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LK and LLK used in color printing with Epson 7800?

LK and LLK used in color printing with Epson 7800?

2014-12-24 by sanking@...

I would like to know if the LK and LLK inks are used in making color prints with the Epson 7800, when printing with the Epson driver and ICC profiles?


What I would like to do is put darker shades of black (like Epson PK or Cone Opaque Black) in the LK and LLK slots to give more UV blocking inks in the printer for a QTR profile for making digital negatives, but hesitate to make this change if it makes printing in color impossible.


Sandy



Re: [QuadtoneRIP] LK and LLK used in color printing with Epson 7800?

2014-12-24 by Paul Roark

My understanding is that the LK and LLK are used by the Epson driver in color printing where the print color is relatively neutral. In fact, that is probably the main reason they are there -- not B&W printing.

Paul
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On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:06 PM, sanking@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I would like to know if the LK and LLK inks are used in making color prints with the Epson 7800, when printing with the Epson driver and ICC profiles?


What I would like to do is put darker shades of black (like Epson PK or Cone Opaque Black) in the LK and LLK slots to give more UV blocking inks in the printer for a QTR profile for making digital negatives, but hesitate to make this change if it makes printing in color impossible.


Sandy




Re: [QuadtoneRIP] LK and LLK used in color printing with Epson 7800?

2014-12-24 by Roy Harrington

I'd have to agree with Paul. In general to use epson driver all the inks have
to be very similar at least in density for all the crossovers to work.

Roy
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On Wednesday, December 24, 2014, Paul Roark roark.paul@gmail.com [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


My understanding is that the LK and LLK are used by the Epson driver in color printing where the print color is relatively neutral. In fact, that is probably the main reason they are there -- not B&W printing.

Paul

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:06 PM, sanking@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I would like to know if the LK and LLK inks are used in making color prints with the Epson 7800, when printing with the Epson driver and ICC profiles?


What I would like to do is put darker shades of black (like Epson PK or Cone Opaque Black) in the LK and LLK slots to give more UV blocking inks in the printer for a QTR profile for making digital negatives, but hesitate to make this change if it makes printing in color impossible.


Sandy








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Re: [QuadtoneRIP] LK and LLK used in color printing with Epson 7800?

2014-12-24 by Myron Gochnauer

My understanding is that the LK and LLK are used by the Epson driver in color printing where the print color is relatively neutral.

My understanding - - and perception! - - of color is deficient, to say the least, but I thought that “adding black” was one way of manipulating the “pure” colors (hues?). I know that adding neutral grey to too-bright yellow, for instance, results in more subdued, but equally yellow, yellow. . . if that makes sense.

Myron

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] LK and LLK used in color printing with Epson 7800?

2014-12-24 by sanking@...

Thanks to all for the comments re: my question about the use of LK and LLK in printing in color with the Epson driver. Sounds like the ink substitutions suggested would not be feasible if I hope to continue to use the device to print color.

Sandy

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] LK and LLK used in color printing with Epson 7800?

2014-12-24 by David Kachel

I would like to know if the LK and LLK inks are used in making color prints with the Epson 7800, when printing with the Epson driver and ICC profiles?


What I would like to do is put darker shades of black (like Epson PK or Cone Opaque Black) in the LK and LLK slots to give more UV blocking inks in the printer for a QTR profile for making digital negatives, but hesitate to make this change if it makes printing in color impossible.


Sandy,

A couple of weeks ago my 3880 suddenly quit using all three black inks. I make very brown monochrome prints, but do not use ABW. Theoretically, with the black inks out of the picture, I should have seen nothing but magenta and yellow in the resulting print. Not the case. To my great surprise there was a very heavy deposit of cyan plainly visible in the darker parts of the resultant image. I would never have known all that cyan was getting laid down in brown prints, if the blacks had not all stopped working at once. Whatever math Epson is using, it apparently includes all the inks, all of the time.

(No wonder neutral gray B&W didn\u2019t work very well before ABW.)

I don\u2019t know for sure, but I feel very confident making the guess that LK and LLK are used in all color prints.


David Kachel

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Re: LK and LLK used in color printing with Epson 7800?

2014-12-24 by richard@...

I am pretty sure I am remembering this correctly: The Epson light light black ink incorporates a gloss optimizer and is designed to cover the entire print area. You might notice that there is a slight difference if you print pure white on larger sheet of paper (feed a larger paper than is set in the driver settings)

I've been printing lots of big color prints with light backgrounds and use almost twice as much light light black than any of the other colors.

I think if there is any chance of wanting to make color prints to stick with the OEM inks and use a dedicated black and white printer for messing with additional inks in different slots.

Richard Boutwell

Re: LK and LLK used in color printing with Epson 7800?

2014-12-27 by tyler@...

just want to confirm the point that all 3 K Epson inks are used in color printing. "grey component replacement" utilized when turning your RGB numbers into vaible data to drive each ink tank utilizes all 3 to varying degrees up the neutral axis and in fact in many of the less than saturated colors. This improves metamerism problems, ink load, neutrality, and of course dmax. As mentioned the LLK seems to have a lot of the GO in it as well. Color performance would change dramatically if replaced with different densities.

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