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Hi List:

Any M-Tron users out there?  Has anyone experienced this?  Any ideas?

I'm using M-Tron 4.5 as a VSTi with Cubase SX 1.0.6. and Windows XP, 
AMD Athlon XP 1.52 gHz processor and 512MB of RAM, with a Frontier 
Designs Wavecenter PCI soundcard.  I'm using Cubase as a virtual 
instrument host ONLY -- no tracks, no other plugins.

When I first open a project and start using a single instance of M-Tron 
the VST processor meter is showing about 20%.  As I play chords and 
notes over time the processor meter begins to rise.  It never 
decreases, only increases.  Eventually it reaches 80-90% and overloads. 
  The only way to clear the problem is to revert or close the project 
and reopen it.

Is there an update to fix this bug?  M-tron is unusable for me like 
this!  It happens every time I use it.  It usually takes 5 minutes or 
more, depending on how many notes I'm playing.  If I set up an 
arpreggiator to play continually I can get it to happen within minutes. 
  This problem only happens with M-Tron and does not occur with other VI 
plugins (Oddity, Arturia Moog, etc.)

Changing buffer settings has no effect on the problem.  I have tried 
everything from 64 to 512 buffer and the problem is the same.  A higher 
buffer setting might make it take a little longer before it builds up 
to 80-90% processor overload, but it still happens a short time after 
playing. The odd thing is that the processor meter never goes back 
down, even when I stop playing.  As I continue to play, it just keeps 
gradually getting higher, and the longer I keep playing M-Tron the more 
it keeps rising.  Also, if I hold notes, especially in the higher 
octaves, it seems to happen sooner.

Any help appreciated?  I sent this same message to GMedia, but so far 
no reply.  The only other thing I can think of is to try a different 
VSTi host, maybe V-stack (?)

Thanks,
Babz

--- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Babz <Babz@m...> wrote:
> Hi List:
> 
> Any M-Tron users out there?  Has anyone experienced this?  Any 
ideas?
> 
> I'm using M-Tron 4.5 as a VSTi with Cubase SX 1.0.6. and Windows 
XP, 
> AMD Athlon XP 1.52 gHz processor and 512MB of RAM, with a Frontier 
> Designs Wavecenter PCI soundcard.  I'm using Cubase as a virtual 
> instrument host ONLY -- no tracks, no other plugins.
> 
> When I first open a project and start using a single instance of M-
Tron 
> the VST processor meter is showing about 20%.  As I play chords 
and 
> notes over time the processor meter begins to rise.  It never 
> decreases, only increases.  Eventually it reaches 80-90% and 
overloads. 
>   The only way to clear the problem is to revert or close the 
project 
> and reopen it.
> 
> Is there an update to fix this bug?  M-tron is unusable for me 
like 
> this!  It happens every time I use it.  It usually takes 5 minutes 
or 
> more, depending on how many notes I'm playing.  If I set up an 
> arpreggiator to play continually I can get it to happen within 
minutes. 
>   This problem only happens with M-Tron and does not occur with 
other VI 
> plugins (Oddity, Arturia Moog, etc.)
> 
> Changing buffer settings has no effect on the problem.  I have 
tried 
> everything from 64 to 512 buffer and the problem is the same.  A 
higher 
> buffer setting might make it take a little longer before it builds 
up 
> to 80-90% processor overload, but it still happens a short time 
after 
> playing. The odd thing is that the processor meter never goes back 
> down, even when I stop playing.  As I continue to play, it just 
keeps 
> gradually getting higher, and the longer I keep playing M-Tron the 
more 
> it keeps rising.  Also, if I hold notes, especially in the higher 
> octaves, it seems to happen sooner.
> 
> Any help appreciated?  I sent this same message to GMedia, but so 
far 
> no reply.  The only other thing I can think of is to try a 
different 
> VSTi host, maybe V-stack (?)
> 
> Thanks,
> Babz

I have the same version of M-Tron and have had no problems running 
up to 4 instances in Cubase VST 5.1. Do you have the same problem 
with the standalone version of M-Tron?

I've had a similar problem with the Moog Modular when playing 
complex sequences.

Bernie

Hi Babz,
I use M-tron with Cubasis VST 4.0.
Does the full version of Cubase SX have any example songs?
What happens if you bring up a sample song and try using M-tron 
as a new instrument within that. On my version of Cubasis there 
was some problem with VST instruments and the def.all default 
template. I had to take one of the example songs, strip everything 
off, tracks and all. VST instruments then worked ok. So then save 
that as your def.all arrangement. I can't remember what the orginal 
problem was I had so don't know if this will help.
John 

