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Banding (lines) using QTR with 1430

Banding (lines) using QTR with 1430

2012-10-30 by bakerstrten1

Hi

Can anyone diagnose my problem?  Printing on my Epson 1430 using QTR with MIS EB 6 inks results in lines at either end (landscape) of the print.  It appears to me as if the printer has missed printing on some of it's passes.  The problem occurs regardless of whether I use the MIS curve or either of the two 'straight' QTR curves which come with the program.  
I printed the same file with my R800 on QTR without this problem.  Can anyone suggest what is causing the problem?
Thanks
Michael

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Banding (lines) using QTR with 1430

2012-10-30 by Paul Roark

The 1400, and presumably the 1430, as well as some other printers, are
subject to microbanding unless both of their paper transport rollers are
engaged.  You can look at the inside of the printer and see that those
rollers are more than 1 inch apart.  So, leaving wide margins top and
bottom (portrait orientation) of the paper is the most certain cure.  I
often print images that are 7x9 on letter size paper.  That amount of
margin seems to eliminate the problem, though less is often enough.

I've found that the more inks that are firing in the profile, the less the
problem.  So, for example, the 3 MK 1800 setup might hide the problem
better.  It's also printing a rougher image, which tends to hide
microbanding.

Often the Epson driver dither pattern seems to hide the paper transport
defects better than that used by QTR.  So, you might consider testing the
Epson driver with an ICC profile.

Also, with QTR you can make profiles that use more inks/overlaps.  For
example, take half of the inks and put them in a "toner" channel (call them
"toner" inks instead of "gray" inks).  Have the "toner" channel start with
the LM and you'll never notice a smoothness difference, though with most
papers the highlights may be a bit warmer.  When you do this you split the
ink limit between the "gray" and "toner" channels/inks.  Re-linearize, of
course.

While I think the 1.5 picoliter printers are more subject to this problem
than then 3.5 pl  models, I've seen this problem on some of the 3.5 models
also.

I assume the paper choice is also a major factor -- thicker probably being
worst.

In spite of the top/bottom microbanding tendency I find I can successfully
print my glossy cards on 7x10 Red River Polar Pearl Metallic paper with 1/4
inch top margins.  Critical viewing with images where the subject matter is
a totally smooth sky might show some evidence of the defects, but it's
minimal where I use the 2K2LK inkset. In this case QTR does a better job
than the Epson driver because it's using the inks more efficiently.  I
assume the thinner (and maybe smoother back) paper is a factor.

With Eb6, I have not done a study of which profiles & paper do the best job
with respect to this microbanding.  I tend to pick my paper based on other
criteria and simply use the margins that are necessary.  Most often I print
with 2" margins for serious prints, so there is never an issue.  The
problem crops up most when trying to squeeze the most image size out of a
letter size piece of paper.

I find the top is less likely to microband than the bottom.  That is, while
ideally I want both rollers engaged, the first/main paper feed roller seems
to be better than the exit rollers.

These machines are not perfect, but when we know the limitations and how to
work around them, they can be amazing.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com




On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:42 AM, bakerstrten1 <bakerstrt@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi
>
> Can anyone diagnose my problem? Printing on my Epson 1430 using QTR with
> MIS EB 6 inks results in lines at either end (landscape) of the print. It
> appears to me as if the printer has missed printing on some of it's passes.
> The problem occurs regardless of whether I use the MIS curve or either of
> the two 'straight' QTR curves which come with the program.
> I printed the same file with my R800 on QTR without this problem. Can
> anyone suggest what is causing the problem?
> Thanks
> Michael
>
>  
>


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RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Banding (lines) using QTR with 1430

2012-10-30 by m venz

Thanks Paul I have just printed a 5x7 size print on A4 plain (Epson BW inkjet) paper and I couldnt see any problem.  I didnt get this problem using the Epson driver. Michael
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      The 1400, and presumably the 1430, as well as some other printers, are

subject to microbanding unless both of their paper transport rollers are

engaged.  You can look at the inside of the printer and see that those

rollers are more than 1 inch apart.  So, leaving wide margins top and

bottom (portrait orientation) of the paper is the most certain cure.  I

often print images that are 7x9 on letter size paper.  That amount of

margin seems to eliminate the problem, though less is often enough.



I've found that the more inks that are firing in the profile, the less the

problem.  So, for example, the 3 MK 1800 setup might hide the problem

better.  It's also printing a rougher image, which tends to hide

microbanding.



Often the Epson driver dither pattern seems to hide the paper transport

defects better than that used by QTR.  So, you might consider testing the

Epson driver with an ICC profile.



Also, with QTR you can make profiles that use more inks/overlaps.  For

example, take half of the inks and put them in a "toner" channel (call them

"toner" inks instead of "gray" inks).  Have the "toner" channel start with

the LM and you'll never notice a smoothness difference, though with most

papers the highlights may be a bit warmer.  When you do this you split the

ink limit between the "gray" and "toner" channels/inks.  Re-linearize, of

course.



While I think the 1.5 picoliter printers are more subject to this problem

than then 3.5 pl  models, I've seen this problem on some of the 3.5 models

also.



