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Help with Single Gray QTR Profile

2017-02-22 by greg@...

Hi Everyone,


Trying to figure out the process of making a digital negative with QTR

I am looking at what was written in the past by Sandy and Mike about using a single gray system. I am using a Epson 7880 on a Mac and printing mostly Palladium prints. I am using florescent BLB bulbs in a UV box. I am using Fixxons and Hahnemuhle Platinum Rag. I am using 18 drops FO + 18 drops PD 2 drops Tween 20 and 1 drop Na2 2.5% I keep the paper overnight in a humidity chamber at 45% humidity at around 70-74 degrees. I coat it and let is set for 4-5 minutes. I don’t dry it with any fan after.

Step 1: I used a 31 step Tablet from Mark Nelson and figured that my max print time for blacks. 7 minutes gave me blacks merged from step 1-3. I made my printing time 4 minutes.

Step 2: I printed the inktone separation test in Quadtone RIP Calibration mode (per Clays instructions) I found the K ink becomes pure white at 80%. I compared the LK strip to the K strip and found that 85% LK = 50%K. Yellow is 80% pure white and the LLK 100% LLK = 25%K. Again following what Clay wrote a while back

Where I get confused now is that if I look at what Sandy and John wrote in the newly released and wonderful Carbon book, I don’t see how you get the limits of the inks. If I go by Clays method, I get:

DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=100

BOOST_K=0

LIMIT_K=80

LIMIT_C=1

LIMIT_M=1

LIMIT_Y=12

LIMIT_LC=1

LIMIT_LM=1

LIMIT_LK=85

LIMIT_LLK=100

N_OF_GRAY_PARTS=3

GRAY_INK_1=K

GRAY_VAL_1=100

GRAY_INK_2=LK

GRAY_VAL_2=50

GRAY_INK_3=LLK

GRAY_VAL_3=20

When I look at Sandy’s I see

DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=55

LIMIT_K=25

LIMIT_C=25

LIMIT_M=1

LIMIT_Y=25

LIMIT_LC=1

LIMIT_LM=1

LIMIT_LK=40

LIMIT_LLK=1

How do you get those values from the inktone separation test? Do you enter the info for density or is that replaced with the DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=55

I tried printing out the profile like this:

GRAPH_CURVE=YES

N_OF_INKS=8

DEFAULT_INK_LIMIT=55

LIMIT_K=25

LIMIT_C=25

LIMIT_M=1

LIMIT_Y=25

LIMIT_LC=1

LIMIT_LM=1

LIMIT_LK=40

LIMIT_LLK=1

GRAY_HIGHLIGHT=4

GRAY_SHADOW=4

GRAY_GAMMA= 0.7

CURVE_K= "0;0 100;100"

COPY_CURVE_C=K

COPY_CURVE_M=K

COPY_CURVE_Y=K

COPY_CURVE_LC=K

COPY_CURVE_LM=K

COPY_CURVE_LK=K

COPY_CURVE_LLK=K

It installed but I got an error about the curve. When I printed it, the ink was dripping off the negative.

The other problem I had was when I tried to go to the next step of building the curve. I tried the Build QTR Curve.jsx with Photoshop CC 2017 and I got an error about a command no longer valid and the action stopped. I also have a Spider 4 spectrometer and was able to do it that way using the B&W mastery excel sheet.

I know, lots of questions, but I have done about 30 prints already trying to get this process down.

Thanks,

Greg


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