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QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

Re: QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

2015-10-02 by clay@...

Bill, I upgraded to El Capitan on a laptop that had an existing installation of QTR on it and the printing went off without a hitch. However, when I tried to install a slightly fresher version (2.7.6 instead of 2.7.5) I got a scary message about possibly damaging my system. So I didn't do the upgrade. Because the existing 2.7.5 works just fine, I suspect there is some sort of 'phone home' check that the El Capitan OS is doing to find if QTR is on some Apple sanctioned list. But I don't really know.

All I know is that already existing installations of QTR work just fine on El Capitan.

Re: QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

2015-10-02 by ssimoncini@...

Hello. I did not install el capitan yet, but I think it's worth spending a couple of word about those "scary" messages popping up.

Apple plays the role of the big brother for us all. They want you to use their system, but at the same time they want you to avoid using it the way you want, and especially, using stuff they don't make money on.

For example, if you have an iphone or Ipad, and you turn off IMessage and Facetime and Icloud, anytime you upgrade the IOs, they automatically turn themselves on no matter what. Or, if you just want to copy your media files from the Iphone, you just HAVE to use ITunes. I was an enthuastic apple user, but their way to mess with my user experience has pissed me off long ago.

As long as you download "certified" apps from the appstore, you're free to go. Everytime you try to install something different from an independent developer, they try to scare you saying "hey, we don't take responsibility for what you're doing".. and the scary message appears.

The fact is, they do not take responsibility for anything, period. Does anyone really think they "certify" the hundreds of thousands of apps available on the app store? They have automated censorship filters, maybe, avoiding offensive topics to be included in the appstore, but it's very unrealistic that they do any testing at all. they just want to push the user to buy apps from the store, that's all. Most users just comply, not having either the expertise nor the time to experiment.

I am pretty sure that should 2.7.6 will work on El Capitan if does work on Yosemite, and in case it does not, there's very little chance that the system will be affected.

A different approach must come to mind if one installs pirated apps, widely available on the net. In that case, the user opens his/her system to an unknown individual who has been tampering with the original code and the risk of letting someone inject malicious code into your system is quite high, but I guess this is quite obvious to anyone, and in this case the expertise that is necessary to understand whether malicious code is present is not commonly present in the general public as it requires hackers' skills and a thourough understanding of the Unix core OSX is based on (Darwin).

QTR is just an independently developed application which works flawlessly in almost all cases and the integrations with the system is just great. I wish it could be developed to work as a RIP for colour applications as well, that'd be a real dream!.

Good printing to everyone!
S.

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

2015-10-02 by Bill Vaccaro

Thanks a bunch, Clay! btw, I used your workflow to create a new curve for my Ziatype process along with David Isenlord's curve generation script. Worked like a charm. Still have to do a little tweaking but it sure takes the sting out of creating curves.
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> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:25 AM, clay@clayharmon.net [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Bill, I upgraded to El Capitan on a laptop that had an existing installation of QTR on it and the printing went off without a hitch. However, when I tried to install a slightly fresher version (2.7.6 instead of 2.7.5) I got a scary message about possibly damaging my system. So I didn't do the upgrade. Because the existing 2.7.5 works just fine, I suspect there is some sort of 'phone home' check that the El Capitan OS is doing to find if QTR is on some Apple sanctioned list. But I don't really know. 
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> All I know is that already existing installations of QTR work just fine on El Capitan.
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Re: QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

2015-10-02 by brian_downunda@...



+100. Very, very very well said!

---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, <ssimoncini@...> wrote :

Hello. I did not install el capitan yet, but I think it's worth spending a couple of word about those "scary" messages popping up.

Re: QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

2015-10-03 by norm@...

I attempted to install under El Capitan (just purchased QTR). Ignored the warnings just to see if it would go anyway. Got a popup "Installation Failed".

Re: QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

2015-10-03 by norm@...

Update on my previous post about "Installation Failed". It looks like I have a folder "QuadToneRIP" in "Applications". Need to study the tutorial and README to figure out the next steps in the install.

Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

2015-10-03 by Roy Harrington

Update on El Capitan

It appears El Capitan has some new security measures that cause some trouble.
Installation of QTR and printers does not work at the moment. However it does
appear that if you had a QTR printer already on a previous version it is preserved
when updating the OS X. (strangely earlier upgrades did not preserve it).
So good news is that the driver will work but right now you can't install a new one.
I expect to be able to get around this but will need to wait till the end of the month
for me to be home and working on it.

Roy

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On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:49 AM, brian_downunda@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




+100. Very, very very well said!

---In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hello. I did not install el capitan yet, but I think it's worth spending a couple of word about those "scary" messages popping up.






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Re: QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

2015-10-04 by Allan Greenier

For the record I installed QTR on Yosemite, now I’m on El Capitan.
There are no files named qtr*** in my usr folder, nor any folders obviously put there by qtr.



Re: [QuadtoneRIP] QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

2015-10-04 by Myron Gochnauer

I’m just looking inside the QTRIP2.7.6 package. Archive.pax contains content for three locations:

Applications/QuadToneRIP/

Library/Printers/QTR/

/usr/share/cups/model/C/

That third location lists 55 files with names like "Quad3880.ppd.gz”. The names sound appropriately QTR-ish, but the location is anything but obvious!

Of course, I have no idea how any of this works under the hood. :-)

Myron


On Oct 3, 2015, at 9:59 PM, Allan Greenier greenier.allan@gmail.com [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

For the record I installed QTR on Yosemite, now I’m on El Capitan.

There are no files named qtr*** in my usr folder, nor any folders obviously put there by qtr.





Re: [QuadtoneRIP] QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

2015-10-04 by Roy Harrington

You are both right.

/usr/share/cups/model is the location that has in the past been where ppd files were found.
It is no longer possible to install there which is the problem.
Once a printer is created though a copy is in /etc/cups/ppd - this is preserved on upgrade
to el cap so existing printers still work.

QTR driver will need to use a new place.

Roy

On Sunday, October 4, 2015, Allan Greenier greenier.allan@gmail.com [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Interesting. I have nothing in my /usr/share/cups/model folder








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Re: QTR and Mac OS X El Capitan

2015-10-08 by ctb@...

El Capitan has a new feature called SIP (system integrity protection). Simply said SIP prevents applications/users to write to certain directories owned by the root user as an extra system security. El Capitan also prevents user to log in as "root".

SIP can be disabled though. You can find instructions here: How to Disable System Integrity Protection (rootless) in OS X El Capitan

A possible temporary workaround for installing QTR or new profiles might be disabling SIP as explained in the article. When QTR and profiles are installed SIP can be enabled again because all seams to work with SIP enabled.

I have not yet upgraded to 10.11 so I have not tested this workaround.

Kees



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