I assume the paper choice is also a major factor -- thicker probably being

worst.



In spite of the top/bottom microbanding tendency I find I can successfully

print my glossy cards on 7x10 Red River Polar Pearl Metallic paper with 1/4

inch top margins.  Critical viewing with images where the subject matter is

a totally smooth sky might show some evidence of the defects, but it's

minimal where I use the 2K2LK inkset. In this case QTR does a better job

than the Epson driver because it's using the inks more efficiently.  I

assume the thinner (and maybe smoother back) paper is a factor.



With Eb6, I have not done a study of which profiles & paper do the best job

with respect to this microbanding.  I tend to pick my paper based on other

criteria and simply use the margins that are necessary.  Most often I print

with 2" margins for serious prints, so there is never an issue.  The

problem crops up most when trying to squeeze the most image size out of a

letter size piece of paper.



I find the top is less likely to microband than the bottom.  That is, while

ideally I want both rollers engaged, the first/main paper feed roller seems

to be better than the exit rollers.



These machines are not perfect, but when we know the limitations and how to

work around them, they can be amazing.



Paul

www.PaulRoark.com



On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:42 AM, bakerstrten1 <bakerstrt@...> wrote:



> **

>

>

> Hi

>

> Can anyone diagnose my problem? Printing on my Epson 1430 using QTR with

> MIS EB 6 inks results in lines at either end (landscape) of the print. It

> appears to me as if the printer has missed printing on some of it's passes.

> The problem occurs regardless of whether I use the MIS curve or either of

> the two 'straight' QTR curves which come with the program.

> I printed the same file with my R800 on QTR without this problem. Can

> anyone suggest what is causing the problem?

> Thanks

> Michael

>

>  

>



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Re: Banding (lines) using QTR with 1430

2012-11-12 by bobtrebor194

Hi Michael,
it seems not every 1400 has this issue. I had problems with these very thin lines and i didn´t get it under control. I bought my 1400 at Amazon. I went to an authorized Epson Dealer & Service Partner and told him my problem. Of course i didn´t tell him about QTR. I also didn´t tell about bw. I just said i have these lines printing my photos.
He took my 1400 and send it to Epson and he told me it will take about three weeks for repair(?) or get a new one. And the surprise: Four(!!!) days later i got a call:"Your new printer is ready to go...".
The service partner told me, that they called Epson and that they send the printer. Epson said ok, and send parallel a new one to the service partner.
Thats really quick and Epson send the new one without seeing my printer.

I dont have these hard problems with the lines anymore. And if i have some lines, i just set up the inklimit. In some hard cases i re-edit the photo to a little bit darker.

But with the first printer i was going mad. I was dreaming about these lines. ;) Horrible...


So, if you have warranty and dont get the lines under control, try to get a new printer. Maybe helps... 

Greetings from Cologne/Germany
Robert

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "bakerstrten1" <bakerstrt@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi
> 
> Can anyone diagnose my problem?  Printing on my Epson 1430 using QTR with MIS EB 6 inks results in lines at either end (landscape) of the print.  It appears to me as if the printer has missed printing on some of it's passes.  The problem occurs regardless of whether I use the MIS curve or either of the two 'straight' QTR curves which come with the program.  
> I printed the same file with my R800 on QTR without this problem.  Can anyone suggest what is causing the problem?
> Thanks
> Michael
>

RE: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Banding (lines) using QTR with 1430

2012-11-12 by m venz

Hi Robert Thanks for the suggestion
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:51:35 +0000
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      Hi Michael,

it seems not every 1400 has this issue. I had problems with these very thin lines and i didn�t get it under control. I bought my 1400 at Amazon. I went to an authorized Epson Dealer & Service Partner and told him my problem. Of course i didn�t tell him about QTR. I also didn�t tell about bw. I just said i have these lines printing my photos.

He took my 1400 and send it to Epson and he told me it will take about three weeks for repair(?) or get a new one. And the surprise: Four(!!!) days later i got a call:"Your new printer is ready to go...".

The service partner told me, that they called Epson and that they send the printer. Epson said ok, and send parallel a new one to the service partner.

Thats really quick and Epson send the new one without seeing my printer.



I dont have these hard problems with the lines anymore. And if i have some lines, i just set up the inklimit. In some hard cases i re-edit the photo to a little bit darker.



But with the first printer i was going mad. I was dreaming about these lines. ;) Horrible...



So, if you have warranty and dont get the lines under control, try to get a new printer. Maybe helps... 



Greetings from Cologne/Germany

Robert



--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "bakerstrten1" <bakerstrt@...> wrote:

>

> Hi

> 

> Can anyone diagnose my problem?  Printing on my Epson 1430 using QTR with MIS EB 6 inks results in lines at either end (landscape) of the print.  It appears to me as if the printer has missed printing on some of it's passes.  The problem occurs regardless of whether I use the MIS curve or either of the two 'straight' QTR curves which come with the program.  

> I printed the same file with my R800 on QTR without this problem.  Can anyone suggest what is causing the problem?

> Thanks

> Michael

>





    
     

    
    






   		 	   		  

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