QTR-Quadtone RIP

Hi David

I'd be happy to help but you appear to be using a Mac and I am a Windows 
user. Although the principles are the same the detailed procedures for 
curve creation are quite different.

There is another document in the files section which is specifically for 
the mac and might be useful - QTR mini Tutorial on Curves.rtf

Hopefully a mac user can step in and help out. Why don't you post the 
text of your pdf into an email to make it easier for people to respond.

regards
Howard


dmwket wrote:
> Howard,
> The delay was so that I could do a profiling process for Brilliant Museum Silver Gloss 
> White using the process as I understand it based on your comments as well as the 
> documentation included with QTR.
> 
> 
> I am including a PDF document in which I describe the process. Hopefully this will provide 
> sufficent information for you to determine if the process is valid or, if flawed what I 
> should do to improve it.
> 
> /Users/DMWMBP/Desktop/QTR Profiling 10.5.2.pdf
> 
> I am happy to email you the word file if this would be more useful. Let me know.
> 
> I am happy to edit the process description and share it more widely once I am sure it is 
> valid.
> 
> Regards,
> David
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Howard Shaw <glassman@...> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like you might possibly be confusing the settings for ink limit & 
>> ink density?
>> 
>> Density should alway be 100 for the black ink but the limit should be 
>> the level in the initial 100% calibration that gives you the best dmax 
>> (there are exceptions such as where the limit is set lower but restored 
>> with a higher black boost figure but don't worry about that at this stage).
>> 
>> Paste your qidf file into an email if you'd like me to have a look.
>> 
>> regards
>> Howard
>> 
>> 
>> dmwket wrote:
>> > Howard,
>> > Thanks for the information.
>> > I found that when I tried to set the ink limit below 100% for the black, then the step 
> wedge 
>> > did not print at all.
>> > 
>> > For example, if the best Dmax was the 95% wedge and I set 95 as the black limit, then 
>> > when printing the step wedge, the 100% wedge was just an outline. Also, all the 
> numeric 
>> > text next to the steps were also just an outline.
>> > 
>> > That's what led me to the conclusion that the black ink limit had to be set to 100 in 
> all 
>> > cases and that the LK limit was used to set the point when K ink was used rather than 
> the 
>> > LK ink.
>> > 
>> > There are two or more places in the profile text file that have ink limit setting. 
> Perhaps 
>> > this is what is causing me the confusion.
>> > 
>> > Which settings are used to limit the total black ink flow to optimize Dmax?
>> > 
>> > thanks again for your insights.
>> > 
>> > David
>> > 
>> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Howard Shaw <glassman@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >> 
>> >> No, the calibration process should be done for each printer/ink/paper 
>> >> combination. Different papers can take different amounts of ink and the 
>> >> main purpose of the calibration is to guage the level of black ink which 
>> >> provides the best dmax as well as the 'crossover' points for the black & 
>> >> grey inks.
>> >> 
>> >> Printing the initial 100% calibration will give you the full range from 
>> >> 5%-100% coverage. Dmax can actually decline with overinking and the best 
>> >> dmax patch will almost certainly not be the 100% one.
>> >> 
>> >> My experience shows that, even using the Media Type of Matte Paper, 
>> >> there are no papers, matt or gloss, that can take anything like the 
>> >> amount of ink deposited in the 100% patch at the 100% calibration limit 
>> >> at 2880dpi. The Matte paper setting therefore provides more than enough 
>> >> latitude in terms of quantity of ink deposited.
>> >> 
>> >> Media Type may determine other factors (?platen gap ?drop size) that 
>> >> might be factors but the evidence is inconclusive. Hopefully more people 
>> >> will reply to the other David's thread in this regard.
>> >> 
>> >> regards
>> >> Howard
>> >> 
>> >> --
>> >> Howard Shaw
>> >> www.howardshaw.org
>> >> 
>> >> dmwket wrote:
>> >> > Howard,
>> >> > It is my understanding from reading the material that the Ink Separation 
> calibration is 
>> > a 
>> >> > printer specific, not paper specific calibration.
>> >> > 
>> >> > I did that calibration before starting the per paper profiling I described.
>> >> > 
>> >> > It is important to remember that that has to be accomplished as well. Thanks for 
>> > pointing 
>> >> > it out.
>> >> > 
>> >> > What drove me to doing the detailed profiling I described here is the lack of Dmax 
>> > with 
>> >> > the default matte paper selection even after doing the Separation calibration.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > David
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Howard Shaw <glassman@> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This method may work if the best black ink density for the new paper 
>> >> >> matches that of the paper whose existing profile you use.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> However a better way to optimise dmax and take out some of the guesswork 
>> >> >> is to standardise on one paper setting & resolution and print one of the 
>> >> >> ink separation tifs in calibration mode. See the file 'QuadToneRIP User 
>> >> >> Guide.pdf' in the qtr folder for more details.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Howard
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> dmwket wrote:
>> >> >> > Alan,
>> >> >> > Linearization is done on a per paper basis.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > It is the profile used by QTR for that paper.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > Based on experimentation and reading here on this forum I arrived at the 
>> > following 
>> >> >> > process;
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 1) Select an existing profile text file that approximates the paper you want to 
>> > profile 
>> >> > and 
>> >> >> > delete the Linearization line at the end of the file and save with a unique 
> name.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 2) find the best Dmax by printing 100% black squares with several paper 
> settings 
>> > i.e. 
>> >> >> > Premium Gloss Photo Paper, Premium Luster Photo Paper, etc. at 1440 as well 
> as 
>> >> > 2880 
>> >> >> > using the file you created in 1 for the curve.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > I positioned the ink swatch on the paper by clicking center image off and then 
>> > setting 
>> >> > a 
>> >> >> > margin to create a row of swatches at the various setting.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > These samples are all printed with No Color Management set in the printer 
> dialog.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > This is tedious but important. I let the samples dry for about 2 hours before 
>> > reading 
>> >> > them 
>> >> >> > with my Spyder Spectrometer.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 3) Once the best Dmax paper, resolution setting is found. use that paper and 
>> >> > resolution to 
>> >> >> > print the 21 X 4 step wedge using the curve created in 1.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 4) Let the test print dry for a minimum 2 hours, over night is optimum, then 
> read 
>> > it 
>> >> > and do 
>> >> >> > the linearization.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 5) Copy the Linearization line from the text file and paste it into the file you 
> made 
>> > in 
>> >> > 1 
>> >> >> > above and save the file as your curve file for the paper.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 6) Copy the file into the printer profiles folder and "install the printer".
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 7) Once the curve is installed I save a preset for QTR that has the paper 
> selection, 
>> >> >> > resolution setting and curve. I name the preset to reflect what paper it is to 
>> > simplify 
>> >> > my 
>> >> >> > printing.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > Trust this helps.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > There may be a better way to do this that someone more experienced can 
> offer.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > Have fun learning QTR --- the B&W prints it produces are great.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > Regards,
>> >> >> > David
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "handyman856" <avr@> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Is linearization done on a 'per printer' basis, done once with any
>> >> >> >> paper for a given printer, or is done 'per paper', and part of the
>> >> >> >> profiling process of each paper?
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> =Alan R.
>> >> >> >>
>> >>