 by tron@blackcat.demon.co.uk

> there isn't a lot about 'trons in it, really- the sleevenotes for
> "nightwatch" probably mention the thing more often.

There was far more about Mellotrons in Sid's book at one time - I wrote
it. The editors excised it for 'reasons of space'.

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

Re: [Mellotronists] crimson book

2002-03-13 by ferrograph@aol.com

<< There was far more about Mellotrons in Sid's book at one time - I wrote
it. The editors excised it for 'reasons of space'. >>

yep- saw y'r name in the opening credits sequence, which perhaps ought to 
have had fripp down as exec prod or something; I mentioned the lack-o-'tron 
content for exactly that reason-  got my hopes up that the beast might've had 
a chapter in it's own right. 
  
'reasons of space' makes no sense at all. a bit of market research would've 
told them that pretty much their entire target audience would've paid twice 
as much for half as many pages on crimson, and missing out maybe twenty pages 
to shave a quid or two off the price is just plain insulting. 
and anyway, how can there *not* be a chapter on the 'tron when it remains a 
part of their sound despite the many line-up changes? again, I refer readers 
to the sleevenotes of "the night watch" and nr 10 in fripp's list of live 
recording aphorisms: "tuning a mellotron doesn't". he still had two of them 
on stage night after night, though.

in fact, the muso-content is rather low overall; there's a brief anecdote 
from "t. baldy levin" about having 34 effects pedals on the bass and it not 
making any difference whether the thing was plugged in or not.  
there's a picture of a one-stringed bass, but little accompanying text, so 
(even if you're not a bassist like me) you're like, "why?" and thenceforth 
tortured with curiosity. (I saw the violent femmes with a baseball bat 
equipped with a single string and pickup; that made sense somehow, in that 
quirky irreverent context. but the warr guitar just looks like a normal bass 
with one string up the middle of a normal neck. go, as they say, figure).

now, I know we're all here for our fascination with the many-headed monster 
that is t'ronosaurus rex, and that kind of puts us at the anorak end of 
things when it comes to the study of music, but FAR TOO OFTEN with these rock 
biogs, there's scant mention of the contribution of the prevailing technology 
to the art, or how the artists were/were not able to fully develop their 
expression using contemporary tools. I think this stuff is important in 
gaining a full understanding of the modern rock musician.

it's like a book about the shadows without any mention of burns or fender, 
for fox-ache.

the kraftwerk book is similarly lacking, but that's because a) they were 
always quite secretive anyway and b) the drummer wrote it. I mean no 
disrespect in the general direction of the kitchen department. well, not 
much....  flur's recollection of the technology was coloured by the 
claustrophobia he acquired, since he was literally surrounded by electronics 
(hutter and schneider built him a cage with drum-triggers and stood him right 
in the middle of the stage- the thing went wrong but looked cool so they 
persisted until he got fed up and left); he succeeds in interpreting this as 
control-freakism on the part of the two founders and convinced me that they 
were assholes, but that's by the by.
 
a glaring omission, and now we know that it's not sid's fault.
dickson, you was robbed. perhaps you could publish your cutting-room-floor 
contribution on the list instead. we could each give you a quid, if that'll 
swing it.


duncan/m400 nr1098 ("robert who?")

[Mellotronists] crimson book

2002-03-17 by tron@blackcat.demon.co.uk

> and anyway, how can there *not* be a chapter on the 'tron when it
> remains a part of their sound despite the many line-up changes?

Well, you may equally ask why there wasn't a chapter on the Gibson as
well, since that's every bit as central.

> dickson, you was robbed. perhaps you could publish your
> cutting-room-floor contribution on the list instead. we could each give
> you a quid, if that'll swing it.

I'm hanging onto it, since it may yet appear in print. It's pretty
extensive.

Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/

Re: [Mellotronists] crimson book

2002-03-17 by sdavmor

Mike,  we could put it on the Systems Theory web-site, and folks could link
to it.
--
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
www.systemstheory.net
www.thecleanersystem.com

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> > and anyway, how can there *not* be a chapter on the 'tron when it
> > remains a part of their sound despite the many line-up changes?
>
> Well, you may equally ask why there wasn't a chapter on the Gibson as
> well, since that's every bit as central.
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> > dickson, you was robbed. perhaps you could publish your
> > cutting-room-floor contribution on the list instead. we could each give
> > you a quid, if that'll swing it.
>
> I'm hanging onto it, since it may yet appear in print. It's pretty
> extensive.
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> Mike Dickson (tron@...) M400 #996
> The Official Cynic of Streetly Electronics
> Streetly Sample Library http://www.blackcat.demon.co.uk/tron/
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