QTR-Quadtone RIP

Hi Tom,

I take your comments on board. Sure, mine is not strictly a black ink set and I read the bit that said QTR was designed for quad black ink sets. Two things though: The cost of QTR made it worth the try - whichever way I go with my printing, B&W is here to stay - I can only go uphill from here. It seemed a good way to get my feet wet with black and white calibration so if I change my inks, I'll still be using QTR - might even understand it by then.

That's not to say I'm not going to continue trying. I also felt that because QTR contains some grey patches, just that alone would be invaluable should I indeed do as you suggest and create my own ICC's with my profiling kit.

It's all a learning curve and unfortunately I'm probably one of the world's worst when I come across a "that's not usually done" scenario :0)
I have been using the Epson drivers. They are okay but despite careful colour profiling, the inks in the SG don't relate to standard IT8s so I'm left fiddling with media settings and so forth to try to make improvements. And I'm sure you're only too aware of what an unrewarding experience it can be trying to get decent prints out of some of these older drivers. Lyson's site has a sheet which shows the casts along with the Hue and Saturation values - but I recently wrote to them to explain why my prints were not as neutral as theirs and roughly how far out it was. I'm waiting to see if they're going to bother replying with (it's been suggested) some Photoshop curves to bring the SG set back in line.
Added to the above is also the problem that although Lyson provide a free profile for their inks on their own paper - I do not wish to be tied to a single manufacturer of paper for my B&W prints. I note that Permajet will make me free custom profiles for this ink set for use with their papers - they have already confirmed this to me. So that's another option I have. But one of the things I've learned since I started getting more serious about ink jet printing is that there is always room for improvement. I have no desire to make my life more complicated, but to rely on a remote profiling service and then discover that I wish to swap to a new brand of paper or ink has cost implications way beyond the cost of buying this RIP and the PF Pro.
I'll be happy to let you know how I get on.

-- 
  Alan Ansell
  aansell@...

----- Original message -----
From: "Tom Moore" <rtmlists8888@...>
To: QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:52:14 -0000
Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Newbie help: Create New Ink/Paper profile in QuadtoneRIP

Alan
SG is essentially a colour inkset (albeit with reduced gamut) with a
single black. Since QTR is not a colour RIP, I suspect you might have
more success with the SG inks using the Epson driver and the Lyson ICC
profiles. Once you receive Printfix you will be able to create your
own ICC's for the paper you want to use (again for use with the Epson
driver).
I could be wrong of course, but with a single black it does not seem
practical to construct curves in the manner QTR permits with the Epson
Ultrachrome inkset with 2 or 3 blacks. The other alternative is to
construct magenta and cyan curves blended with black and then combine
these curves with yellow to create something near neutral. That sounds
to me like one would be trying to do manually what a colour RIP would do.
Sorry to sound so negative about your venture. Perhaps someone else
has discovered a way to do what you want and will chime in. If you do
decide to continue with QTR and the Lyson SG inks, please keep us
posted as to your progress.
Tom Moore
--- In [1]QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Ansell" <aansell@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Roger,
> Aah - I'm not the only one! I was beginning to think I was on
something of a fool's quest :0)
> Actually the SG were recommended over the quad black by my reseller
as giving better prints for the 1290.
> But I think you can help me. Although on about the fourth reading
the documentation is slowly starting to make sense, what I'm trying to
...


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