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Re: Still trying but what's wrong?

2010-09-15 by Keith

Once again Mike, thank you for your patience!
With the info that you you provided, I went back and remeasured the Cal page and determined that a new value was needed and printed out a new 2nd page and measured that. Much quicker this time around!
But going back to the profile folder, I realised that the curves I was using(as a basis for modifing)are for matte papers using MK inks. I'm using PK on photo type papers(Innova Fiba Print Semi Matte). So my question once again is about the profiles. Other than the .qidf files(which are all listed for matte(MK) papers the other files are .amp and .raw. Do you know what those are for?
Again from the workflow you provided:
"Two sets are provided; one for matte papers and one for glossy  media. Each set contains four tints: cool, neutral, warm
and sepia. Begin with the neutral curve. Later you will create a separate custom curve for each remaining tint.
*If your printer model contains no raw curves, choose a neutral curve for an existing paper that is similar in characteristics
to the paper you wish to calibrate, taking care that the appropriate ink type (pk or mk) is chosen."

I do not see two types, only matte. I'm assuming that(in the folder)coolse is the neutral curve. All of the curves listed with TC-***.amp(or.raw) are listed twice, one with PS(in the icon) and one without.
All I'm trying to figure out which curve I should start with to modify. 

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@...> wrote:
>
> > are 4 raw curves from which to pick. Going into Program
> > Files>QuadToneRip>Profiles>4800> I see three types of files. .amp, .raw, and
> > .qidf. I see cool, coolse, sepia, warm.
> >
> .qidf.  =  cool, coolse, sepia, warm.  are the 4 curves. But you can use the
> windows GUI that you have been using rather than editing the text file
> directly. If you want to view the qidf file use wordpad. To do this put a
> short cut to wordpad on your desktop and drop the qidf file on it....
> 
> Mike
> 
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com <QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Keith,
> > >
> > > go off and read this and then if you have further questions come back and
> > > ask...
> > >
> > > http://www.diallophotography.com/pdfs/QTRworkflow.pdf
> > >
> > > <http://www.diallophotography.com/pdfs/QTRworkflow.pdf>Mike
> > >
> > > On 14 September 2010 21:49, Keith <kjrslr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Mike. You are being VERY helpful.
> > > > Still have questions.
> > > > First.
> > > > For the intial Calibration page I printed, I determined that max ink to
> > be
> > > > 73%. What should I have been looking for from my
> > measurements(w/Spyder3Print
> > > > spectro) Lab or density? In other words, which should I use and what
> > change
> > > > should I see, number wise? I think I used the numbers I got from
> > density
> > > > readout.
> > > >
> > > > Next, Since I determined 73 was the point, I put that into the slider
> > and
> > > > printed out a new Calibration page to get the limit for the LK which I
> > > > determined was 25% of Blk.
> > > > So the Calibration page(set at 73)was printed out I read the 100% patch
> > for
> > > > LK. The reading I got for Density was .88 and L was 42.96.
> > > > I then measured Blk and found the 25% patch read Density at .88 and L
> > was
> > > > 42.81.
> > > > Should I have printed out a 3rd Calbration page with the slider set to
> > 25
> > > > to detrmine the LLK as I did to get the LK?
> > > > The reason I ask is that the existing curve I used had the LK at 22.8
> > and
> > > > LLK at 7.6 where as what I measured I got for LK was 25% but LLK was
> > 31%,
> > > > but I only printed out just the 2 calibration pages(the 1st and then
> > 73%).
> > > > Because the 31% seemed too high(compared the existing curve) I wondered
> > if I
> > > > should have printed a 3rd page for determining the % of LLK from LK. Do
> > you
> > > > follow my question?
> > > >
> > > > To answer your question as to which strip, I'm refering to the one
> > printed
> > > > out(following the instuctions you mention)after I put in the numbers
> > from
> > > > the Calibration page(which determine ink limits).
> > > >
> > > > You're answering a lot Mike, please keep it up!
> > > >
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com <QuadtoneRIP%40yahoogroups.com><QuadtoneRIP%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> >
> > > > Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Keith,
> > > > >
> > > > > >>So correct me if I'm wrong. Are you saying that when I called up
> > the
> > > > > existing curve to modify, I should have removed the >>linearization
> > > > first,
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes
> > > > >
> > > > > >>THEN added the numbers I got from the ink calibration into the
> > Curve
> > > > > Creator box, AND THEN print that(the >>21 step wedge)out?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes
> > > > >
> > > > > >>Do I then measure this new strip and put those numbers in the
> > > > > linearization boxes?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes
> > > > >
> > > > > >>If the strip doesn't >>look good, what do I modify next?
> > > > >
> > > > > Which strip?
> > > > >
> > > > > So after the above, you effectively have a print path that prints
> > linear
> > > > L
> > > > > vs RGB value.
> > > > > Now the question is how are you going to map what you see on your
> > monitor
> > > > to
> > > > > this print path?
> > > > > Since you have a spectro and the final linerized target already
> > printed,
> > > > I
> > > > > would suggest that you create an QTR RGB ICC profile and use that to
> > soft
> > > > > proof your images in photoshop - with preserve values checked. This
> > gives
> > > > > luminance and "colour" soft proof.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also you can use one of the ICCs in QuadToneRIP/icc to soft proof.
> > This
> > > > will
> > > > > give you approx luminance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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