> 
> 
> --- In Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com, Babz <Babz@m...> wrote:
> > Hi List:
> > 
> > Any M-Tron users out there?  Has anyone experienced this?  Any 
> ideas?
> > 
> > I'm using M-Tron 4.5 as a VSTi with Cubase SX 1.0.6. and Windows 
> XP, 
> > AMD Athlon XP 1.52 gHz processor and 512MB of RAM, with a Frontier 
> > Designs Wavecenter PCI soundcard.  I'm using Cubase as a virtual 
> > instrument host ONLY -- no tracks, no other plugins.
> > 
> > When I first open a project and start using a single instance of M-
> Tron 
> > the VST processor meter is showing about 20%.  As I play chords 
> and 
> > notes over time the processor meter begins to rise.  It never 
> > decreases, only increases.  Eventually it reaches 80-90% and 
> overloads. 
> >   The only way to clear the problem is to revert or close the 
> project 
> > and reopen it.
> > 
> > Is there an update to fix this bug?  M-tron is unusable for me 
> like 
> > this!  It happens every time I use it.  It usually takes 5 minutes 
> or 
> > more, depending on how many notes I'm playing.  If I set up an 
> > arpreggiator to play continually I can get it to happen within 
> minutes. 
> >   This problem only happens with M-Tron and does not occur with 
> other VI 
> > plugins (Oddity, Arturia Moog, etc.)
> > 
> > Changing buffer settings has no effect on the problem.  I have 
> tried 
> > everything from 64 to 512 buffer and the problem is the same.  A 
> higher 
> > buffer setting might make it take a little longer before it builds 
> up 
> > to 80-90% processor overload, but it still happens a short time 
> after 
> > playing. The odd thing is that the processor meter never goes back 
> > down, even when I stop playing.  As I continue to play, it just 
> keeps 
> > gradually getting higher, and the longer I keep playing M-Tron the 
> more 
> > it keeps rising.  Also, if I hold notes, especially in the higher 
> > octaves, it seems to happen sooner.
> > 
> > Any help appreciated?  I sent this same message to GMedia, but so 
> far 
> > no reply.  The only other thing I can think of is to try a 
> different 
> > VSTi host, maybe V-stack (?)
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Babz
> 
> I have the same version of M-Tron and have had no problems running 
> up to 4 instances in Cubase VST 5.1. Do you have the same problem 
> with the standalone version of M-Tron?
> 
> I've had a similar problem with the Moog Modular when playing 
> complex sequences.
> 
> Bernie
> 
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

Hi Babz,

I use M-Tron regularly with Sonar 3 Producer Edition (on a Toshiba Satellite 
1900-102, ram: 512), and I've never (so far) run into this problem. But the 
VSTi is a bit harsh on the resources, so I had to adjust the buffers. That 
solved the problem. You may want to give Sonar a spin (there's a downside 
though - the software is nearly $1000).

Regards,

D


>From: Babz <Babz@...>
>To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Mellotronists] M-Tron gradually takes over processor
>Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:00:07 -0500
>
>Hi List:
>
>Any M-Tron users out there?  Has anyone experienced this?  Any ideas?
>
>I'm using M-Tron 4.5 as a VSTi with Cubase SX 1.0.6. and Windows XP,
>AMD Athlon XP 1.52 gHz processor and 512MB of RAM, with a Frontier
>Designs Wavecenter PCI soundcard.  I'm using Cubase as a virtual
>instrument host ONLY -- no tracks, no other plugins.
>
>When I first open a project and start using a single instance of M-Tron
>the VST processor meter is showing about 20%.  As I play chords and
>notes over time the processor meter begins to rise.  It never
>decreases, only increases.  Eventually it reaches 80-90% and overloads.
>   The only way to clear the problem is to revert or close the project
>and reopen it.
>
>Is there an update to fix this bug?  M-tron is unusable for me like
>this!  It happens every time I use it.  It usually takes 5 minutes or
>more, depending on how many notes I'm playing.  If I set up an
>arpreggiator to play continually I can get it to happen within minutes.
>   This problem only happens with M-Tron and does not occur with other VI
>plugins (Oddity, Arturia Moog, etc.)
>
>Changing buffer settings has no effect on the problem.  I have tried
>everything from 64 to 512 buffer and the problem is the same.  A higher
>buffer setting might make it take a little longer before it builds up
>to 80-90% processor overload, but it still happens a short time after
>playing. The odd thing is that the processor meter never goes back
>down, even when I stop playing.  As I continue to play, it just keeps
>gradually getting higher, and the longer I keep playing M-Tron the more
>it keeps rising.  Also, if I hold notes, especially in the higher
>octaves, it seems to happen sooner.
>
>Any help appreciated?  I sent this same message to GMedia, but so far
>no reply.  The only other thing I can think of is to try a different
>VSTi host, maybe V-stack (?)
>
>Thanks,
>Babz
>
>

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>You may want to give Sonar a spin (there's a downside
>though - the software is nearly $1000).

It's not quite that much, is it?  Wait, yes, you're right!  Wow!

I've been using Twelve Tone Systems stuff since Cakewalk 3 and just loaded 
up SONAR 4 Producer.  I'm amazed--it's getting to the point where there 
isn't anything it can't do now.  I only wish I used it more than about four 
times a year before the next upgrade comes out.

Unfortunately SONAR 4 really likes to crap out on my system (especially 
when using software instruments like the Arturia stuff---it crashes).  But 
they just released a patch for SONAR 4, so I'm sure it'll get more stable.

I have used the sampler included w/ one of the versions of SONAR to sample 
#805 just to see how it'd work.  Pitch stretching is awful stuff - I'd have 
to record all 35 keys for sure.  But I'm content using the real deal.

Recently I picked up an ARP 1623 hardware sequencer.  Now *that* is 
fun.  It is controlling an MG-1, Minimoog, and PolySix (the arpeggiator 
trigger).  Add in #805, and it's instant Berlin School.  (Sorry, that's 
about the extent of my musical ability.  :-) )

...kl...
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M400 #1037 - wants to go to school, too

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